Re: Did my first injection tonight

[Guest guest]

Daveid, Great!

I am currently in the process of getting a prescription for self

administration. I'm glad to hear it " was a piece of cake. "

What tips did you have/download?

Gettin Older

>

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I am interested. I just did my first injection with the same size needle.

Or my wife did it. What size is recommended to be on the safe side?

Thanks

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Subject: Re: Did my first injection tonight

Daveid, Great!

I am currently in the process of getting a prescription for self

administration. I'm glad to hear it " was a piece of cake. "

What tips did you have/download?

Gettin Older

>

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Dave,

I have been using the same size needle for a couple years and no problem.

Doing it myself right in the butt. Actually, it hurt more when my wife did

it vs when I do it myself. Hmmmm.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the testosterone is not

meant for placement in a vein.

I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

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[Guest guest]

I would suggest you consider a smaller needle. Depending on your fat content and

the volume of T you inject - many of us who use more frequent shots (every 7

days or 2 times every 7 days) have gone to 25g needles and shorter - like 5/8 " .

These are relatively painless and do just as well. If however you are

overweight, you may need to use a longer needle to get to the muscle.

I rotate using both thighs and both butt cheeks. I rotate to the next one on

each shot. For me the left butt cheek is the hardest but with a little practice

- its no problem.

Arkansas

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Dave,

I have been using the same size needle for a couple years and no problem. Doing

it myself right in the butt. Actually, it hurt more when my wife did it vs when

I do it myself. Hmmmm.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a piece of

cake. Didn't feel a thing.

You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the testosterone is not

meant for placement in a vein.

I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I think you'll find a lot of people here use a smaller needle... 25g

seems the most common... only downside is it takes longer to fill the

syringe... and many inject in the thigh instead of the butt (just

easier to reach) and use 1 " needles.

I'm a 25g 1 " needle guy myself. though I started with 1.5 " ... you just

don't have as much flesh on your leg as in your glute...

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle.

It was a piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

> ---------------------------------

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Search.

>

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[Guest guest]

If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull back on

the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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[Guest guest]

I do it in front of a mirror - I insert the needle with my right hand, then hold

the base of the needle with my left and pull the plunger back with my right -

never have seen blood in the butt cheek. Doing the left side is more of a

challenge - there I actually stab with my left and reverse everything.

Arkansas

jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull back on

the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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[Guest guest]

I use a 1.5 inch needle, stick straight into my mid-thigh, and have never

worried about hitting a blood vessel. I've never had a problem and it's

relatively painless - but should I be worried about hitting a blood vessel? I'm

a bit scared to " pull back " before I inject - it seems like you'd be sucking

SOMETHING in, if not blood...

Also, why do you guys inject in the buttocks? Is it because it hurts less, or

some other reason? It seems like it'd be more difficult to hit muscle there

since there is so much more fat. I'm a skinny, guy, too - am I overdoing it by

using a 1.5 inch needle in my thigh?

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I do

it in front of a mirror - I insert the needle with my right hand, then hold the

base of the needle with my left and pull the plunger back with my right - never

have seen blood in the butt cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge -

there I actually stab with my left and reverse everything.

Arkansas

jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull back on

the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

> ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Hey Ben - I am relatively thin also 5'8 " and 160#. I inject in the butt for 2

reasons. One it allows for more locations so your rotation is longer allowing

the area to heal and two, it is much less painful for me. I have bled from my

thighs after a stick several times but very seldom from the butt. Yes you need

to test for vein puncture when you shoot with any size needle. I use a 25 g and

5/8th inch long needle with little to no pain or problems.

Arkansas

Ben <btcarter777@...> wrote:

I use a 1.5 inch needle, stick straight into my mid-thigh, and have

never worried about hitting a blood vessel. I've never had a problem and it's

relatively painless - but should I be worried about hitting a blood vessel? I'm

a bit scared to " pull back " before I inject - it seems like you'd be sucking

SOMETHING in, if not blood...

Also, why do you guys inject in the buttocks? Is it because it hurts less, or

some other reason? It seems like it'd be more difficult to hit muscle there

since there is so much more fat. I'm a skinny, guy, too - am I overdoing it by

using a 1.5 inch needle in my thigh?

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I do it in front of a mirror - I

insert the needle with my right hand, then hold the base of the needle with my

left and pull the plunger back with my right - never have seen blood in the butt

cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge - there I actually stab with

my left and reverse everything.

Arkansas

jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull back on

the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

> ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

I saw an air bubble begin to form as an indication I didn't hit a vein. I only

drew back a little.

Ben <btcarter777@...> wrote: I use a 1.5 inch needle,

stick straight into my mid-thigh, and have never worried about hitting a blood

vessel. I've never had a problem and it's relatively painless - but should I be

worried about hitting a blood vessel? I'm a bit scared to " pull back " before I

inject - it seems like you'd be sucking SOMETHING in, if not blood...

Also, why do you guys inject in the buttocks? Is it because it hurts less, or

some other reason? It seems like it'd be more difficult to hit muscle there

since there is so much more fat. I'm a skinny, guy, too - am I overdoing it by

using a 1.5 inch needle in my thigh?

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I do it in front of a mirror - I

insert the needle with my right hand, then hold the base of the needle with my

left and pull the plunger back with my right - never have seen blood in the butt

cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge - there I actually stab with

my left and reverse everything.

Arkansas

jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull back on

the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

> ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

This is normal - you are essentially drawing a vacuum on the syringe which will

result in the formation of the gases in the solution. Once you release the

vacuum, the bubbles should go away.

The only thing you have to worry about is if you see blood come into the

syringe - you do not want to inject the oil based testosterone directly into you

circulatory system. It won't kill you but you will exhaust your T supply very

quickly.

Arkansas

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote:

I saw an air bubble begin to form as an indication I didn't hit a

vein. I only drew back a little.

Ben <btcarter777@...> wrote: I use a 1.5 inch needle, stick

straight into my mid-thigh, and have never worried about hitting a blood vessel.

I've never had a problem and it's relatively painless - but should I be worried

about hitting a blood vessel? I'm a bit scared to " pull back " before I inject -

it seems like you'd be sucking SOMETHING in, if not blood...

Also, why do you guys inject in the buttocks? Is it because it hurts less, or

some other reason? It seems like it'd be more difficult to hit muscle there

since there is so much more fat. I'm a skinny, guy, too - am I overdoing it by

using a 1.5 inch needle in my thigh?

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I do it in front of a mirror - I

insert the needle with my right hand, then hold the base of the needle with my

left and pull the plunger back with my right - never have seen blood in the butt

cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge - there I actually stab with

my left and reverse everything.

Arkansas

jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull back on

the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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[Guest guest]

Besides being a nice large chunk of muscle to inject into, isn't one

of the reasons the butt is used is because there are no veins to

inject into?

On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote:

> I do it in front of a mirror - I insert the needle with my right

> hand, then hold the base of the needle with my left and pull the

> plunger back with my right - never have seen blood in the butt

> cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge - there I actually

> stab with my left and reverse everything.

>

> Arkansas

>

> jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

> If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull

> back on

> the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

>

>

>> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

> piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>>

>> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

> testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>>

>> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>>

>> ---------------------------------

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> Search.

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[Guest guest]

Thats all you need if your in a vain you would see red fast.

Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: I saw an air

bubble begin to form as an indication I didn't hit a vein. I only drew back a

little.

Ben <btcarter777@...> wrote: I use a 1.5 inch needle, stick

straight into my mid-thigh, and have never worried about hitting a blood vessel.

I've never had a problem and it's relatively painless - but should I be worried

about hitting a blood vessel? I'm a bit scared to " pull back " before I inject -

it seems like you'd be sucking SOMETHING in, if not blood...

Also, why do you guys inject in the buttocks? Is it because it hurts less, or

some other reason? It seems like it'd be more difficult to hit muscle there

since there is so much more fat. I'm a skinny, guy, too - am I overdoing it by

using a 1.5 inch needle in my thigh?

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I do it in front of a mirror - I

insert the needle with my right hand, then hold the base of the needle with my

left and pull the plunger back with my right - never have seen blood in the butt

cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge - there I actually stab with

my left and reverse everything.

Arkansas

jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull back on

the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>

> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>

> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>

> ---------------------------------

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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>

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[Guest guest]

How do you know you are in muscle though? What happens if you just inject into

just...fat? I mean, I'm VERY skinny but my butt is probably the place on my body

with the most fat.

Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: Besides being a

nice large chunk of muscle to inject into, isn't one

of the reasons the butt is used is because there are no veins to

inject into?

On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote:

> I do it in front of a mirror - I insert the needle with my right

> hand, then hold the base of the needle with my left and pull the

> plunger back with my right - never have seen blood in the butt

> cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge - there I actually

> stab with my left and reverse everything.

>

> Arkansas

>

> jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

> If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull

> back on

> the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

>

>

>> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

> piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>>

>> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

> testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>>

>> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> Search.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Guess I just figure with a 1 1/2 inch needle it's in a muscle. Anyone doing T

injections sub q? The directions on the bottle say im but my doctor does his

subq and feels this slows the conversion to E. Anyone haive info on this?

Ben <btcarter777@...> wrote: How do you know you are in

muscle though? What happens if you just inject into just...fat? I mean, I'm VERY

skinny but my butt is probably the place on my body with the most fat.

Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: Besides being a nice large chunk of muscle to

inject into, isn't one

of the reasons the butt is used is because there are no veins to

inject into?

On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote:

> I do it in front of a mirror - I insert the needle with my right

> hand, then hold the base of the needle with my left and pull the

> plunger back with my right - never have seen blood in the butt

> cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge - there I actually

> stab with my left and reverse everything.

>

> Arkansas

>

> jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

> If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull

> back on

> the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

>

>

>> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

> piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>>

>> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

> testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>>

>> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> Search.

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[Guest guest]

Hi a lot of men have posted this about doing shots in to the ground. Dr.

Shippen " The Testosterone Syndrome " was down on shots now he dose his every 3

days shooting 70mgs div. in half doing 35mgs on one side of his belly and the

other 35mgs on the other side each 3rd. day. He feels this keeps him more

leveled and it is keeping the E2 down. Here is a copy of a study.

=======================================================

STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED

WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE

INJECTIONS

M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang

Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,

Hamilton, ON, Canada

Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement

has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide

variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous

(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,

its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated

the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using

SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and

September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving

10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.

Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for

41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with

testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL

200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior

abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated

to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.

Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration

is not officially approved by Health Canada. T

levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection

during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection

in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels

were measured however; the week 12 data are still being

collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T

was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit

0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During

the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in

pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l

(p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T

(25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1

(27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with

no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection

of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and

stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers

fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of

medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term

clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further

evaluation.

Brown <kidsxx5@...> wrote:

Guess I just figure with a 1 1/2 inch needle it's in a muscle. Anyone

doing T injections sub q? The directions on the bottle say im but my doctor does

his subq and feels this slows the conversion to E. Anyone haive info on this?

Ben <btcarter777@...> wrote: How do you know you are in muscle

though? What happens if you just inject into just...fat? I mean, I'm VERY skinny

but my butt is probably the place on my body with the most fat.

Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: Besides being a nice large chunk of muscle to

inject into, isn't one

of the reasons the butt is used is because there are no veins to

inject into?

On Jan 18, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Dan Meatheany wrote:

> I do it in front of a mirror - I insert the needle with my right

> hand, then hold the base of the needle with my left and pull the

> plunger back with my right - never have seen blood in the butt

> cheek. Doing the left side is more of a challenge - there I actually

> stab with my left and reverse everything.

>

> Arkansas

>

> jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote:

> If you give yourself the shot in the butt, how do you pull

> back on

> the plunger to check for blood? Or is that even necessary. " "

>

>

>> I just did my first injection with a 1 1/2 " 22 GA needle. It was a

> piece of cake. Didn't feel a thing.

>>

>> You do have to be careful and pay attention. The oil in the

> testosterone is not meant for placement in a vein.

>>

>> I downloaded some tips for those who are interested.

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> Search.

>>

>>