Re: Almost time for lour journey

September 27, 2008

Hi,

I'm not Phil, but I might be able to field a few of these for you:

> Someone asked me when I posted lats time,wether I had his lab results?

> I dont sorry. They dont give you those here, but the Dr said his Free

> T level in January this year were 180 and went on the T pill for his

> low level.s in June after using the Provirion T pill one a day, its

> dropped down further to being that of being only 80(yes 80!) in June 6

> months after starting out on the TRT pill.

Proviron is basically DHT with an extra methyl group at C17. As such,

it will provide negative feedback to the pituitary and help to shut

down the HPTA. DHT and its derivatives are about 4 times as

androgenic as testosterone, but this may not be enough to compensate

for the loss of endogenous T. If this had been coadministered

with clomid, the results would have been much more satisfactory.

> 1. The Dr will obviously do the routine T levels thing which includes

> the LSH and FSH(I remember this were part of the blood test he did

> last time) Are there ANY additional blood tests or ones we shoudl ask

> them to do as well?

T, Free T, SHBG, LH, FSH, DHT, PSA and estradiol are the main ones.

Estrone, progesterone and many of the metabolites can be usefull

as well, but they are more for troubleshooting other problems.

> 2. I read (if I understand this correctly) that once a man goes on the

> T injections(which we are planning hubby to go on) it will shrink his

> testicles over time? OMG I don't think he will like this idea.I guess

> no man would probably want that to happen. So thats why the HCG thing

> comes in then to counteract this from happening ...am I correct?

If fertility is not a major concern, a cheaper way to go is Clomid.

Clomid is an SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modifier). It works

by blocking the negative feedback signal at the pituitary, so LH levels

are not lowered. HCG is more expensive and more effective. It also

raises FSH which induces spermatogenesis. Many men are on HCG and

Clomid.

> Also , in lay terms what is HCG please...can you tell me and also give

> me the practical side of this...is it expensive,really working and If

> he takes this , can he inject himself with it? Hubby is scared of

> needles and Its already a prospect that he only now are starting to

> accept since wanting a decent sex life means more to him than the

> short lived discomfort of needles. SZo yes, I think he will end up

> some day injecting himself . Untill then, there are some decent Dr's

> working in the army camps in Afghanistan that can assist.

>

HCG is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin. It is actually the chemical

that we test for to confirm pregnancy. Simply put, it tricks the

pituitary into secreting LH and FSH. LH, Leutenizing Hormone,

causes the Ledig cells in the testicles to produce testosterone. In

females, it induces ovulation. FSH, Follicle Stimulating Hormone,

causes the Sertoli cells in the testes to make sperm. It signals

the ovaries to bring 1 or more immature eggs to maturity.

Both LH & FSH will make the testicles swell and become more

sensitive, but FSH will result in a larger volume as it increases

the volume of seminal fluid.

3. We tried to get his T levels checked whilst his over there, but

> first they lost the blood sample , then it expired before they could

> send it of, then they said it cant be done because blood only lasts 72

> hours and you gotta have it checked within that window frame period,

> and blah-blah..still 4 months later and no results on this. Anyway,

> he'll be here in 2 weeks and I sincerely wish only the best for him

> with a proper specialist and the right blood tests that has to be

> done.Please let me know if you think he needs particular tests to

> check it all ok? Q: Does having sex or masturbation for that matter

> have an influence on the T results of a blood tests?

> Reasons Im asking is this.I was thinking that if hubby could manage a

> hand job a day or so before being home,he might be able to last longer

> when we finally make love after 4 months of not beeing with each

> other. ..however...if this could to influence his blood results,

> perhaps its not a good idea? Let me know...pls?

As for longevity, conservation of fluids and bringing it to the brink

of orgasm and backing off, repeatedly, and doing kegel exercises

will do a lot more for him that just having a quick wank every day.

Of course even that is better than total inactivity.

Serum levels of testosterone do drop after ejaculation, and oxytocin

and prolactin rise. This is what causes the refractory period. You

may want to have a discrete liaison before testing to prevent him

from going in for testing with artificially high T levels.

Congratulations on having your sweetie come home, and tell him

thanks for his efforts in Afghanistan. I for one really appreciate it.

Obligatory disclaimer... This is not medical advice. Please seek

proper medical supervision before attempting any program of treatment.

Good luck, good health and good sex!

-Mike

>

> Hi guys,

> me again with a womans propsective or ignorance rather:-)

> Sorry its been a while since I'v posted and I'v so,so much apreciated

> all you that replied with input back then.

> Hubby is going to be home in 2 weeks time, and I am quite excited and

> anxious at the same time with the T journey that lies ahead of us.

>

> Someone asked me when I posted lats time,wether I had his lab results?

> I dont sorry. They dont give you those here, but the Dr said his Free

> T level in January this year were 180 and went on the T pill for his

> low level.s in June after using the Provirion T pill one a day, its

> dropped down further to being that of being only 80(yes 80!) in June 6

> months after starting out on the TRT pill.

>

> At the time when I wrote to y'all, I had NO idea what Testosterone

> was, or even how it all worked, and had to read up a lot of medical

> terminologies etc(which I admit, is still a jungle to try and figure

> all out at this point)

>

> What Ive learned here by simply reading all the posts here,far

> outweigh what I could read and really understand from other sites.

> So I am most grateful for you guys's input and deeply sympathize with

> everyone of your struggles.

>

> I have no idea what my husband's other levels accept for his free T

> levels are, so its rather difficult to know what its gotta be or not.

>

> But sure, he will be home soon for 3 weeks and then we will start out

> on our adventure with proper treatment for him.

>

> I made an apointment with the local Urologist here for the day hubby

> will arive home. I'm picking him up at the airport at noon and want to

> have his bloodwork done before anything else or even driving home as

> our GP wanted for him to have done. My questions about stuff begins

> with this moment.

>