Re: Testo Types

[Guest guest]

Here is a link that shows all the types of TRT it's a site for women becoming

men but still it's full of good info.

http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html#cypionate

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Testo Types

>

> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:07 PM

> I see there are three types of Testo

> injections. I just started and was given T-Cyp 200mg , once

> a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular

> one and why? Anyone?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh my, that site was an eye-opener. Thanks for the info.

How soon after my very first shot can I expect to feel the difference/?

>

> > From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> > Subject: Testo Types

> >

> > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:07 PM

> > I see there are three types of Testo

> > injections. I just started and was given T-Cyp 200mg , once

> > a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular

> > one and why? Anyone?

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In 3 to 4 days your levels will peak and you should feel something I lost a lot

of pain in my joints and muscles. Most feel better once they get there levels

up onto the Upper 1/3 of there labs range and keep there Estradiol E2 levels

down to about 20 pg/ml doing this your body will start to undo the damage done

by the low Testosterone and you start to feel better a little at a time

everyday. It's not an over night process for most of us it takes time.

In this link you will learn all about what I just said it's a good read.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Testo Types

>

> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 11:48 AM

> Oh my, that site was an eye-opener.

> Thanks for the info.

> How soon after my very first shot can I expect to feel the

> difference/?

>

>

> >

> > > From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> > > Subject: Testo Types

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:07 PM

> > > I see there are three types of Testo

> > > injections. I just started and was given T-Cyp

> 200mg , once

> > > a week. What's the difference and what's the most

> popular

> > > one and why? Anyone?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:07:03 -0000, you wrote:

>I see there are three types of Testo injections. I just started and was given

T-Cyp 200mg , once a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular one

and why? Anyone?

That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a week.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil. Did you ever consider creating your own website? You seem to be

*the* most knowledgeable person on this subject, with access to abundant

resources. You must be tired of people like me

who just 2 weeks ago found out about Low-T and ask the same newbie questions!

There's so much help in these threads.

One thing I see over and over again is the twisted journey (myself included)

many men have taken to find the problem and identify a doctor. Perhaps there's a

way to start to compile a list of TRT friendly doctors?

> > >

> > > > From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> > > > Subject: Testo Types

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:07 PM

> > > > I see there are three types of Testo

> > > > injections. I just started and was given T-Cyp

> > 200mg , once

> > > > a week. What's the difference and what's the most

> > popular

> > > > one and why? Anyone?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

My TOTAL, not Bio-available was 157 the second time it was checked,(Urologist)

191 the first time it was checked (Family Doc).

>

> >I see there are three types of Testo injections. I just started and was given

T-Cyp 200mg , once a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular one

and why? Anyone?

>

>

> That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a week.

>

[Guest guest]

No I am happy here even if I repeat my self a lot this site saved my life and I

feel good about being here and helping men not to have to go though the crap I

did here is a link to my story and an update. I post at a lot of sites but this

is home for me.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Testo Types

>

> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 1:01 PM

> Thanks Phil. Did you ever consider

> creating your own website? You seem to be *the* most

> knowledgeable person on this subject, with access to

> abundant resources. You must be tired of people like me

> who just 2 weeks ago found out about Low-T and ask the same

> newbie questions!

>

> There's so much help in these threads.

>

> One thing I see over and over again is the twisted journey

> (myself included) many men have taken to find the problem

> and identify a doctor. Perhaps there's a way to start to

> compile a list of TRT friendly doctors?

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> > > > > Subject: Testo Types

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:07

> PM

> > > > > I see there are three types of Testo

> > > > > injections. I just started and was

> given T-Cyp

> > > 200mg , once

> > > > > a week. What's the difference and

> what's the most

> > > popular

> > > > > one and why? Anyone?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

That is some story. My symptoms aren't as dramatic, but thats pretty much it. My

doc been treating ALL of my symptoms OF low T. When he added another pill to the

5 I was taking to treat my high colostorol, I said thats it. Another damn pill

and I'm only 50 yrs old? TEST EVERYTHING, I mean E.V.E.R.T.H.I.N.G. Found the

low T.

My mother had her thyroid removed (I think it was a growth) and has been taking

Synthoid for over 20 years. Can thyroid issues be inherited? What's the

relationship between Low-Thy and Low-Tes ?

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> > > > > > Subject: Testo Types

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:07

> > PM

> > > > > > I see there are three types of Testo

> > > > > > injections. I just started and was

> > given T-Cyp

> > > > 200mg , once

> > > > > > a week. What's the difference and

> > what's the most

> > > > popular

> > > > > > one and why? Anyone?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I don't know if it can be inherited but I know most people don't do good on just

Synthroid most of the people I talk to that have a thyroid problem never did

good until they went on Armour Thyroid meds this is made by the Armour Ham Co.

it's Pig glands been use for over 100 yrs. works the best for most my self and

my wife do better on armour.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Testo Types

>

> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 1:46 PM

> That is some story. My symptoms

> aren't as dramatic, but thats pretty much it. My doc been

> treating ALL of my symptoms OF low T. When he added another

> pill to the 5 I was taking to treat my high colostorol, I

> said thats it. Another damn pill and I'm only 50 yrs old?

> TEST EVERYTHING, I mean E.V.E.R.T.H.I.N.G. Found the low T.

>

> My mother had her thyroid removed (I think it was a growth)

> and has been taking Synthoid for over 20 years. Can thyroid

> issues be inherited? What's the relationship between Low-Thy

> and Low-Tes ?

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> > > > > > > Subject: Testo

> Types

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, August 6,

> 2009, 10:07

> > > PM

> > > > > > > I see there are three types

> of Testo

> > > > > > > injections. I just started

> and was

> > > given T-Cyp

> > > > > 200mg , once

> > > > > > > a week. What's the difference

> and

> > > what's the most

> > > > > popular

> > > > > > > one and why? Anyone?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

RetroGrouch

Some will tell you that is a lot of Testosterone. I take twice the amount you

do. So... Keep in mind... your body is different from everyone else's.

They take what is right for them... you must take what is right for you. Don't

let anyone try to put you into a category of " normal " or " not normal " .

Keep doing what is right for YOU and no one else. That said... this is a good

place for information. But your TRT program is for YOU... and only YOU. Based

on Your Labs.

Re: Testo Types

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:07:03 -0000, you wrote:

>I see there are three types of Testo injections. I just started and was given

T-Cyp 200mg , once a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular one

and why? Anyone?

That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a week.

[Guest guest]

We all have to remember this Group is for educated guesses and information. The

final decisions should all be made along with your doctor. We can all say what

we do but everyone is different. There are currently accepted standards we judge

everyone by. These standard usually need some personal tweaking.

As an example, I am a fast metabolizer and only get to 500-600ng/dl with 200mg

of TC a week. This test value goes up and down but I have seen this range a

couple of times.

I believe everyone will do best if the information is presented for use as

discussion topics with ones doctor.

________________________________

From: Xcaliber <xcaliber69@...>

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 5:45:42 PM

Subject: Re: Testo Types

 

RetroGrouch

Some will tell you that is a lot of Testosterone. I take twice the amount you

do. So... Keep in mind... your body is different from everyone else's.

They take what is right for them... you must take what is right for you. Don't

let anyone try to put you into a category of " normal " or " not normal " .

Keep doing what is right for YOU and no one else. That said... this is a good

place for information. But your TRT program is for YOU... and only YOU. Based on

Your Labs.

Re: Testo Types

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:07:03 -0000, you wrote:

>I see there are three types of Testo injections. I just started and was given

T-Cyp 200mg , once a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular one

and why? Anyone?

That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a week.

[Guest guest]

Yes your right and I try to say this most of the time but it's a given. We both

are fast metabolizer's of T your doing 800 mgs / month and so am I but I do an

80mg shot every 3 days with 400 IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots I

stop HCG a week before labs and my levels stay up between 800 to 900 from lab to

lab test and I do labs every 8 weeks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >I see there are three types of Testo injections. I just

> started and was given T-Cyp 200mg , once a week. What's the

> difference and what's the most popular one and why? Anyone?

>

> That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a week.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:45:42 -0500, you wrote:

>RetroGrouch

>

>Some will tell you that is a lot of Testosterone. I take twice the amount you

do. So... Keep in mind... your body is different from everyone else's.

>They take what is right for them... you must take what is right for you. Don't

let anyone try to put you into a category of " normal " or " not normal " .

>

>Keep doing what is right for YOU and no one else. That said... this is a good

place for information. But your TRT program is for YOU... and only YOU. Based

on Your Labs.

However there are also a lot of Doctors out there that don't have even

a basic understanding of TRT. It's important to get informed and ask

the right questions and check up on what your doctor is doing. It's

important to work form a place of knowledge. Most of us have found we

have had to take an active role to get the treatment we deserve and

combat our own doctors ignorance.

[Guest guest]

Thank you! You are right about education. I'm unemployed and I read for over ten

hours a day for the last two weeks. I...like almost everyone else have been

taking all kinds of pills that were for stuff due to low T. Spreading the word

and gaing acceptance is something I'm going to do for the rest of my life.I

suggest we all get involved in responding to every post anywhere that mentions

testostorone. I will. Starting with Wikipedias lame article on Hydro..what ever

that fancy name for low T is.

>

> >RetroGrouch

> >

> >Some will tell you that is a lot of Testosterone. I take twice the amount

you do. So... Keep in mind... your body is different from everyone else's.

> >They take what is right for them... you must take what is right for you.

Don't let anyone try to put you into a category of " normal " or " not normal " .

> >

> >Keep doing what is right for YOU and no one else. That said... this is a

good place for information. But your TRT program is for YOU... and only YOU.

Based on Your Labs.

>

>

> However there are also a lot of Doctors out there that don't have even

> a basic understanding of TRT. It's important to get informed and ask

> the right questions and check up on what your doctor is doing. It's

> important to work form a place of knowledge. Most of us have found we

> have had to take an active role to get the treatment we deserve and

> combat our own doctors ignorance.

>

[Guest guest]

  I take 210 per week.   I have severe Hypogonadism.   I suffered emensley. My

first endo refused to give me more than 5 grams of Androgel a day.   Please

remember we all need to be in  the optimum levals and that all of our bodies

have different damage and requirements.  

So Sir my advise is to work on YOUR BODY and its optimum levals.

________________________________

From: " retrogrouch@... " <retrogrouch@...>

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 12:49:52 PM

Subject: Re: Testo Types

 

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:07:03 -0000, you wrote:

>I see there are three types of Testo injections. I just started and was given

T-Cyp 200mg , once a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular one

and why? Anyone?

That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a week.

[Guest guest]

Thanks REtroGrouch! One question on BioAvailable T. What is the optiomal range.

>

> On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:45:42 -0500, you wrote:

>

> >RetroGrouch

> >

> >Some will tell you that is a lot of Testosterone. I take twice the amount

you do. So... Keep in mind... your body is different from everyone else's.

> >They take what is right for them... you must take what is right for you.

Don't let anyone try to put you into a category of " normal " or " not normal " .

> >

> >Keep doing what is right for YOU and no one else. That said... this is a

good place for information. But your TRT program is for YOU... and only YOU.

Based on Your Labs.

>

>

> However there are also a lot of Doctors out there that don't have even

> a basic understanding of TRT. It's important to get informed and ask

> the right questions and check up on what your doctor is doing. It's

> important to work form a place of knowledge. Most of us have found we

> have had to take an active role to get the treatment we deserve and

> combat our own doctors ignorance.

>

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>

>  I take 210 per week.   I have severe Hypogonadism.   I suffered emensley. My

first endo refused to give me more than 5 grams of Androgel a day.   Please

remember we all need to be in  the optimum levals and that all of our bodies

have different damage and requirements.  

>

>So Sir my advise is to work on YOUR BODY and its optimum levals.

There certainly are a lot of " testy " folks around these days. :->

What's your total T on these levels?

I'm merely supplying info. ANd a few people are getting their shorts

in a bunch. I'm surprised . Info is good. I differentiate between

advice and info. It's a fact - most of us here take around 100mg a

week to get levels around 600 - 800. A very few take much more than

that.

The doctors knowledge base on these issues is generally abysmal. SO we

need our own info and knowledge to assure ourselves our docs know what

they are doing or to get them to do what's right.

Knowing what most others get is a good starting point.

________________________

>From: " retrogrouch@... " <retrogrouch@...>

>

>Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 12:49:52 PM

>Subject: Re: Testo Types

>

> 

>On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:07:03 -0000, you wrote:

>

>>I see there are three types of Testo injections. I just started and was given

T-Cyp 200mg , once a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular one

and why? Anyone?

>

>That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a week.

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:16:53 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Thanks REtroGrouch! One question on BioAvailable T. What is the optiomal range.

I'd say shoot for mid range or a bit above midrange for the range your

lab posts - the lab test though - not the calculated estimate level.

[Guest guest]

You're right! The more I learn the more testy I get....at my own experience and

others! This is just wrong! Todays the 4th day after my 1st T-Shot and already

I'm feeling better. I get checked next Wed morn. I was at 157 before.

Now speaking of tests and getting testy...WHY...if T is at itshighest during the

morning hours is the reccomendation to test then? Isn't this as good as its ever

gonna be? Won't it make more sense to test at the LOWEST point in the day???

> >

> >>I see there are three types of Testo injections. I just started and was

given T-Cyp 200mg , once a week. What's the difference and what's the most

popular one and why? Anyone?

> >

> >That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a week.

>

[Guest guest]

No you test first thing in the morning to find out if you have low T after your

on TRT you can test any time in the day on shots but do the labs before doing

the shot on the day of your next shot so you can see how low your going if to

low this is what makes us feel bad. So it's best to test in the morning before

your next shot on gels same thing but do a good shower make sure no gels are on

your arms so you don't spike up your labs hitting the gel on your arm when

taking the blood. Your feeling better on the 4th day after your shot because

this is when your shot hits the highest levels in your blood after this it will

fall and keep falling until you do your next shot.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Testo Types

>

> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 4:44 PM

> You're right! The more I learn the

> more testy I get....at my own experience and others! This is

> just wrong! Todays the 4th day after my 1st T-Shot and

> already I'm feeling better. I get checked next Wed morn. I

> was at 157 before.

>

> Now speaking of tests and getting testy...WHY...if T is at

> itshighest during the morning hours is the reccomendation to

> test then? Isn't this as good as its ever gonna be? Won't it

> make more sense to test at the LOWEST point in the day???

>

>

>

> > >

> > >>I see there are three types of Testo

> injections. I just started and was given T-Cyp 200mg , once

> a week. What's the difference and what's the most popular

> one and why? Anyone?

> > >

> > >That's a lot of T! Most of us take 1/2 of that a

> week.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> You're right! The more I learn the more testy I get....at my own experience

and others! This is just wrong! Todays the 4th day after my 1st T-Shot and

already I'm feeling better. I get checked next Wed morn. I was at 157 before.

>

> Now speaking of tests and getting testy...WHY...if T is at itshighest during

the morning hours is the reccomendation to test then? Isn't this as good as its

ever gonna be? Won't it make more sense to test at the LOWEST point in the

day???

>

I can see a number of reasons to test in the morning when you are at your

highest. The first is that labs are not open the late evening, like 10 pm or

midnight when you are at your lowest. Why would they stay open just for one test

out of the hundreds that they do? The next is that the normal levels have been

developed from highest levels and doctors who treat low T use these levels. So

if everyone were to test when they are at their lowest the target levels would

have to be adjusted. For instance, when a doctor tells a 60 year old guy that he

should be at least 500 when tested in the early morning, he would now tell that

same guy that he should be at least 300 if testing were to be done at night as a

standard practice. Clinical trials test subjects throughout the day, but base

effectiveness on peak levels.

[Guest guest]

Well, *I* would say, sure its justified to stay open to just do my one test. Or

if I'm not enough, then do more tests, more often to justify it. That being

said, I understand that if the norm has been to test in the morning, then

comparing test results against the same time line makes sense. But what about

the guy who test at 350 in the morning, and is down to 250 or lower the rest of

the day, and is denied treatment?

" ...testosterone levels were 20–25% lower at 4pm than 8am hours "

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jc.2008-1902v1

> >

> > You're right! The more I learn the more testy I get....at my own experience

and others! This is just wrong! Todays the 4th day after my 1st T-Shot and

already I'm feeling better. I get checked next Wed morn. I was at 157 before.

> >

> > Now speaking of tests and getting testy...WHY...if T is at itshighest during

the morning hours is the reccomendation to test then? Isn't this as good as its

ever gonna be? Won't it make more sense to test at the LOWEST point in the

day???

> >

> I can see a number of reasons to test in the morning when you are at your

highest. The first is that labs are not open the late evening, like 10 pm or

midnight when you are at your lowest. Why would they stay open just for one test

out of the hundreds that they do? The next is that the normal levels have been

developed from highest levels and doctors who treat low T use these levels. So

if everyone were to test when they are at their lowest the target levels would

have to be adjusted. For instance, when a doctor tells a 60 year old guy that he

should be at least 500 when tested in the early morning, he would now tell that

same guy that he should be at least 300 if testing were to be done at night as a

standard practice. Clinical trials test subjects throughout the day, but base

effectiveness on peak levels.

>

[Guest guest]

If you are testing at 350 at 8 am then you should NOT be denied treatment unless

you are in your 80s or 90s. The problem is not in when you test, it is in the

doctor not understanding anything about hormones and just going by the lab

normals. Remember that the lab normals are for men between the ages of 18 and

90. The doctors have to realize that and treat appropriately. If a doctor is

like mine and realizes that a 64 year old man should be at least 500 then if I

tested in the evening and was at 400, but at 800 in the morning, he would be

putting me on TRT when the problem would obviously not be low T.

> > >

> > > You're right! The more I learn the more testy I get....at my own

experience and others! This is just wrong! Todays the 4th day after my 1st

T-Shot and already I'm feeling better. I get checked next Wed morn. I was at 157

before.

> > >

> > > Now speaking of tests and getting testy...WHY...if T is at itshighest

during the morning hours is the reccomendation to test then? Isn't this as good

as its ever gonna be? Won't it make more sense to test at the LOWEST point in

the day???

> > >

> > I can see a number of reasons to test in the morning when you are at your

highest. The first is that labs are not open the late evening, like 10 pm or

midnight when you are at your lowest. Why would they stay open just for one test

out of the hundreds that they do? The next is that the normal levels have been

developed from highest levels and doctors who treat low T use these levels. So

if everyone were to test when they are at their lowest the target levels would

have to be adjusted. For instance, when a doctor tells a 60 year old guy that he

should be at least 500 when tested in the early morning, he would now tell that

same guy that he should be at least 300 if testing were to be done at night as a

standard practice. Clinical trials test subjects throughout the day, but base

effectiveness on peak levels.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Any Dr. worth his salt that would not treat a men after seeing him below 400 is

not worth wasting your time with. But then a good Dr. would treat one by how he

feels not his labs and would not put one on TRT until he tested everything to

see why he is low. Life is to short to mess with Dr.'s that are not up on TRT

and testing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Testo Types

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 10:38 AM

> Well, *I* would say, sure its

> justified to stay open to just do my one test. Or if I'm not

> enough, then do more tests, more often to justify it. That

> being said, I understand that if the norm has been to test

> in the morning, then comparing test results against the same

> time line makes sense. But what about the guy who test at

> 350 in the morning, and is down to 250 or lower the rest of

> the day, and is denied treatment?

>

> " ...testosterone levels were 20–25% lower at 4pm 

> than 8am hours "

>

> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jc.2008-1902v1

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > You're right! The more I learn the more testy I

> get....at my own experience and others! This is just wrong!

> Todays the 4th day after my 1st T-Shot and already I'm

> feeling better. I get checked next Wed morn. I was at 157

> before.

> > >

> > > Now speaking of tests and getting

> testy...WHY...if T is at itshighest during the morning hours

> is the reccomendation to test then? Isn't this as good as

> its ever gonna be? Won't it make more sense to test at the

> LOWEST point in the day???

> > >

> > I can see a number of reasons to test in the morning

> when you are at your highest. The first is that labs are not

> open the late evening, like 10 pm or midnight when you are

> at your lowest. Why would they stay open just for one test

> out of the hundreds that they do? The next is that the

> normal levels have been developed from highest levels and

> doctors who treat low T use these levels. So if everyone

> were to test when they are at their lowest the target levels

> would have to be adjusted. For instance, when a doctor tells

> a 60 year old guy that he should be at least 500 when tested

> in the early morning, he would now tell that same guy that

> he should be at least 300 if testing were to be done at

> night as a standard practice. Clinical trials test subjects

> throughout the day, but base effectiveness on peak levels.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Phil, AS is said the other day, lots of my docs knew about the T problem

incluuding the Urologists. My T level was 160..........no wonder my bones

splintered in more than ten places in my leg from the car accident???

Jim

Re: Testo Types

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 10:38 AM

> Well, *I* would say, sure its

> justified to stay open to just do my one test. Or if I'm not

> enough, then do more tests, more often to justify it. That

> being said, I understand that if the norm has been to test

> in the morning, then comparing test results against the same

> time line makes sense. But what about the guy who test at

> 350 in the morning, and is down to 250 or lower the rest of

> the day, and is denied treatment?

>

> " ...testosterone levels were 20–25% lower at 4pm

> than 8am hours "

>

> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jc.2008-1902v1

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > You're right! The more I learn the more testy I

> get....at my own experience and others! This is just wrong!

> Todays the 4th day after my 1st T-Shot and already I'm

> feeling better. I get checked next Wed morn. I was at 157

> before.

> > >

> > > Now speaking of tests and getting

> testy...WHY...if T is at itshighest during the morning hours

> is the reccomendation to test then? Isn't this as good as

> its ever gonna be? Won't it make more sense to test at the

> LOWEST point in the day???

> > >

> > I can see a number of reasons to test in the morning

> when you are at your highest. The first is that labs are not

> open the late evening, like 10 pm or midnight when you are

> at your lowest. Why would they stay open just for one test

> out of the hundreds that they do? The next is that the

> normal levels have been developed from highest levels and

> doctors who treat low T use these levels. So if everyone

> were to test when they are at their lowest the target levels

> would have to be adjusted. For instance, when a doctor tells

> a 60 year old guy that he should be at least 500 when tested

> in the early morning, he would now tell that same guy that

> he should be at least 300 if testing were to be done at

> night as a standard practice. Clinical trials test subjects

> throughout the day, but base effectiveness on peak levels.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>