Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Something like that, yes. I draw from my vial with a 13GA and inject with a 22GA. Some of the guys inject with a 25GA or a 27GA. gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger the needle diameter/bore? --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 At 06:09 AM 2/27/2008, you wrote: >Something like that, yes. I draw from my vial with a 13GA and inject >with a 22GA. Some of the guys inject with a 25GA or a 27GA. > >gettin_older ><<mailto:gettin_older%40>gettin_older@...> wrote: Is >needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger the >needle diameter/bore? >oo! Group > >to share and learn. > > ><http://us.ard./SIG=13rqe7t80/M=493064.12016262.12445669.8674578/D=grp\ health/S=1705061124:NC/Y=/EXP=1204121378/L=/B=xBRvBUJe5FM-/J=12041141788846\ 65/A=5028926/R=0/SIG=11e3tma2a/*http://new./moderatorcentral>Lat\ est >product news > do most inject with 22 to 25 GA 1.5 inch needles (if injection site = buttocks?) using a 1-3 cc syringe???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Yes I use 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle to do my shots into my thigh been doing this for yrs. My labs never changed going from a 25g x 1 " lg. needle. And I have less scaring and pain. gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger the needle diameter/bore? Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Yes they did now this is old and Dr. Shippen " The Testosterone Syndrome " book. Now does T shots every 3 days using a 29g pin shooting SubQ. Into the fat on his sides he says doing this keeps his E2 levels down and he feel leveled. A lot of use do shots every 3 days I do but I do them into my thigh using a 27g x 1/2 " lg. needle I get the same results as Dr. Shippen it keeps my E2 down and me leveled. So do good doing shots 2 x's a week. It's the lower dose that is keeping the E2 spike down. kipp kruse <kckruse@...> wrote: At 06:09 AM 2/27/2008, you wrote: >Something like that, yes. I draw from my vial with a 13GA and inject >with a 22GA. Some of the guys inject with a 25GA or a 27GA. > >gettin_older ><<mailto:gettin_older%40>gettin_older@...> wrote: Is >needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger the >needle diameter/bore? >oo! Group > >to share and learn. > > ><http://us.ard./SIG=13rqe7t80/M=493064.12016262.12445669.8674578/D=grp\ health/S=1705061124:NC/Y=/EXP=1204121378/L=/B=xBRvBUJe5FM-/J=12041141788846\ 65/A=5028926/R=0/SIG=11e3tma2a/*http://new./moderatorcentral>Lat\ est >product news > do most inject with 22 to 25 GA 1.5 inch needles (if injection site = buttocks?) using a 1-3 cc syringe???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Now I have a follow-on question: The last two injections I gave myself, right and left thigh, were somewhat painful and left both legs with what I could describe as " bruised. " I have a knot at or physsically below, closer to the knee, the injection site. Any speculation as to the cause? When I gave myself injections at the doc's office this did not occur. > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger the > needle diameter/bore? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 What size needle are you using when I shoot I try to stay near the middle on my thigh off to the side not in the side of my thigh but just off the top to the outside. If I use a big needle with a big dose I get this lump. I use 200mgs/ml of Depo T so a 100mg. shot is only .5 mls. The amount is smaller. gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: Now I have a follow-on question: The last two injections I gave myself, right and left thigh, were somewhat painful and left both legs with what I could describe as " bruised. " I have a knot at or physsically below, closer to the knee, the injection site. Any speculation as to the cause? When I gave myself injections at the doc's office this did not occur. > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger the > needle diameter/bore? > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I'm using a 22G 1 1/2 " needle with no problem. I choose the same injection sites as Phil. Sometimes I bruise but not often. Sometimes I bleed a little, sometimes no. I plan on switching to a 25G or 27G needle but I just bought about a years supply of 22G syringes so may as well use these up first. I'm guessing you were too close to the knee and hit something you shouldn't have. When I was taking those 2cc monthly shots in the butt sometimes it would feel like a tube of concrete in my ass. philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: What size needle are you using when I shoot I try to stay near the middle on my thigh off to the side not in the side of my thigh but just off the top to the outside. If I use a big needle with a big dose I get this lump. I use 200mgs/ml of Depo T so a 100mg. shot is only .5 mls. The amount is smaller. gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: Now I have a follow-on question: The last two injections I gave myself, right and left thigh, were somewhat painful and left both legs with what I could describe as " bruised. " I have a knot at or physsically below, closer to the knee, the injection site. Any speculation as to the cause? When I gave myself injections at the doc's office this did not occur. > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger the > needle diameter/bore? > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I use a 1 " 23G in my thigh. Sometimes I hit a blood vessel on the way in. This hurts a bit and it also usually leaves a bruise I think from the blood under my skin even though I don't draw blood when fully inserted. Every now and then I nick or come very close to a nerve and that is always easy to realize -- ouch a bit. I've never had a knot or bump in my thigh after a shot but sometimes it does ache a bit -- for a day or so. These are just my experience. Hope all works well. Darrell > > > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger > the > > needle diameter/bore? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Draw w/25 1 " ; inject 22 1 1/2 " is what my doc prescribed. > > > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger > the > > needle diameter/bore? > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I draw with a 1 " 13G needle which is a lot bigger in diameter than the needle I inject with. A 25G needle is smaller in diameter than a 22G. I don't see the advantage in using a 25G to draw with. One thing for sure, I don't draw and inject with the same needle. You choose and decide for yourself. I recommend drawing with a 13G and injecting with a 22G or smaller. 1 1/2 " is a good length. It's what I use. gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: Draw w/25 1 " ; inject 22 1 1/2 " is what my doc prescribed. > > > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger > the > > needle diameter/bore? > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I would think it should be the other way around. Draw with a 22 gauge and inject with a 25 gauge. Also, my wife got a shingles vaccination yesterday at the pharmacy. It was sub Q and I asked if he had to draw back to check for blood? He said no and also said you no longer have to do that for IM injections either. The recommendations had been changed. Has anyone else heard that? " " > > > > > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the > larger > > the > > > needle diameter/bore? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what > you see. " > > Phil > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I do subq with a 29g now, but when I was doing IM a 25g 5/8 " to both draw and inject ( I didn't swap needles) worked just fine with no pain. On Mar 1, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: > I draw with a 1 " 13G needle which is a lot bigger in diameter than > the needle I inject with. > > A 25G needle is smaller in diameter than a 22G. I don't see the > advantage in using a 25G to draw with. > > One thing for sure, I don't draw and inject with the same needle. > You choose and decide for yourself. I recommend drawing with a 13G > and injecting with a 22G or smaller. 1 1/2 " is a good length. It's > what I use. > > gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: > Draw w/25 1 " ; inject 22 1 1/2 " is what my doc prescribed. > > >>> >>> Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the > larger >> the >>> needle diameter/bore? >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what > you see. " >> Phil >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Wow but you need to do what your Dr. tells you my Dr. said I could use a samller needle. gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: Draw w/25 1 " ; inject 22 1 1/2 " is what my doc prescribed. > > > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the larger > the > > needle diameter/bore? > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:26:29 -0000, you wrote: >I would think it should be the other way around. Draw with a 22 gauge >and inject with a 25 gauge. Also, my wife got a shingles vaccination >yesterday at the pharmacy. It was sub Q and I asked if he had to draw >back to check for blood? He said no and also said you no longer have >to do that for IM injections either. The recommendations had been >changed. Has anyone else heard that? " " Most draw with an 18 or what's called a blunt made just for drawing. A 22 is actually okay on the bottom end of injecting size syringes and okay. Most use a 23 some a 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Two weeks ago I must have puntured a small artery because as I drew out the needle I squirted blood a good inch out of the puncture wound and it took a while for it to stop. There was no bruising, though. > > > > > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the > larger > > the > > > needle diameter/bore? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 This is an area of caution. I draw back a little after I inject to make sure I don't hit a vein. The last thing you want to do is inject this stuff into your blood stream through a vein, artery, etc. gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: Two weeks ago I must have puntured a small artery because as I drew out the needle I squirted blood a good inch out of the puncture wound and it took a while for it to stop. There was no bruising, though. > > > > > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the > larger > > the > > > needle diameter/bore? > > > > > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I absolutely agree. I went through the blood vessel; I did not end up in it. There was no blood in the drawback before emptying the syringe. > > > > > > > > Is needle guage like wire guage? The smaller the number the > > larger > > > the > > > > needle diameter/bore? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 An Update: Today's injection went painlessly, only one minor glitch. When I inserted the needle and pulled back on the plunger I pulled back some blood into the needle. I removed the needle from my leg and got a new needle and chose a new location on my leg. Question: Should I have aborted the entire syringe full and started over? > > > > > > I use a 1 " 23G in my thigh. Sometimes I hit a blood vessel on the > > > way in. This hurts a bit and it also usually leaves a bruise I > > think > > > from the blood under my skin even though I don't draw blood when > > > fully inserted. Every now and then I nick or come very close to a > > > nerve and that is always easy to realize -- ouch a bit. I've > never > > > had a knot or bump in my thigh after a shot but sometimes it does > > > ache a bit -- for a day or so. > > > > > > These are just my experience. Hope all works well. > > > > > > Darrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I haven't had it happen to me yet but I say to myself, as long as I can see what's going on I wouldn't abort. If the syringe is too full of blood and you can't see your air bubble then yeah, abort and start over. gettin_older <gettin_older@...> wrote: An Update: Today's injection went painlessly, only one minor glitch. When I inserted the needle and pulled back on the plunger I pulled back some blood into the needle. I removed the needle from my leg and got a new needle and chose a new location on my leg. Question: Should I have aborted the entire syringe full and started over? > > > > > > I use a 1 " 23G in my thigh. Sometimes I hit a blood vessel on the > > > way in. This hurts a bit and it also usually leaves a bruise I > > think > > > from the blood under my skin even though I don't draw blood when > > > fully inserted. Every now and then I nick or come very close to a > > > nerve and that is always easy to realize -- ouch a bit. I've > never > > > had a knot or bump in my thigh after a shot but sometimes it does > > > ache a bit -- for a day or so. > > > > > > These are just my experience. Hope all works well. > > > > > > Darrell --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I asked my doctor that question. He said he didn't like to waste anything so just push the needle in a little further or pull it out a little bit. > > > > > > > > I use a 1 " 23G in my thigh. Sometimes I hit a blood vessel on > the > > > > way in. This hurts a bit and it also usually leaves a bruise I > > > think > > > > from the blood under my skin even though I don't draw blood > when > > > > fully inserted. Every now and then I nick or come very close to > a > > > > nerve and that is always easy to realize -- ouch a bit. I've > > never > > > > had a knot or bump in my thigh after a shot but sometimes it > does > > > > ache a bit -- for a day or so. > > > > > > > > These are just my experience. Hope all works well. > > > > > > > > Darrell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Do be careful about getting into a vein or artery. Heart failure can result and you may lose some of the slow time release properties too. You see, it's not the testosterone that's harmful but it's the oil that it is suspended in that can cause heart failure. jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote: I asked my doctor that question. He said he didn't like to waste anything so just push the needle in a little further or pull it out a little bit. > > > > > > > > I use a 1 " 23G in my thigh. Sometimes I hit a blood vessel on > the > > > > way in. This hurts a bit and it also usually leaves a bruise I > > > think > > > > from the blood under my skin even though I don't draw blood > when > > > > fully inserted. Every now and then I nick or come very close to > a > > > > nerve and that is always easy to realize -- ouch a bit. I've > > never > > > > had a knot or bump in my thigh after a shot but sometimes it > does > > > > ache a bit -- for a day or so. > > > > > > > > These are just my experience. Hope all works well. > > > > > > > > Darrell > --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 All the more reason to consider SubQ injections in the belly. On Mar 4, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Norsworthy wrote: > Do be careful about getting into a vein or artery. Heart failure can > result and you may lose some of the slow time release properties > too. You see, it's not the testosterone that's harmful but it's the > oil that it is suspended in that can cause heart failure. > > jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote: I asked my doctor that > question. He said he didn't like to waste > anything so just push the needle in a little further or pull it out a > little bit. > > >>>>> >>>>> I use a 1 " 23G in my thigh. Sometimes I hit a blood vessel on >> the >>>>> way in. This hurts a bit and it also usually leaves a bruise > I >>>> think >>>>> from the blood under my skin even though I don't draw blood >> when >>>>> fully inserted. Every now and then I nick or come very close > to >> a >>>>> nerve and that is always easy to realize -- ouch a bit. I've >>> never >>>>> had a knot or bump in my thigh after a shot but sometimes it >> does >>>>> ache a bit -- for a day or so. >>>>> >>>>> These are just my experience. Hope all works well. >>>>> >>>>> Darrell >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 My doctor wasn't too keen doing SubQ. He probably isn't aware that men are doing it. Do you have a link to some documentation discussing SubQ for T? Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: All the more reason to consider SubQ injections in the belly. On Mar 4, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Norsworthy wrote: > Do be careful about getting into a vein or artery. Heart failure can > result and you may lose some of the slow time release properties > too. You see, it's not the testosterone that's harmful but it's the > oil that it is suspended in that can cause heart failure. > > jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote: I asked my doctor that > question. He said he didn't like to waste > anything so just push the needle in a little further or pull it out a > little bit. > > >>>>> >>>>> I use a 1 " 23G in my thigh. Sometimes I hit a blood vessel on >> the >>>>> way in. This hurts a bit and it also usually leaves a bruise > I >>>> think >>>>> from the blood under my skin even though I don't draw blood >> when >>>>> fully inserted. Every now and then I nick or come very close > to >> a >>>>> nerve and that is always easy to realize -- ouch a bit. I've >>> never >>>>> had a knot or bump in my thigh after a shot but sometimes it >> does >>>>> ache a bit -- for a day or so. >>>>> >>>>> These are just my experience. Hope all works well. >>>>> >>>>> Darrell >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 No, sorry, I don't have a link to subq anywhere. My Dr told me to switch to subq. Scuttlebutt on this site is that Shippen and Crisler both have patients doing subq now. On Mar 4, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Norsworthy wrote: > My doctor wasn't too keen doing SubQ. He probably isn't aware that > men are doing it. Do you have a link to some documentation > discussing SubQ for T? > > Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: All the more reason to > consider SubQ injections in the belly. > > On Mar 4, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Norsworthy wrote: > >> Do be careful about getting into a vein or artery. Heart failure can >> result and you may lose some of the slow time release properties >> too. You see, it's not the testosterone that's harmful but it's the >> oil that it is suspended in that can cause heart failure. >> >> jahost1942 <jahost@...> wrote: I asked my doctor that >> question. He said he didn't like to waste >> anything so just push the needle in a little further or pull it out a >> little bit. >> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> I use a 1 " 23G in my thigh. Sometimes I hit a blood vessel on >>> the >>>>>> way in. This hurts a bit and it also usually leaves a bruise >> I >>>>> think >>>>>> from the blood under my skin even though I don't draw blood >>> when >>>>>> fully inserted. Every now and then I nick or come very close >> to >>> a >>>>>> nerve and that is always easy to realize -- ouch a bit. I've >>>> never >>>>>> had a knot or bump in my thigh after a shot but sometimes it >>> does >>>>>> ache a bit -- for a day or so. >>>>>> >>>>>> These are just my experience. Hope all works well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Darrell >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. >> Try it now. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 I've been experimenting with subq T cyp injections for a few months now. I do 20 mg into my belly, about once a week, in between my regular IM injections. For me, 20 mg is about two day's worth, so I might do a 20 mg subq injection, and then two days later do a 75 mg IM in the thigh, which lasts me about 5 days. So far, I can't tell any difference in the results between the two modes on injections. However, I definitely prefer doing subq - it just plain hurts less. Occasionally it will sting a bit, or the injection site might get a bit sore. Eugene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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