Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 > > What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my > new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't > believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to > find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, > but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. > Thanks > Is there an herbal remidy? Or how about the supplements advertised on health sites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:27:55 -0000, you wrote: >What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my >new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't >believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to >find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, >but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. >Thanks Present him with Dr. 's protocol for treatment. http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/TRT.doc Also give him the study on E2 feed back. /files/Letrozole%20Study.pdf You need to educate him. Tell him you are in an online support group with over 2500 members world wide. And that some of these people are being treated by the leading experts in the world. That in sharing our experiences we have established a very good data base on what works and what does not, and the overwhelming consensus is that E2 management and tracking is essential. IT's unfortunate but most of us find we need to educate our doctors, even the endos (or especially the endos). Too many of us have had to fight for treatment that works. Use kid gloves with the Doc. Try not to be threatening or come off as knowing more than they do. The ego issues are immense and difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 > > >What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my > >new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't > >believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to > >find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, > >but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. > >Thanks > > > Present him with Dr. 's protocol for treatment. > http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/TRT.doc > > Also give him the study on E2 feed back. > /files/Letrozole% 20Study.pdf > > > You need to educate him. Tell him you are in an online support group > with over 2500 members world wide. And that some of these people are > being treated by the leading experts in the world. That in sharing our > experiences we have established a very good data base on what works > and what does not, and the overwhelming consensus is that E2 > management and tracking is essential. > > IT's unfortunate but most of us find we need to educate our doctors, > even the endos (or especially the endos). > > Too many of us have had to fight for treatment that works. > > Use kid gloves with the Doc. Try not to be threatening or come off as > knowing more than they do. The ego issues are immense and difficult. >I agree with you 100% and appreciate the response. In the mean time is there any supplement that actually help lower estrogen? I can find all kinds of products that claim they do such as chrysin or 6- oxo, but do any actually help? Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 I have been losing weight and now find the arimidex to strong I am going down to low on my E2. So I started back on Indolplex/DIM yesterday I have used this on and off for a long time. I can only take one tablet a day so when I can't get E2 down on one tab I switch back to Arimidex. Yet I find I feel much better on Indoplex/DIM and feel more leveled my night time and morning wood is much better on Indolplex/DIM. There is a lot of junk out there I use this brand I know it works. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html If you get this then get back to me and I will tell you how to take it with out going down to low. Ody <dragonslayer1010@...> wrote: What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. Thanks Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 And when you take the Indoplex like we do, I recommend supplementing that with one 50mg tablet of Zinc daily. It will help inhibit aromatase that converts T to E2. In addition, add one 2mg tablet of Copper daily. It will replace the metals in the body the Zinc uses. (from Dr. Shippen's book) philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have been losing weight and now find the arimidex to strong I am going down to low on my E2. So I started back on Indolplex/DIM yesterday I have used this on and off for a long time. I can only take one tablet a day so when I can't get E2 down on one tab I switch back to Arimidex. Yet I find I feel much better on Indoplex/DIM and feel more leveled my night time and morning wood is much better on Indolplex/DIM. There is a lot of junk out there I use this brand I know it works. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html If you get this then get back to me and I will tell you how to take it with out going down to low. Ody <dragonslayer1010@...> wrote: What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. Thanks Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 I have new info on this when I found out my Iron levels are low doing Zinc with Copper at the same time is bad. So now I do ZMA at bedtime 3 pills and 2mgs of copper at noon. http://www.myvitanet.com/zmaanspre90c.html I also do TMG this helps the liver wash out the bad E's that get converted from the Indolplex/DIM. I also found out my Multi-Vit was not doing the job most of the gets killed in my stomach. So I use this now. http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm And I can tell the Difference. I am also low on Vit-D my labs come bad dam low. So I am doing 2 drops of this at bedtime. http://tinyurl.com/2j9wzn And my Homocysteine Cardiovascular test was to high. Looking at doing this in separate pills. http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617 & page=2 Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: And when you take the Indoplex like we do, I recommend supplementing that with one 50mg tablet of Zinc daily. It will help inhibit aromatase that converts T to E2. In addition, add one 2mg tablet of Copper daily. It will replace the metals in the body the Zinc uses. (from Dr. Shippen's book) philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have been losing weight and now find the arimidex to strong I am going down to low on my E2. So I started back on Indolplex/DIM yesterday I have used this on and off for a long time. I can only take one tablet a day so when I can't get E2 down on one tab I switch back to Arimidex. Yet I find I feel much better on Indoplex/DIM and feel more leveled my night time and morning wood is much better on Indolplex/DIM. There is a lot of junk out there I use this brand I know it works. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html If you get this then get back to me and I will tell you how to take it with out going down to low. Ody <dragonslayer1010@...> wrote: What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. Thanks Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 You are correct. I remember my pharmacist saying something to me about people with low Iron should take something other than the Zinc/Copper combination. I forgot what he recommended since my Iron is ok. Something about being anemic you should consider another type of metal or something like that. philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have new info on this when I found out my Iron levels are low doing Zinc with Copper at the same time is bad. So now I do ZMA at bedtime 3 pills and 2mgs of copper at noon. http://www.myvitanet.com/zmaanspre90c.html I also do TMG this helps the liver wash out the bad E's that get converted from the Indolplex/DIM. I also found out my Multi-Vit was not doing the job most of the gets killed in my stomach. So I use this now. http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm And I can tell the Difference. I am also low on Vit-D my labs come bad dam low. So I am doing 2 drops of this at bedtime. http://tinyurl.com/2j9wzn And my Homocysteine Cardiovascular test was to high. Looking at doing this in separate pills. http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617 & page=2 Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: And when you take the Indoplex like we do, I recommend supplementing that with one 50mg tablet of Zinc daily. It will help inhibit aromatase that converts T to E2. In addition, add one 2mg tablet of Copper daily. It will replace the metals in the body the Zinc uses. (from Dr. Shippen's book) philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have been losing weight and now find the arimidex to strong I am going down to low on my E2. So I started back on Indolplex/DIM yesterday I have used this on and off for a long time. I can only take one tablet a day so when I can't get E2 down on one tab I switch back to Arimidex. Yet I find I feel much better on Indoplex/DIM and feel more leveled my night time and morning wood is much better on Indolplex/DIM. There is a lot of junk out there I use this brand I know it works. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html If you get this then get back to me and I will tell you how to take it with out going down to low. Ody <dragonslayer1010@...> wrote: What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. Thanks Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Yes he is right when taking Iron pills one needs to take Vit. C I take 1000mgs with each Iron pill 2 x's a day. The other Vit. and Supplements are to bring Vit-D up and my homocysteine levels down. Still it's not good to do Zinc with Copper at the same time do the zinc at night and the copper at noon. Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: You are correct. I remember my pharmacist saying something to me about people with low Iron should take something other than the Zinc/Copper combination. I forgot what he recommended since my Iron is ok. Something about being anemic you should consider another type of metal or something like that. philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have new info on this when I found out my Iron levels are low doing Zinc with Copper at the same time is bad. So now I do ZMA at bedtime 3 pills and 2mgs of copper at noon. http://www.myvitanet.com/zmaanspre90c.html I also do TMG this helps the liver wash out the bad E's that get converted from the Indolplex/DIM. I also found out my Multi-Vit was not doing the job most of the gets killed in my stomach. So I use this now. http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm And I can tell the Difference. I am also low on Vit-D my labs come bad dam low. So I am doing 2 drops of this at bedtime. http://tinyurl.com/2j9wzn And my Homocysteine Cardiovascular test was to high. Looking at doing this in separate pills. http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617 & page=2 Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: And when you take the Indoplex like we do, I recommend supplementing that with one 50mg tablet of Zinc daily. It will help inhibit aromatase that converts T to E2. In addition, add one 2mg tablet of Copper daily. It will replace the metals in the body the Zinc uses. (from Dr. Shippen's book) philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have been losing weight and now find the arimidex to strong I am going down to low on my E2. So I started back on Indolplex/DIM yesterday I have used this on and off for a long time. I can only take one tablet a day so when I can't get E2 down on one tab I switch back to Arimidex. Yet I find I feel much better on Indoplex/DIM and feel more leveled my night time and morning wood is much better on Indolplex/DIM. There is a lot of junk out there I use this brand I know it works. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html If you get this then get back to me and I will tell you how to take it with out going down to low. Ody <dragonslayer1010@...> wrote: What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. Thanks Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 There are multiple studies out that show the body cannot absorb more than 200mg of vitamin C per day. I think you're pissing away all that excess C along with the money it costs to buy larger doses. :-) On Feb 27, 2008, at 6:55 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > Yes he is right when taking Iron pills one needs to take Vit. C I > take 1000mgs with each Iron pill 2 x's a day. The other Vit. and > Supplements are to bring Vit-D up and my homocysteine levels down. > Still it's not good to do Zinc with Copper at the same time do the > zinc at night and the copper at noon. > > Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: You > are correct. I remember my pharmacist saying something to me about > people with low Iron should take something other than the Zinc/ > Copper combination. I forgot what he recommended since my Iron is > ok. Something about being anemic you should consider another type of > metal or something like that. > > philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have new info on this > when I found out my Iron levels are low doing Zinc with Copper at > the same time is bad. So now I do ZMA at bedtime 3 pills and 2mgs of > copper at noon. > http://www.myvitanet.com/zmaanspre90c.html > I also do TMG this helps the liver wash out the bad E's that get > converted from the Indolplex/DIM. > > I also found out my Multi-Vit was not doing the job most of the gets > killed in my stomach. So I use this now. > http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm > And I can tell the Difference. > > I am also low on Vit-D my labs come bad dam low. So I am doing 2 > drops of this at bedtime. > http://tinyurl.com/2j9wzn > > And my Homocysteine Cardiovascular test was to high. Looking at > doing this in separate pills. > http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617 & page=2 > > Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: > And when you take the Indoplex like we do, I recommend supplementing > that with one 50mg tablet of Zinc daily. It will help inhibit > aromatase that converts T to E2. In addition, add one 2mg tablet of > Copper daily. It will replace the metals in the body the Zinc uses. > (from Dr. Shippen's book) > > philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have been losing > weight and now find the arimidex to strong I am going down to low on > my E2. So I started back on Indolplex/DIM yesterday I have used this > on and off for a long time. I can only take one tablet a day so when > I can't get E2 down on one tab I switch back to Arimidex. Yet I find > I feel much better on Indoplex/DIM and feel more leveled my night > time and morning wood is much better on Indolplex/DIM. There is a > lot of junk out there I use this brand I know it works. > http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html > If you get this then get back to me and I will tell you how to take > it with out going down to low. > > Ody <dragonslayer1010@...> wrote: > What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my > new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't > believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to > find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, > but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. > Thanks > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what > you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Dave I don't go by them studies on today and off tomorrow. Then come out with one saying such and such and the next day there is one out the opposite. I go by how I feel. Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: There are multiple studies out that show the body cannot absorb more than 200mg of vitamin C per day. I think you're pissing away all that excess C along with the money it costs to buy larger doses. :-) On Feb 27, 2008, at 6:55 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > Yes he is right when taking Iron pills one needs to take Vit. C I > take 1000mgs with each Iron pill 2 x's a day. The other Vit. and > Supplements are to bring Vit-D up and my homocysteine levels down. > Still it's not good to do Zinc with Copper at the same time do the > zinc at night and the copper at noon. > > Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: You > are correct. I remember my pharmacist saying something to me about > people with low Iron should take something other than the Zinc/ > Copper combination. I forgot what he recommended since my Iron is > ok. Something about being anemic you should consider another type of > metal or something like that. > > philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have new info on this > when I found out my Iron levels are low doing Zinc with Copper at > the same time is bad. So now I do ZMA at bedtime 3 pills and 2mgs of > copper at noon. > http://www.myvitanet.com/zmaanspre90c.html > I also do TMG this helps the liver wash out the bad E's that get > converted from the Indolplex/DIM. > > I also found out my Multi-Vit was not doing the job most of the gets > killed in my stomach. So I use this now. > http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm > And I can tell the Difference. > > I am also low on Vit-D my labs come bad dam low. So I am doing 2 > drops of this at bedtime. > http://tinyurl.com/2j9wzn > > And my Homocysteine Cardiovascular test was to high. Looking at > doing this in separate pills. > http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617 & page=2 > > Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: > And when you take the Indoplex like we do, I recommend supplementing > that with one 50mg tablet of Zinc daily. It will help inhibit > aromatase that converts T to E2. In addition, add one 2mg tablet of > Copper daily. It will replace the metals in the body the Zinc uses. > (from Dr. Shippen's book) > > philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have been losing > weight and now find the arimidex to strong I am going down to low on > my E2. So I started back on Indolplex/DIM yesterday I have used this > on and off for a long time. I can only take one tablet a day so when > I can't get E2 down on one tab I switch back to Arimidex. Yet I find > I feel much better on Indoplex/DIM and feel more leveled my night > time and morning wood is much better on Indolplex/DIM. There is a > lot of junk out there I use this brand I know it works. > http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html > If you get this then get back to me and I will tell you how to take > it with out going down to low. > > Ody <dragonslayer1010@...> wrote: > What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my > new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't > believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to > find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, > but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. > Thanks > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what > you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 They are as old as 1999. No disrespect, Phil, as you are a valuable source of information and advice to the group, but I suspect much of the phenomenal results and reactions you get from so many different supplements you take is largely due to the placebo effect. I may be wrong, but so few others ever report feeling such radical improvements with so many different substances that the results must be questioned as to uniqueness. I suppose another explanation is your considerable advanced age to much if the group and years if poor health and perhaps even malnutrition from it. Regardless of how you feel, I think the bulk of readers would be wasting money on long term mega dosing of vitamin C. At least since it is water soluble, there's little health risk from it. On Mar 1, 2008, at 9:49 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > Dave I don't go by them studies on today and off tomorrow. Then > come out with one saying such and such and the next day there is one > out the opposite. I go by how I feel. > > Dave <groupsdude@...> wrote: There are multiple > studies out that show the body cannot absorb more > than 200mg of vitamin C per day. I think you're pissing away all that > excess C along with the money it costs to buy larger doses. :-) > > On Feb 27, 2008, at 6:55 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> > wrote: > >> Yes he is right when taking Iron pills one needs to take Vit. C I >> take 1000mgs with each Iron pill 2 x's a day. The other Vit. and >> Supplements are to bring Vit-D up and my homocysteine levels down. >> Still it's not good to do Zinc with Copper at the same time do the >> zinc at night and the copper at noon. >> >> Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: You >> are correct. I remember my pharmacist saying something to me about >> people with low Iron should take something other than the Zinc/ >> Copper combination. I forgot what he recommended since my Iron is >> ok. Something about being anemic you should consider another type of >> metal or something like that. >> >> philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have new info on this >> when I found out my Iron levels are low doing Zinc with Copper at >> the same time is bad. So now I do ZMA at bedtime 3 pills and 2mgs of >> copper at noon. >> http://www.myvitanet.com/zmaanspre90c.html >> I also do TMG this helps the liver wash out the bad E's that get >> converted from the Indolplex/DIM. >> >> I also found out my Multi-Vit was not doing the job most of the gets >> killed in my stomach. So I use this now. >> http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm >> And I can tell the Difference. >> >> I am also low on Vit-D my labs come bad dam low. So I am doing 2 >> drops of this at bedtime. >> http://tinyurl.com/2j9wzn >> >> And my Homocysteine Cardiovascular test was to high. Looking at >> doing this in separate pills. >> http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617 & page=2 >> >> Norsworthy <norsworthy_david@...> wrote: >> And when you take the Indoplex like we do, I recommend supplementing >> that with one 50mg tablet of Zinc daily. It will help inhibit >> aromatase that converts T to E2. In addition, add one 2mg tablet of >> Copper daily. It will replace the metals in the body the Zinc uses. >> (from Dr. Shippen's book) >> >> philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I have been losing >> weight and now find the arimidex to strong I am going down to low on >> my E2. So I started back on Indolplex/DIM yesterday I have used this >> on and off for a long time. I can only take one tablet a day so when >> I can't get E2 down on one tab I switch back to Arimidex. Yet I find >> I feel much better on Indoplex/DIM and feel more leveled my night >> time and morning wood is much better on Indolplex/DIM. There is a >> lot of junk out there I use this brand I know it works. >> http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html >> If you get this then get back to me and I will tell you how to take >> it with out going down to low. >> >> Ody <dragonslayer1010@...> wrote: >> What is the best anti estrogen or blocker I can legally buy? Since my >> new doc pulled me off the clomid I need to find something. He doesn't >> believe in treating the E even though I am on the testim. Trying to >> find a doc to help me is not working. I would prefer a prescripion, >> but have to settle. Searched the net, but don't know who to trust. >> Thanks >> >> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what >> you see. " >> Phil >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. >> Try it now. >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Arimidex is a very good aromitase inhibitor. I have used aromisin and femara as well, and they are a bit more tricky to dose as they can drop your estradiol levels down " too low " with just one dose. However, femara is much cheaper to use as an aromitase inhibitor over the course of a month due to cost per pill and the number of pills needed per month. Most docs get hung up on the use of aromitase inhibitors for men as these drugs were developed to treat breast cancer in women as were most of the SERMS ie tamoxifin. However, once in the body the aromitase inhibitors listed above do not act any differently in the male body than they do in the female body. In the rare cases of male breast cancer the same drugs are used for treating men. If your doctor says otherwise, have him explain why. Chances are he will not have an answer. Whether taken by a woman or a man, the AI's merely stop the aromitisation of Testosterone into estrogen and mainly estradiol or E2. E2 is the most powerfull estrogen variant in the human endocrine system, and if a woman with breast cancer has too much E2 that is able to get to the receptor sites in the breast tissue, chances are the tumor will grow. By depriving the tumor of E2 through either an AI such as arimidex or an SERM such as tamoxifin, the tumor will usually decrease in size. Tamoxifin and some of the other SERMs work in breast cancer treatment by placing very weak forms of estrogen on the estrogen receptors in the breast tissue (male or female it does not matter) so that the stronger E2 can not have access to the receptors and thus the tumor or a mans gynecomastia will in most cases start to decrease in size or at the least have future growth inhibited. So the question that I would pose to your doc are these. The aromitization of T into E is a natural process in both the female and the male body through the action of the aromitase enzyme which is found in both the female and the male body. AI's are very specific in their function. This is not rocket science or quantum mechanics. They limit aromitase activity through one of two ways. One way is to bind to the enzyme and render it inoperable for a period of time, and the other way is to destroy the enzyme molecule. This is the same process whether in the male body or in the female body. I challenge your doctor to explain how these drugs act any different in the male and femaile bodies. All you need to to is read the studies and the way that the AI's were developed to learn this. So if your doctor is not willing to measure and treat/tune your E levels, I suggest you find a new doc asap. If you are going to add exogenous T to the body you have to monitor E levels as well. Not doing so means that your doc is ingoring all the literature that proves that high E levels kill libido, cause gyno, cause ED, and cause various prostate problems. Also if you have had untreated hypo for quite some time, aromitase activity has caused your T to E ratio imbalance which will in most cases cause female type fat deposits in the male body, loss and decay of lean muscle tissue, gyno, prostate problems, ED, no libido, little excersise tollerance, mood swings, anxiety and not least of which depression. This is all docuemented in the current medical literature and this is a matter of legit medical science So if knowing what E2 can do to the male body if it is too high, why would a doctor not treat your E2 levels too? Let me put it this way, if your doc had all of these male problems related to E2 levels, i think he would be more open minded to researching what AI's really do and i bet he would have some Rx for him. He would not put up with all the problems that high E2 causes. You will find that most doctors knowlege of male reproductive endocrinology is very rudamentary at best, and that they have not taken the time to learn about what is going on in treating male hypgonadism . As others have said DIM works for most males, but wihtout some testing to give you a frame work for developing a proper dose for you, it can be pretty much hit and miss thing. You can get AI's and SERMs without an RX in other countries, and I have done this with good success, but you will have to learn how to avoid the fakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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