Re: Testosterone Therapy effects on post-puberty male

[Guest guest]

My issue was identical to yours, at least what you describe.  I began when I was

24 and my total T level was only 90....not very fun.  Facial hair patterns, and

body hair in general, is very individual.  Don't get hung up on how much beard

you can grow, etc., because it likely won't have anything to do with the fact

that you got your proper T level late in life.  As far as penis and testicles

are concerned, my testicles never did grow larger.  Can't say my penis really

did either, but I think it did get a bit thicker because I remember thinking

that at some point, and I hadn't even thought about the possibility anything

would grow bigger because I didn't think my penis was on the small side anyway

(I didn't know it then, but I know now that it was/is bigger than average).

For me, voice became noticeably deeper fairly quick....then more leg hair and

hair in general, the hair on my head became bit thicker too....the person who

cuts my hair even commented on it and she had no idea why it was that way.  Then

developed chest/stomach hair and facial was really last.  I'm still getting new

whiskers slowly, but steadily.

Best,

Derick

From: arh1387 <Hibschmana1@...>

Subject: Testosterone Therapy effects on post-puberty male

Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 9:12 AM

Just wondering if anyone knows about the effects of Testosterone

therapy on a post-puberty male. I'm 21 years old, and a little over 6

feet. I've been on testosterone therapy for just shy of a year for

hypogonadism. During puberty, I didn't develop facial hair, body hair

aside from underarm, leg, and pubic region, and my penis and testicles

did not increase in the size they are when flaccid.

Now, my facial hair is almost grown in, but not around the " goatee "

area, and body hair is beginning to grow in on my chest, but the

flaccid size of my penis and the size of my testicles have not increased.

Does anyone know if, with continued therapy, " goatee " area facial hair

will grow in, and if I should expect the size of my penis/testicles to

increase?

Personal experience, opinions, facts. Anything would be helpful.

Thanks a lot!

[Guest guest]

This is not from personal experience but from what I've read in

medical books and from other posts.

Testicle size will decrease to size of small grapes if on TRT without

hCG because your body's natural (endogeneous) production stops

(pituitary hormones LH & FSH stop sending signals to Leydig cells in

testicals to produce T and sperm production stops (sertoli cells in

testicles - its these cells that make up about 90-95% of mass). Of

course it all depends on how big your testciles were in the first

place if your are going to notice much change in size. If small to

begin with then more likely your are primary hypo.

Penis size is very unlikely to change in size although some people

(few) on this board and other boards have reported some increase in

girth with marginal increase in size.

The likelihood of this happening for you will depend on many

factors...main ones being

1) your levels of T - would need to be sufficiently high for few

months anyway - DHT cream (more potent androgen than testosterone)

has been used in medicine to increase penis size in boys on very rare

occasions i.e. micropenis in new borns/boys

2)your age - the younger you are then much greater chance of success

because amounts of androgen receptors fall dramatically after puberty

3) your CAG repeat length - This is because androgens bind more

strongly to an androgen receptor with short CAG sequences than to

androgen receptors with longer CAG repeats. A particularly large

number of CAG repeats (>38) is associated with mild androgen

resistance.

Its maybe noteworthy that few people on this and other boards who

claim an increase in penis size are primary hypo (not secondary -

associated more with age related decline of T) and XXY (klinefelter)

in particular...small testicles with low T, high LH & FSH are most

obvious features of this - possible this may be cause of your low T

As far as facial hair...most younger guys on TRT say this takes some

time to grow in (months at least but years for sizeable changes) with

slow but gradual improvement i.e. fuller beard/hair growth over time

Hope this helps somewhat - maybe others on here will be able to share

personal experiences with you

Do you know the cause of your low T?

Did you approach doctor about this or did he run hormone tests for

some other reason?

What are your total testosterone levels, LH & FSH before TRT?

>

> Just wondering if anyone knows about the effects of Testosterone

> therapy on a post-puberty male. I'm 21 years old, and a little over

6

> feet. I've been on testosterone therapy for just shy of a year for

> hypogonadism. During puberty, I didn't develop facial hair, body

hair

> aside from underarm, leg, and pubic region, and my penis and

testicles

> did not increase in the size they are when flaccid.

>

> Now, my facial hair is almost grown in, but not around the " goatee "

> area, and body hair is beginning to grow in on my chest, but the

> flaccid size of my penis and the size of my testicles have not

increased.

>

> Does anyone know if, with continued therapy, " goatee " area facial

hair

> will grow in, and if I should expect the size of my penis/testicles

to

> increase?

>

> Personal experience, opinions, facts. Anything would be helpful.

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

[Guest guest]

> Do you know the cause of your low T?

> I don't know the cause; my endocrinologist said it's

hypogonadatropic hypogonadism, which he said means they basically have

no idea what caused my low levels.

> Did you approach doctor about this or did he run hormone tests for

> some other reason?

> I asked to have my levels checked, because I was 20 years old with

no facial hair growth and low sex drive.

> What are your total testosterone levels, LH & FSH before TRT?

> I don't remember my levels before TRT exactly, but I believe I was

at about 300.

Thanks for your info.

[Guest guest]

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

>

> Just wondering if anyone knows about the effects of Testosterone

> therapy on a post-puberty male. I'm 21 years old, and a little over 6

> feet. I've been on testosterone therapy for just shy of a year for

> hypogonadism. During puberty, I didn't develop facial hair, body hair

> aside from underarm, leg, and pubic region, and my penis and testicles

> did not increase in the size they are when flaccid.

>

> Now, my facial hair is almost grown in, but not around the " goatee "

> area, and body hair is beginning to grow in on my chest, but the

> flaccid size of my penis and the size of my testicles have not

increased.

>

> Does anyone know if, with continued therapy, " goatee " area facial hair

> will grow in, and if I should expect the size of my penis/testicles to

> increase?

>

> Personal experience, opinions, facts. Anything would be helpful.

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

Hi,

I also had a similar experience, though I wasn't diagnosed til I was

37. One thing that I would have done differently if I had it to do

over again was not worry so much about the body hair issue & actually

enjoy the lack of it a bit more.

Body hair also leads (quickly) to body odor - which if you're not used

to it - can be a pain. Also, while it may not seem too cool now, in a

few years, you'll be happy that you have a face that looks younger

than most.

As for your genitals, they won't ever change in size. The size thing

happens in puberty, when there's lots of human growth hormone in your

body.. and that never happens again in your lifetime. Taking it

artificially doesn't even achieve it. So, relaz about that - you are

the way you are.

Having said that, you may find that actually your balls shrink just a

bit after a few years of T - this is a natural reaction. Balls get

bigger trying to pump out T - when your body doesn't have to do it for

itself (because you're getting it from the pharmacy) then it stops

altogether, and your balls shrink as a result.

At the end of the day, it may seem harsh - but I'd honestly say, just

don't worry about it. If, instead, you focus your energy on having

great technique in bed, no one is going to care how big or small you

are. That takes lots of practice - and the only thing to say about

that is that it's best ALWAYS to be coy about how much practice you've

had.

Find yourself an older lover - say by at least 20 years - and get them

to teach you everything they know. Be interested & above all,

attentive to THEIR needs, and talk about what you're doing with them

and ESPECIALLY why.

And whatever you do, Be safe - educate yourself about sexual diseases

- don't leave that education to anyone else, ever. And educate

yourself BEFORE you get something, not afterwards. An ounce of

prevention is worth a zillion pounds of cure when it comes to sexual

diseases (especially since several have no cures).

JB

[Guest guest]

" As for your genitals, they won't ever change in size. The size thing

happens in puberty, when there's lots of human growth hormone in your

body.. and that never happens again in your lifetime. "

Is this statement really accurate?

Others on this board and meso forum have reported small increase in

girth with very marginal increase in length. This is uncommon and not

reported very often but point is (unless few others are lying) it can

happen particularly in younger people who may never have experienced

high T levels in their lifetime (may have effect on androgen receptor

numbers I don't know).

> >

> > Just wondering if anyone knows about the effects of Testosterone

> > therapy on a post-puberty male. I'm 21 years old, and a little

over 6

> > feet. I've been on testosterone therapy for just shy of a year for

> > hypogonadism. During puberty, I didn't develop facial hair, body

hair

> > aside from underarm, leg, and pubic region, and my penis and

testicles

> > did not increase in the size they are when flaccid.

> >

> > Now, my facial hair is almost grown in, but not around

the " goatee "

> > area, and body hair is beginning to grow in on my chest, but the

> > flaccid size of my penis and the size of my testicles have not

> increased.

> >

> > Does anyone know if, with continued therapy, " goatee " area facial

hair

> > will grow in, and if I should expect the size of my

penis/testicles to

> > increase?

> >

> > Personal experience, opinions, facts. Anything would be helpful.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> >

>

> Hi,

>

> I also had a similar experience, though I wasn't diagnosed til I was

> 37. One thing that I would have done differently if I had it to do

> over again was not worry so much about the body hair issue &

actually

> enjoy the lack of it a bit more.

>

> Body hair also leads (quickly) to body odor - which if you're not

used

> to it - can be a pain. Also, while it may not seem too cool now, in

a

> few years, you'll be happy that you have a face that looks younger

> than most.

>

> As for your genitals, they won't ever change in size. The size thing

> happens in puberty, when there's lots of human growth hormone in

your

> body.. and that never happens again in your lifetime. Taking it

> artificially doesn't even achieve it. So, relaz about that - you are

> the way you are.

>

> Having said that, you may find that actually your balls shrink just

a

> bit after a few years of T - this is a natural reaction. Balls get

> bigger trying to pump out T - when your body doesn't have to do it

for

> itself (because you're getting it from the pharmacy) then it stops

> altogether, and your balls shrink as a result.

>

> At the end of the day, it may seem harsh - but I'd honestly say,

just

> don't worry about it. If, instead, you focus your energy on having

> great technique in bed, no one is going to care how big or small you

> are. That takes lots of practice - and the only thing to say about

> that is that it's best ALWAYS to be coy about how much practice

you've

> had.

>

> Find yourself an older lover - say by at least 20 years - and get

them

> to teach you everything they know. Be interested & above all,

> attentive to THEIR needs, and talk about what you're doing with them

> and ESPECIALLY why.

>

> And whatever you do, Be safe - educate yourself about sexual

diseases

> - don't leave that education to anyone else, ever. And educate

> yourself BEFORE you get something, not afterwards. An ounce of

> prevention is worth a zillion pounds of cure when it comes to sexual

> diseases (especially since several have no cures).

>

> JB

>