HCG

November 25, 2005

Ron it was made to be injected IM but even Dr. says to do it subQ I have

been doing it in my leg using a 27g 5/8 " lg. needle. So one would have to say

it is going into my leg but is subQ. What kind of HCG do you have. Mine

Novarel and when I mix it I put in 10 ml's of the water. 1000 IU'g = 1 ml. so

my vial has 10,000 IU's per 10 ml's. The cost of my HCH is $40.00.

Phil

Ron <bb1fit@...> wrote:

I have a question about HCG....I know it is to be injected in the

abdomen or thereabouts, into fat. Why does it say on the package " for

intramuscular injection only? "

Also, it is supposed to be 2000IU in the vial. Now, the amp that comes

with it od sodium chloride is but 1 ml. Mixing this to reconstitute

the HCG would only yeild 1 ml. then, which is but 1 cc. This is only

1000IU, is it not?

Thanks for any responses.

December 10, 2005

Jack it is a shot.

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

Just curious...is HCG in shot form only...or does it come via pill?

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> Just curious...is HCG in shot form only...or does it come via pill?

>

I imagine you could take it orally, but it wouldn't work.

February 10, 2008

Shipping is rather high with alldaychemist, so get your arimidex and other

drugs there to save on shipping.

I have been trying to figure how hCG helps women lose weight, could it

increase their testosterone? In running this down, I read on the weight

loss pages, hCG is only good for a week, once it is mixed, any truth in

that?

kind regards david h

Re: HCG

> Arkansas,

>

> alldaychemist is an Indian source, not Canadian. Neil

>

>>

>> Thanks for providing the link to alldaychemist - they have

> good prices. Since the HCG they provide is generic (21.95 + 24.00

> shipping) it is actually cheaper than going to a pharmacy.

>>

>> I called a rep at Ferring (manufacturer of Novarel). They told me

> that the supply had been depleted but that they were going to issue

> new stock this month (February).

>>

>> Looks like shipping from alldaychemist will take 10 days to ship

> (from Canada) so I think I will wait for the Novarel since this will

> be my first injection of HCG. I also noticed however they have good

> prices on arimidex and ED drugs if anyone is interested and has a

> relatively high co-pay.

>>

>> Arkansas

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>>

February 10, 2008

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/26/2/211.pdf

The above is what I dug up, referencing life of hCG and the study seems to

indicate hCG does help in weight loss.

kind regards david h

Below are copy and paste from the above page.........................

A number of physicians using HCG in this

manner feel that once the HCG is mixed with

diluent it must not be allowed to stand at

room temperature and, even when refrigerated,

activity is uncertain after 1 week. In

this study, each vial was refrigerated and

used only 1 week after mixing. The material

was injected cold.

Summary

Twenty female patients on 500- to 550-

kcal diets receiving daily injections of 125

lu of human chorionic gonadotrophin

(HCG) were compared with 20 female patients

on 500- to 550-kcal diets receiving

placebo injections. Patients in both groups

were instructed to return for daily injections

6 days each week for a total of 36 injections

(unless desired weight was achieved prior to

this). The HCG group lost significantly more

mean weight, had a significantly greater

mean weight loss per injection, and lost a

significantly greater mean percentage of their

starting weight. The percentage of affirmative

daily patient responses indicating " little or

no hunger " and " feeling good to excellent "

was significantly greater in the HCG group

than in the placebo group. Additional investigation

0' the influence of HCG on

weight loss, hunger, and well-being seems

indicated. [i

Re: HCG

> From what I have read, HCG does not help women lose weight. There has

> been no replicable study demonstrating that.

>

> Gettin Older

>

>>

>> Shipping is rather high with alldaychemist, so get your arimidex

> and other

>> drugs there to save on shipping.

>>

>> I have been trying to figure how hCG helps women lose weight, could

> it

>> increase their testosterone? In running this down, I read on the

> weight

>> loss pages, hCG is only good for a week, once it is mixed, any

> truth in

>> that?

>> kind regards david h

>

February 10, 2008

Its anecdotal, of course, but as Ive mentioned before, a female friend

said she used HCG to lose weight effectively 20 years ago.

On Feb 10, 2008, at 6:40 PM, " appreciative dAVId "

<dhallgar@...> wrote:

> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/26/2/211.pdf

>

> The above is what I dug up, referencing life of hCG and the study

> seems to

> indicate hCG does help in weight loss.

>

> kind regards david h

>

> Below are copy and paste from the above page.........................

>

> A number of physicians using HCG in this

>

> manner feel that once the HCG is mixed with

>

> diluent it must not be allowed to stand at

>

> room temperature and, even when refrigerated,

>

> activity is uncertain after 1 week. In

>

> this study, each vial was refrigerated and

>

> used only 1 week after mixing. The material

>

> was injected cold.

>

> Summary

>

> Twenty female patients on 500- to 550-

>

> kcal diets receiving daily injections of 125

>

> lu of human chorionic gonadotrophin

>

> (HCG) were compared with 20 female patients

>

> on 500- to 550-kcal diets receiving

>

> placebo injections. Patients in both groups

>

> were instructed to return for daily injections

>

> 6 days each week for a total of 36 injections

>

> (unless desired weight was achieved prior to

>

> this). The HCG group lost significantly more

>

> mean weight, had a significantly greater

>

> mean weight loss per injection, and lost a

>

> significantly greater mean percentage of their

>

> starting weight. The percentage of affirmative

>

> daily patient responses indicating " little or

>

> no hunger " and " feeling good to excellent "

>

> was significantly greater in the HCG group

>

> than in the placebo group. Additional investigation

>

> 0' the influence of HCG on

>

> weight loss, hunger, and well-being seems

>

> indicated. [i

>

> Re: HCG

>

>> From what I have read, HCG does not help women lose weight. There has

>> been no replicable study demonstrating that.

>>

>> Gettin Older

>>

>>>

>>> Shipping is rather high with alldaychemist, so get your arimidex

>> and other

>>> drugs there to save on shipping.

>>>

>>> I have been trying to figure how hCG helps women lose weight, could

>> it

>>> increase their testosterone? In running this down, I read on the

>> weight

>>> loss pages, hCG is only good for a week, once it is mixed, any

>> truth in

>>> that?

>>> kind regards david h

>>

February 11, 2008

it certainly does work for weight loss when combined with a low cal

diet. here's a group with people using it;

HcgDieters/

i have lost 31 pounds in a month on it. a brilliant british doctor came

up with it in the 50's after realizing the hypothalamus

was responsible for weight regulation and HcG reset it. he had a clinic

in rome for years and charged thousands of dollars for it. the wealthy,

royalty, actors etc. glady paid. (ever notice how the rich tend to be

so much thinner than " regular folks " ? it ain't self-discipline)

ther were a few clinics back in the 70's in the states but were

harrassed and shut down. the billion dollar weight loss industry

doesn't want any competition, definately not from something that

actually WORKS!. the food industry wants us to be fat as fat people

consume more food and the drug companies want fat people as they are

sicker and need more drugs than healthy thin people.

google dr. simeon and go to amazon and buy kevin trudeau's book 'weight

loss cure' if you're interested.

thom

>

> Its anecdotal, of course, but as Ive mentioned before, a female

friend

> said she used HCG to lose weight effectively 20 years ago.

>

February 11, 2008

Has anyone used this alldaychemist? Are their meds safe? Pricing

sounds too good to be true.

-

-- In , " appreciative dAVId "

<dhallgar@...> wrote:

>

> Shipping is rather high with alldaychemist, so get your arimidex

and other

> drugs there to save on shipping.

>

> I have been trying to figure how hCG helps women lose weight,

could it

> increase their testosterone? In running this down, I read on the

weight

> loss pages, hCG is only good for a week, once it is mixed, any

truth in

> that?

> kind regards david h

> Re: HCG

>

> > Arkansas,

> >

> > alldaychemist is an Indian source, not Canadian. Neil

> >

> >>

> >> Thanks for providing the link to alldaychemist - they have

> > good prices. Since the HCG they provide is generic (21.95 + 24.00

> > shipping) it is actually cheaper than going to a pharmacy.

> >>

> >> I called a rep at Ferring (manufacturer of Novarel). They

told me

> > that the supply had been depleted but that they were going to

issue

> > new stock this month (February).

> >>

> >> Looks like shipping from alldaychemist will take 10 days to

ship

> > (from Canada) so I think I will wait for the Novarel since this

will

> > be my first injection of HCG. I also noticed however they have

good

> > prices on arimidex and ED drugs if anyone is interested and has a

> > relatively high co-pay.

> >>

> >> Arkansas

> >>

> >> ---------------------------------

> >> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >>

December 7, 2008

What is HCG?

I have been on T replacement since 1987 but have never heard of HCG.

Steph (Glasgow)

December 7, 2008

Thornton wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

>

> It is basically an analog to the LH your Pituitary makes. I am not sure about

the Semen production. It could be my imagination but my volume does seem to have

good up since starting HCG. I would think FSH would cause this not LH.

>

> Take a look at Dr. Crisler's papers:

>

> http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html

There is some research on the herb maca increasing semen volume.

http://www.raysahelian.com/maca.html (includes some references)

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December 7, 2008

Thanks for these links. I'm not sure if HCG would do anything for me

since being XXY means that my testes have never fully developed

anyway and remain in a pre-puberty state. However I have emailed All

Things Male and await their response before suggesting it to my endo.

Steph

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

>

> It is basically an analog to the LH your Pituitary makes. I am not

sure about the Semen production. It could be my imagination but my

volume does seem to have good up since starting HCG. I would think

FSH would cause this not LH.

>

> Take a look at Dr. Crisler's papers:

>

> http://www.allthingsmale.com/publications.html

>

> ________________________________

> From: Nick <steph_tonner@...>

>

> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:40:51 AM

> Subject: HCG

>

> What is HCG?

>

> I have been on T replacement since 1987 but have never heard of HCG.

>

> Steph (Glasgow)

>

December 7, 2008

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize it would do much for sperm but I too have

heard about pregnancy with HCG use in men. I am primary but feel better after a

HCG shot and anything I can get out of the boys is a plus.

________________________________

From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@...>

Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 12:21:24 PM

Subject: Re: HCG

Many studies have shown that LH alone can induce spermatoa w/o the

need for FSH - this is backed up simply by the fact some guys have

got their partners pregnant whilst on TRT with hCG only and not hMG

(FSH analogue). Testicles volume are 95% taken up by Sertoli cells

(needed for sperm production) - your testicles will respond to hCG

and therefore size increase won't be imagination - if primary hypo

then probably won't respond much of course

Chris

> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_chorionic_ gonadotropin

> >

> > It is basically an analog to the LH your Pituitary makes. I am

not sure about the Semen production. It could be my imagination but

my volume does seem to have good up since starting HCG. I would think

FSH would cause this not LH.

> >

> > Take a look at Dr. Crisler's papers:

> >

> > http://www.allthing smale.com/ publications. html

>

> There is some research on the herb maca increasing semen volume.

>

> http://www.raysahel ian.com/maca. html (includes some references)

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@ ...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

December 7, 2008

I would agree - even if primary might as well keep testicles

producing endogeneous testosterone whilst you are able to.

Did you have karotype test for klinefelters and/or semen test for

fertility?

Also do you get hCG prescribed or do you buy from alldayschemist for

example and self medicate?

I ask because I reckon I'm primary and would only want to do TRT

alongside hCG as do not feel good about switching my testicles off

regardless of the fact they are only churning out 300 ng/dL of TT

> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_chorionic_ gonadotropin

> > >

> > > It is basically an analog to the LH your Pituitary makes. I am

> not sure about the Semen production. It could be my imagination but

> my volume does seem to have good up since starting HCG. I would

think

> FSH would cause this not LH.

> > >

> > > Take a look at Dr. Crisler's papers:

> > >

> > > http://www.allthing smale.com/ publications. html

> >

> > There is some research on the herb maca increasing semen volume.

> >

> > http://www.raysahel ian.com/maca. html (includes some references)

> >

> > --

> >

> > Steve - dudescholar4@ ...

> >

> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> > http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html

> >

> > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

> >

>

December 7, 2008

I'm guessing you had some sort of injury/trauma to your testicles

then or at least have not been primary all your life since surely

could not have had these blood test figures and have 3 kids?

Also whats ADC..never heard of it?

Are you getting your hCG from alldaychemist? I need to find good

reputable source as would be almost impossible to obtain it via

prescription in UK.

Don't know any alternatives to arimidex apart from DIM but no idea

how effective this is at lowering estrogen compared to arimidex and

would never touch liquid versions of arimidex aptly named liquidex.

Cheers

Chris

> > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_chorionic_ gonadotropin

> > > >

> > > > It is basically an analog to the LH your Pituitary makes. I

am

> > not sure about the Semen production. It could be my imagination

but

> > my volume does seem to have good up since starting HCG. I would

> think

> > FSH would cause this not LH.

> > > >

> > > > Take a look at Dr. Crisler's papers:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.allthing smale.com/ publications. html

> > >

> > > There is some research on the herb maca increasing semen volume.

> > >

> > > http://www.raysahel ian.com/maca. html (includes some

references)

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > Steve - dudescholar4@ ...

> > >

> > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> > > http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html

> > >

> > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

> > >

> >

December 7, 2008

Take it you have no idea what your levels were before then? seems

strange just to crash w/o a known cause - what are the tablets

called? DIM seems to work well for most it would seem.

Would you say you are happy so far with TRT then? - what have you

seen as benefits from TRT injections?

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_chorionic_ gonadotropin

> > > > >

> > > > > It is basically an analog to the LH your Pituitary makes. I

> am

> > > not sure about the Semen production. It could be my imagination

> but

> > > my volume does seem to have good up since starting HCG. I would

> > think

> > > FSH would cause this not LH.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take a look at Dr. Crisler's papers:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.allthing smale.com/ publications. html

> > > >

> > > > There is some research on the herb maca increasing semen

volume.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.raysahel ian.com/maca. html (includes some

> references)

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ ...

> > > >

> > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> > > > http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html

> > > >

> > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> > > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

> > > >

> > >

December 7, 2008

Just do a search for Arimidex.

A lot of hormones tanked. I take Test., HCG, Armour, and Hydrocortisone. They

all work together and some days are better than others. I wouldn't be working if

I didn't do the hormone replacement.

________________________________

From: chrisdl2008 <chrisdl2008@...>

Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 4:55:52 PM

Subject: Re: HCG

Take it you have no idea what your levels were before then? seems

strange just to crash w/o a known cause - what are the tablets

called? DIM seems to work well for most it would seem.

Would you say you are happy so far with TRT then? - what have you

seen as benefits from TRT injections?

> > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Human_chorionic_ gonadotropin

> > > > >

> > > > > It is basically an analog to the LH your Pituitary makes. I

> am

> > > not sure about the Semen production. It could be my imagination

> but

> > > my volume does seem to have good up since starting HCG. I would

> > think

> > > FSH would cause this not LH.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take a look at Dr. Crisler's papers:

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.allthing smale.com/ publications. html

> > > >

> > > > There is some research on the herb maca increasing semen

volume.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.raysahel ian.com/maca. html (includes some

> references)

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > Steve - dudescholar4@ ...

> > > >

> > > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> > > > http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html

> > > >

> > > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> > > > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

> > > >

> > >

September 12, 2009

Sorry! It has been a long day. You are mixing 500IU/ml.

________________________________

From: Steve <dudescholar4@...>

Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:20:15 AM

Subject: Re: hcg

lawil32 wrote:

> I check ADC for hcg in vials. Was posted recently a brand hucog was in vials,

ADC advertise same but supplied in ampoules who is right

The 5000 IU hucog comes with an ampule of sodium chloride solution to

" mix " with a small vial. I throw the sodium chloride away since I'm not

doing a one time injection. I buy bac water elsewhere, and mix a ml or

two into 5000 IU HCG powder containing vial (again - the vial is too

small). I get a new empty sealed sterile 10 ml vial elsewhere and

withdraw the solution from the vial that came with the hucog package and

inject it into the new sterile vial and then add enough additional bac

water to produce 10 ml of solution in the vial. That will produce 500

IU per ml of solution per ml of solution and I inject 0.5 ml or 250 IU

twice a week. Other men only mix in 5 ml of solution total into the new

vials so that they get 1000 IU per ml of solution and then inject 0.250

ml twice per week which gives them the same 250 IU per injection.

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September 12, 2009

Yes, this dosage seems excessively high. Granted, individuals often have

varying medication needs, but a regimen of high hCG like this can cause the

Leydig cells in the testes to lose sensitivity to stimulating hormones (hCG,hMG,

LH), and thereby cease to produce sufficient testosterone in response to those

hormones. That will necessitate going on testosterone itself.

A better plan is limiting hCG use to a maximum of 1000 iu per week, dividing the

dose. The more frequent administrations, the better. I.e. 250 iu every other

day or 125 iu every day should give the testes sufficient stimulation to produce

testosterone while minimizing testicular estrogen production.

The higher dose protocol (2000 iu +) is older and resembles what bodybuilders

think they have to do in order to recover after steroid use, but recent studies

have shown it has little benefit compared to a lower dose.

~Xian

>

> http://www.norxshop.com/hcg-human-chorionic-gonadotropin-therapy-dosage.html

>

> Does the 2,000 - 12,000 IU per week recommended here seem pretty hihg?

> HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) therapy dosage

> The dose of chorionic gonadotropin will be different for different patients.

Follow your doctor's orders or the directions on the label. The following

information includes only the average doses for chorionic gonadotropin. If your

dose is different, do not change it unless your doctor tells you to do so.

> The number of doses you receive each day, the time allowed between doses, and

the length of time you receive the medicine depend on the medical problem for

which you are receiving chorionic gonadotropin.

> Informations below are for injection dosage form.

> * For treating men with problems related to low levels of male hormones:

> 1000 to 4000 Units injected into the muscle two to three times a week. You may

need to receive this medicine for several weeks, months, or longer. If you are

being treated for a low sperm count and have been on this medicine for six

months, your doctor may give you another hormone medicine (menotropin or

urofollitropin injection). You may need to receive both of these medicines

together for up to twelve more months.

September 12, 2009

> I check ADC for hcg in vials. Was posted recently a brand hucog was in vials,

ADC advertise same but supplied in ampoules who is right

>

Hi,

yea it SAYS amps... but it comes in a SMALL multiuse vial just like a little

bitty 10ml test vial... it DOES come with saline in an amp... which I don't use

and use bacteriostatic water instead.

I've been using bacteriostatic water for hcg all along... even when I was

getting it in amps... but now I've got this pile of sterile saline amps I just

can't manage to throw away... it IS sterile and all... but is there any real

reason to keep it?

September 12, 2009

>

> You are mixing at 250IU/ml if you are putting 10ml of BAC water in 5000IU of

HCG.

Hi,

I just use the little bitty multiuse vial it comes in.

1 ml of bacteriostatic water

and only pull up 250iu (.05ml) to do a TINY shot.

when between insurances I bought TEST on the international market and used a

450mg/ml Supertest and did .3ml later increasing to .4ml

I just don't see a reason to want to do a larger VOLUME shot.

September 13, 2009

Thanks for the advice.

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Re: hcg