Re: TRT Side Effects and Statin Drug

[Guest guest]

You will need to increase your Testim since 1 tube likely to be not

providing enough T for you - this happens when body stops producing

its own testosterone after few weeks on TRT - most get about 500

ng/dL TT on 7.5-10mg of Testim

> > > Im a hypogonadol male, I have been using testosterone for over

10

> > > years. The last five months I have been expereincing some side

> effects.

> > > I would assume its from the testosterone but Im not sure. I

have

> been

> > > noticing on different parts of my body I can see muscle

> breakdown. Tops

> > > of hands, biceps, and inner thighs, kinda looks concave, or

> indented

> > > and I have also expereinced some memory issues mostly short

term.

> Its

> > > seems every time a take a shot a few days later my skin starts

> this

> > > tingly itch. I have had blood work done and doctors say

> everything is

> > > okay. Im not sure if there any blood tests there not doing that

> could

> > > be the issue. I would think they know where to look, but most

of

> the

> > > doctors I have talked seem to have little knowledge in this

> field. If

> > > any one has any info that could be of help please do....thanks

> Doug

> >

> > Are you taking a statin drug?

> >

> >

> > --

> >

> > Steve - dudescholar4@

> >

> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> >

> > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Statin drugs can cause muscle wasting which will damage your kidneys in

addition to destroying a lot of muscle tissue. The side effect is part

of the warnings for statin drugs and is called rhabdomyolysis. You'll

want a CPK test.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003503.htm

http://www.google.com/search?q=CPK+statin+damage & ie=utf-8 & oe=utf-8 & aq=t & rls=org.\

mozilla:en-US:official & client=firefox-a

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000473.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis

http://www.google.com/search?q=rhabdomyolysis & ie=utf-8 & oe=utf-8 & aq=t & rls=org.moz\

illa:en-US:official & client=firefox-a

http://www.spacedoc.net/statins_muscle_damage_cost.html

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/news/statin_drugs_carry_low_risk_of_muscle_damage_\

leading_to_kidney_failure.htm

http://www.google.com/search?q=statin+muscle+damage & ie=utf-8 & oe=utf-8 & aq=t & rls=o\

rg.mozilla:en-US:official & client=firefox-a

Part of the problem at least is that statin drugs decrease the liver's

production of CoQ10 in addition to lowering cholesterol. CoQ10 is

downstream from cholesterol production. One can try supplementing CoQ10

BUT with muscle damage (if it's caused by statins) you'll want to STOP

the statins ASAP. Statins also lower testosterone.

http://www.google.com/search?q=statins+low+testosterone & ie=utf-8 & oe=utf-8 & aq=t & r\

ls=org.mozilla:en-US:official & client=firefox-a

Again, if you are loosing muscle, you should stop the statin right away

and find a specialist that deals with muscle damage from statins and to

resolve this as best you can. The muscle damage is often not reversible

and the breakdown of muscle damages the kidneys. This is the reason at

least one statin drug, Baycol, was pulled from the market because it was

killing people.

Steve

nullorchis wrote:

> RE: Statin Drug question.

> I have asked 3 doctors about Statins, testosterone, and TRT.

> They are clueless.

> Five months after starting a statin drug is when I experienced

> andropause (didn't know what hit me).

> Three months later, at a regular physical, I explained recent

> symptoms, Dr. ran T test on me, and bingo, Low T.

> At first Testim seemed to work wonders, but is now diminishing.

> Recent lab work indicates even though I am on one tube of Testim, my

> T level is clinically low again.

> I am tempted to stop the statin drug to see if any noticeable

> improvement occurs, but am hesitant to self-prescribe. Maybe if I

> just wean my self off the statin over a month, then go without it for

> a month that won't hurt.

>

>>> Im a hypogonadol male, I have been using testosterone for over 10

>>> years. The last five months I have been expereincing some side

> effects.

>>> I would assume its from the testosterone but Im not sure. I have

> been

>>> noticing on different parts of my body I can see muscle

> breakdown. Tops

>>> of hands, biceps, and inner thighs, kinda looks concave, or

> indented

>>> and I have also expereinced some memory issues mostly short term.

> Its

>>> seems every time a take a shot a few days later my skin starts

> this

>>> tingly itch. I have had blood work done and doctors say

> everything is

>>> okay. Im not sure if there any blood tests there not doing that

> could

>>> be the issue. I would think they know where to look, but most of

> the

>>> doctors I have talked seem to have little knowledge in this

> field. If

>>> any one has any info that could be of help please do....thanks

> Doug

>> Are you taking a statin drug?

>>

>>

>> --

>>

>> Steve - dudescholar4@...

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the below information. It helps provide some

confirmation that statins caused my sudden andropause. In my

particular case I didn't really notice andropause symptoms until

about 3 months after I started statins. But perhaps the symptoms

started sooner than that and I did not notice. I did not actually

know I was experiencing andropause until I discussed in a routine

physical what I had been experiencing recently.

Avoiding heart disease is important, and if loosing libido was the

only side effect of reducing heart disease risk, one needs to make a

choice.

But the other articles on muscle damage, kidney damage, leading to

death is another side effect entirely.

Since one should not necessarily trust drug companies to be

transparent about the side effects of the drugs that help make them

billions of dollars, one needs to self-evaluate benefit vs risk.

I would add that there is gross negligence in the medical field in

not doing comprehensive blood test analysis to determine all possible

side effects of statins when prescribed.

I wonder how many people on this board have stopped taking statins

and had a reversal of their hypogonadism? I know I am going to stop

taking statins to see if I can retain my strength, memory,

concentration, and yes, my libido.

Steve.

> >>> Im a hypogonadol male, I have been using testosterone for over

10

> >>> years. The last five months I have been expereincing some side

> > effects.

> >>> I would assume its from the testosterone but Im not sure. I

have

> > been

> >>> noticing on different parts of my body I can see muscle

> > breakdown. Tops

> >>> of hands, biceps, and inner thighs, kinda looks concave, or

> > indented

> >>> and I have also expereinced some memory issues mostly short

term.

> > Its

> >>> seems every time a take a shot a few days later my skin starts

> > this

> >>> tingly itch. I have had blood work done and doctors say

> > everything is

> >>> okay. Im not sure if there any blood tests there not doing that

> > could

> >>> be the issue. I would think they know where to look, but most

of

> > the

> >>> doctors I have talked seem to have little knowledge in this

> > field. If

> >>> any one has any info that could be of help please do....thanks

> > Doug

> >> Are you taking a statin drug?

> >>

> >>

> >> --

> >>

> >> Steve - dudescholar4@

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

[Guest guest]

You are a diamond. This link gives us a host of information as to how, why and

where this muscle waste/weakness may be coming from. I will study this web link

more closely over the next few days, I suggest we all do (those of us affected

by the symptoms).

Excellent stuff. It just goes to show that a problem shared, is a problem

halved!

Good night everybody, Steph

From: nullorchis <nullorchis@...>

Subject: Re: TRT Side Effects and Statin Drug

Date: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008, 1:44 PM

Thank you for the below information. It helps provide some

confirmation that statins caused my sudden andropause. In my

particular case I didn't really notice andropause symptoms until

about 3 months after I started statins. But perhaps the symptoms

started sooner than that and I did not notice. I did not actually

know I was experiencing andropause until I discussed in a routine

physical what I had been experiencing recently.

Avoiding heart disease is important, and if loosing libido was the

only side effect of reducing heart disease risk, one needs to make a

choice.

But the other articles on muscle damage, kidney damage, leading to

death is another side effect entirely.

Since one should not necessarily trust drug companies to be

transparent about the side effects of the drugs that help make them

billions of dollars, one needs to self-evaluate benefit vs risk.

I would add that there is gross negligence in the medical field in

not doing comprehensive blood test analysis to determine all possible

side effects of statins when prescribed.

I wonder how many people on this board have stopped taking statins

and had a reversal of their hypogonadism? I know I am going to stop

taking statins to see if I can retain my strength, memory,

concentration, and yes, my libido.

Steve.

> >>> Im a hypogonadol male, I have been using testosterone for

over

10

> >>> years. The last five months I have been expereincing some

side

> > effects.

> >>> I would assume its from the testosterone but Im not sure. I

have

> > been

> >>> noticing on different parts of my body I can see muscle

> > breakdown. Tops

> >>> of hands, biceps, and inner thighs, kinda looks concave, or

> > indented

> >>> and I have also expereinced some memory issues mostly short

term.

> > Its

> >>> seems every time a take a shot a few days later my skin

starts

> > this

> >>> tingly itch. I have had blood work done and doctors say

> > everything is

> >>> okay. Im not sure if there any blood tests there not doing

that

> > could

> >>> be the issue. I would think they know where to look, but most

of

> > the

> >>> doctors I have talked seem to have little knowledge in this

> > field. If

> >>> any one has any info that could be of help please

do....thanks

> > Doug

> >> Are you taking a statin drug?

> >>

> >>

> >> --

> >>

> >> Steve - dudescholar4@

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

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[Guest guest]

I've been taking Lipitor 10mg for several years. Genetic

predisposition to very high LDL runs in my family so I really don't

have much of a choice. No matter what I do, if I go off the Lipitor,

my LDL goes dangerously high. However there is likely some credence to

this article. All drugs that affect liver function can affect any of

the steroid hormones. Remember that statins don't affect cholesterol

itself, only the proteins that carry it around.

I'm going back to my regular doc soon and I'm going to see if I can go

lower on the Lipitor, cut in half 5mg. This is an ultra low dose and

hopefully the most I'll ever need. I'm convinced that my andropause

was caused by my vasectomy. I believe some damage occurred during the

procedure or an immune response attacked my testes after the

procedure. I'm feeling good now though so I'm not worried. Nice info

in this thread though.

> > >>> Im a hypogonadol male, I have been using testosterone for

> over

> 10

> > >>> years. The last five months I have been expereincing some

> side

> > > effects.

> > >>> I would assume its from the testosterone but Im not sure. I

> have

> > > been

> > >>> noticing on different parts of my body I can see muscle

> > > breakdown. Tops

> > >>> of hands, biceps, and inner thighs, kinda looks concave, or

> > > indented

> > >>> and I have also expereinced some memory issues mostly short

> term.

> > > Its

> > >>> seems every time a take a shot a few days later my skin

> starts

> > > this

> > >>> tingly itch. I have had blood work done and doctors say

> > > everything is

> > >>> okay. Im not sure if there any blood tests there not doing

> that

> > > could

> > >>> be the issue. I would think they know where to look, but most

>

> of

> > > the

> > >>> doctors I have talked seem to have little knowledge in this

> > > field. If

> > >>> any one has any info that could be of help please

> do....thanks

> > > Doug

> > >> Are you taking a statin drug?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >>

> > >> Steve - dudescholar4@

> >

> > --

> >

> > Steve - dudescholar4@

> >

> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> >

> > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

> >

>

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