Guest guest Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Nebido is not approved here in the USA I have read good and bad things about doing this shot one is it does not last as long as they say one needs to get them earlyer for the first say 3 shots until it builds up in your body. Some say this big shot can't be undone if your blood gets to think or if your Estradiol levels shoot up to high. I my self would not even try this shot if it was used here. If you go on the gel they have there you would do much better but you say you have a Adrenal and Thyroid problem. Having this for some people it makes there skin thick and the creams and gels don't get through. The following is a cut and paste of a post of a guy that tried it. From this link. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en & lr= & q=Does%20Nebido%20work. & um=1 & ie=UTF-8 & \ sa=N & tab=wg Now for your Adrenals and Thyroud first you need to get on enough Cortef HC to support your Adrenals this would be about 20 mgs 5mgs 4x's a day most do 10 mgs in the morning and 5mgs at nood and dinner. When your Adrenals are supported you then can go up on your Armour you need this to carry the Thyroid meds out of your blood into your cells so you don't feel sick going higher. Here is a link on how I did this. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24 And this link is a FAQ's about this I helped so at STTM site. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256 =========================================================================== englanddog28 emo killer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 31 Stats: 6'0 " , 210 lbs Posts: 983 BodyBlog Entries: 3 BodyPoints: 5090 Rep Power: 86 Nebido review -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok guys,it doesn't seem that anybody on this site has used Nebido,or if they have there is no feedback.I got my first shot today,so thought i'd keep this updated over the next few months,so if anyone in the future is curious,they have some info at least. Nebido is a 4ml intra muscular injection containing 1000mg of testosterone undecanoate.Supposedly this is only needed to be injected once every 12 weeks,although i have read people say 10 weeks is better.To begin with an injection is given at weeks 1,6 and 12 to get a good dose in the system.Blood work should be done a few weeks after your third shot to see where your levels are.I'm sure it's going to take a while to get everyones individual dosing just right,just like with every form of TRT.Then shots are given every 9-14 weeks depending on your levels. I just got my first shot and it really was painless,didn't feel the needle at all.When the 4ml was all in though it felt like someone had jammed a marble in my ass! It's now been 90mins since the shot and it still feels like a marble is in my ass,i'm sat down leaning to one side to take the pressure off my left butt cheek.It's not painful as such,but like a dead leg kind of dull deep ache. I'm going to bump this thread as and when things start to happen and effects are noticed.I'm running anavar at the moment for the next 5 weeks,so things like strength,fat loss or energy in the gym aren't going to be a fair comparison to begin with.Libido is zero at the moment,my joints are dry,tired in the afternoons,bad sleep etc etc,these aren't sides from the var,it's been like this for ages,so i can give a good account of Nebidos effects. If anyone has any particular questions,feel free to ask away __________________ do not repay evil with evil,for i shall repay! Romans c12:v17 Anabolic-Authority.com englanddog28 View Public Profile Send a private message to englanddog28 Find More Posts by englanddog28 Add englanddog28 to Your Contacts 01-26-2009, 11:12 AM #2 ProfBush Getting younger every day Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arkansas, United States Age: 59 Stats: 5'3 " , 169 lbs Posts: 196 BodyBlog Entries: 2 BodyPoints: 78 Rep Power: 47 Thanks for keeping us updated. ProfBush View Public Profile Send a private message to ProfBush Send email to ProfBush Find More Posts by ProfBush Add ProfBush to Your Contacts 01-26-2009, 01:51 PM #3 englanddog28 emo killer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 31 Stats: 6'0 " , 210 lbs Posts: 983 BodyBlog Entries: 3 BodyPoints: 5090 Rep Power: 86 Quote: Originally Posted by ProfBush Thanks for keeping us updated. No worries. The marble lump feeling in my ass has finally gone,it took about 4 hours. I just thought i'd better add that its probably a good idea to get someone to drive you to and from getting your shot.I drove myself and sitting down on 4mls of test in your ass pushing the clutch in and out and trying not to put any pressure on the injection site,isn't easy and actually quite painful. __________________ do not repay evil with evil,for i shall repay! Romans c12:v17 Anabolic-Authority.com englanddog28 View Public Profile Send a private message to englanddog28 Find More Posts by englanddog28 Add englanddog28 to Your Contacts 02-09-2009, 11:18 AM #4 englanddog28 emo killer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 31 Stats: 6'0 " , 210 lbs Posts: 983 BodyBlog Entries: 3 BodyPoints: 5090 Rep Power: 86 Well it's 2 weeks since my shot now and it pretty much sucks,i think the only thing keeping me going right now is the proviron.Joints did improve a little,but are now getting dry again,sleep isn't too bad,e/d is creeping in again too! Supposedly the next jab in 4 weeks is when i'll have the right amount in my system.......i guess we'll see!!! On a side note,the var started kicking in today (day 20) nice increase in energy,strength and focus in the gym but outside of the gym in everyday life,pretty lifeless!! __________________ do not repay evil with evil,for i shall repay! Romans c12:v17 Anabolic-Authority.com englanddog28 View Public Profile Send a private message to englanddog28 Find More Posts by englanddog28 Add englanddog28 to Your Contacts 02-09-2009, 07:12 PM #5 bigasssnowman 60lb Hub Pinch Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 26 Stats: 5'11 " , 234 lbs Posts: 2,415 BodyBlog Entries: 0 BodyPoints: 3694 Rep Power: 721 very interesting i've never heard of nebido before. thx for keeping us posted. __________________ most recent log; Universal - Uni Liver http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=322432721#post322432721 " The important thing is this: To be able at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become. " " If your out of breath, dizzy, feel like vomiting, can't remember your name, you are on the right road " . www.mindandmuscle.net bigasssnowman View Public Profile Send a private message to bigasssnowman Find More Posts by bigasssnowman Add bigasssnowman to Your Contacts 02-10-2009, 05:44 AM #6 BRH Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 23 Stats: 6'5 " , 254 lbs Posts: 218 BodyBlog Entries: 0 BodyPoints: 0 Rep Power: 7 I am looking forward to reading about your results on this stuff. I am currently on 2 tubes a day of Testim gel, which shoves my level up to around the 30 area (nmol/L) (10 to 30/35 range)...... My consultant has tried to push this Nebido injection every time I have met him, saying it lasts 10 to 14 weeks. Each time I have refused as I am worried about a see-saw effect on my hormone levels and symptoms..... I am also concerned that it would not provide as much testosterone as the gel. Recently I tried Testogel at the same dose as Testim (testogel is androgel in the US), and found it dropped my level to about 22nmol/L (10-30 range again), my symptoms and health were not as good even though I was in normal range........... so having got back on Testim I am reluctant to switch to Nebido, but if it works well it might be worth a go. - My other options were 2 weekly or 4 weekly injections done by a nurse, scrotal patches / normal patches or tablets!, none of these appeal for obvious reasons. __________________ Eating isn't the real problem, but we use it as an excuse to cover up what the real problem is. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by BRH; 02-10-2009 at 05:49 AM. BRH View Public Profile Send a private message to BRH Send email to BRH Find More Posts by BRH Add BRH to Your Contacts 03-12-2009, 10:01 AM #7 englanddog28 emo killer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 31 Stats: 6'0 " , 210 lbs Posts: 983 BodyBlog Entries: 3 BodyPoints: 5090 Rep Power: 86 Well,just had my second injection.....honestly the first one didn't do ****!! So im hoping that this one will bump it up in the system a bit!! Last 6 weeks,libido has been low/zero,ED,no morning wood apart from the odd occasion,but that was when i was using proviron!! nothing recently! I've started adding in my own test aswel because i got sick of waiting for this **** to kick in,so im using about 350mg of test enth a week,its only been about 3.5 weeks so far and im not noticing anything yet. __________________ do not repay evil with evil,for i shall repay! Romans c12:v17 Anabolic-Authority.com englanddog28 View Public Profile Send a private message to englanddog28 Find More Posts by englanddog28 Add englanddog28 to Your Contacts 03-12-2009, 10:36 AM #8 bigasssnowman 60lb Hub Pinch Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 26 Stats: 5'11 " , 234 lbs Posts: 2,415 BodyBlog Entries: 0 BodyPoints: 3694 Rep Power: 721 thanks for the update and keep them coming. __________________ most recent log; Universal - Uni Liver http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=322432721#post322432721 " The important thing is this: To be able at any moment to sacrifice what we are for what we could become. " " If your out of breath, dizzy, feel like vomiting, can't remember your name, you are on the right road " . www.mindandmuscle.net bigasssnowman View Public Profile Send a private message to bigasssnowman Find More Posts by bigasssnowman Add bigasssnowman to Your Contacts 05-02-2009, 06:52 AM #9 englanddog28 emo killer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 31 Stats: 6'0 " , 210 lbs Posts: 983 BodyBlog Entries: 3 BodyPoints: 5090 Rep Power: 86 Had my last self administered test prop shot (switched from enanth 4 weeks before blood draw)10 days ago and a nebido shot 9 days ago.So now im running on nebido alone! ED is back,low libido,drowsy in the mornings,tired in the afternoons,same old ****!! Blood draw is on Tuesday,results 19th May __________________ do not repay evil with evil,for i shall repay! Romans c12:v17 Anabolic-Authority.com englanddog28 View Public Profile Send a private message to englanddog28 Find More Posts by englanddog28 Add englanddog28 to Your Contacts 05-02-2009, 12:06 PM #10 BRH Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 23 Stats: 6'5 " , 254 lbs Posts: 218 BodyBlog Entries: 0 BodyPoints: 0 Rep Power: 7 Quote: Originally Posted by englanddog28 Had my last self administered test prop shot (switched from enanth 4 weeks before blood draw)10 days ago and a nebido shot 9 days ago.So now im running on nebido alone! ED is back,low libido,drowsy in the mornings,tired in the afternoons,same old ****!! Blood draw is on Tuesday,results 19th May Not good.... assuming your NHS? What tests does your doc run? Mine only ever seems to run total testosterone, LH and a thyroid function! Anyway, the general opinion is nebido @ 1 injection every 12 weeks is highly optimistic to say the least? __________________ Eating isn't the real problem, but we use it as an excuse to cover up what the real problem is. BRH View Public Profile Send a private message to BRH Send email to BRH Find More Posts by BRH Add BRH to Your Contacts 05-19-2009, 11:56 AM #11 englanddog28 emo killer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 31 Stats: 6'0 " , 210 lbs Posts: 983 BodyBlog Entries: 3 BodyPoints: 5090 Rep Power: 86 Just got back from the gym,saw my endo first......My levels 12 days after 1000mg of test undec were 24 (10-30) i did have good wood in the morning for about a week,but the last week-10days nothing,sleeping in the afternoons also,the general low test feelings! So all in all,i would advise anyone to stay away from nebido....that shot was supposed to last me another 7-8 weeks! After he told me my level and i explained to him that i been feeling ****ty again after a week of feeling ok,i said " can i tell you what i'd like to do? " " sure " " 'd like 150mg test e week,250ius HCG 2 x week and my levels checked again in 12 weeks. He said ok,ill do the test e,ive never prescribed HCG but i'll look into it and write to you about it.I explained to him about cycling it because of desensitisation and that i want kids eventually,so wanted to give myself the best fighting chance. I think i'll get it! So thats it All my other levels were fine,PSA,liver,kidneys,RBC's he said my urea was slightly elevated but nothing to worry about.I asked about my thyroid function which was 10 (7-21) so not the best thyroid in the world! He's added that to my next bloodwork to be checked again and then maybe do something with that.My endo is a ****ing legend! He may aswel have gave me his script book! The best advice i can give anyone looking into TRT is have as much knowledge as you can! I explained to him,ester weight of nebido,longer time interacting with the aromatase enzyme due to its long ester,half lifes,injection frequencies....EVERYTHING....i could tell he was impressed by my knowledge which is why i think he listened to me and gave me virtual carte blanche. So now im back on the 15th of september,which i think is about 15 weeks,for another full blood panel edit...and walked out with a script for 4 months worth of test....should run me about mmmmmm $15 __________________ do not repay evil with evil,for i shall repay! Romans c12:v17 Anabolic-Authority.com englanddog28 View Public Profile Send a private message to englanddog28 Find More Posts by englanddog28 Add englanddog28 to Your Contacts 05-19-2009, 01:23 PM #12 BRH Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: United Kingdom (Great Britain) Age: 23 Stats: 6'5 " , 254 lbs Posts: 218 BodyBlog Entries: 0 BodyPoints: 0 Rep Power: 7 Quote: Originally Posted by englanddog28 After he told me my level and i explained to him that i been feeling ****ty again after a week of feeling ok,i said " can i tell you what i'd like to do? " " sure " " 'd like 150mg test e week,250ius HCG 2 x week and my levels checked again in 12 weeks. He said ok,ill do the test e,ive never prescribed HCG but i'll look into it and write to you about it.I explained to him about cycling it because of desensitisation and that i want kids eventually,so wanted to give myself the best fighting chance. I think i'll get it! So thats it All my other levels were fine,PSA,liver,kidneys,RBC's he said my urea was slightly elevated but nothing to worry about.I asked about my thyroid function which was 10 (7-21) so not the best thyroid in the world! He's added that to my next bloodwork to be checked again and then maybe do something with that.My endo is a ****ing legend! He may aswel have gave me his script book! The best advice i can give anyone looking into TRT is have as much knowledge as you can! I explained to him,ester weight of nebido,longer time interacting with the aromatase enzyme due to its long ester,half lifes,injection frequencies....EVERYTHING....i could tell he was impressed by my knowledge which is why i think he listened to me and gave me virtual carte blanche. So now im back on the 15th of september,which i think is about 15 weeks,for another full blood panel edit...and walked out with a script for 4 months worth of test....should run me about mmmmmm $15 IS this all on the NHS? Because the thyroid thing makes no sense to me, 10 (7-21)?? All NHS docs ever run is TSH, which has a range of something like .5 to 5.0..... although for some reason here in the UK they don't treat hypothyroid until TSH is >10, which is madness because in the US most people are getting treated with a TSH of 4 or more. If your thyroid is even slightly suspect then that can cause a lot of issues and symptoms of course overlap with low test. Glad to see your doc has agreed to go with your treatment plan........ not sure if you will get the HCG because others seem to have struggled, but fingers crossed anyway.... It sounds like you practically gave your Dr a lesson in male HRT, how did he take it? lol If I had a doctor as good as yours sounds I would be a lot more willing to try shots...... trouble is I don't trust my doctor to even interpret my blood tests properly - I always ask for copies. __________________ Eating isn't the real problem, but we use it as an excuse to cover up what the real problem is. Co-Moderator Phil > From: pauljennings2008 <pauljennings2008@...> > Subject: New to Grpup > > Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:37 AM > Hi, > > I am new to this group and am hoping to get some answers on > testosterone. > > I did a testosterone blood test recently and it came back > 3421 pg/mL > (range 3,000-10,000). This confirms another test I did last > year which showed low levels. My doctor thinks this level is > too low and wants to supplement via injection every 10 > weeks. It is called Nebido and it is a long-acting depot > preparation of testosterone undecanoate. Before we start he > has asked me to do some tests - FSH, LH, Serum testosterone > - for confirmation. Is there any other tests/ screens > I need to do before embarking on testosterone therapy? I am > 32 years of age. > > I suggested a cream but he prefers this the intramuscular > injection method. > > Has anyone got any opinion on this or any experience of > using it? > > I am also autoimmune hypothyroid on 1.5 grains of Armour > thyroid and 15mg of hydrocortisone. However, I don't seem to > have recovered my health. There is definitely something else > not right, maybe low testosterone is causing my continued > poor sleep, anxiety and fatigue. > > Thanks! > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Thanks for your posting. Is Testosterone replacement something I will be doing for the rest of my life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Yes it's for life this is why I tell men to find out why they are low first in a lot of cases if you fix the problem your levels will come back up. Things like a low grade infection, high Iron levels, Adrenal and Thyroid problems even bad stress will lower ones testosterone in older men it's high levels of Estradiol. Getting Estradiol levels down to about 20 pg/ml will bring up Testosterone levels some 200 to 300 points. Co-Moderator Phil > From: pauljennings2008 <pauljennings2008@...> > Subject: Re: New to Grpup > > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:49 AM > Thanks for your posting. > Is Testosterone replacement something I will be doing for > the rest of my life? > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 And does the body's own production of testosterone fall if you take testosterone replacement? I am just a little worried that if I start I won't be able to stop > > > > > From: pauljennings2008 <pauljennings2008@...> > > Subject: Re: New to Grpup > > > > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:49 AM > > Thanks for your posting. > > Is Testosterone replacement something I will be doing for > > the rest of my life? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Yes this is why I tell men make dam sure you find out why your low before going on TRT. You can keep your Testis working by adding HCG to your TRT after you get leveled off and start to feel better. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: pauljennings2008 > <pauljennings2008@...> > > > Subject: Re: New to Grpup > > > > > > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:49 AM > > > Thanks for your posting. > > > Is Testosterone replacement something I will be > doing for > > > the rest of my life? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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