Re: BUMP raised liver count

August 6, 2009

Where I can buy DIM or TGM, please let me know

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BUMP raised liver count

Phill i just got some liver function test results back after i had that big

testo shot 2 weeks back, reandron 1000 it was, they are not good, all my liver

levels spiked and one is actually raised over the top of normal. I been using

TMG and DIM, i am taking 500mgs of TMG, is this perhaps not enough? is the

massive one off injection of 1000mgs harder on the liver than say once a week

ones? After the failure with the gels, and now this i am seriously considering

abandoning TRT. Before i was on HC i had normal testo levels, it was only once i

started that they became low, and my dhea is now barely existant. When i was on

150mgs of dhea my total testo was at the top of the range but my estrodial was

right up there with it. I am just thinking what if i go back to DHEA and take

DIM, will this perhaps solve my issues rather than al these shots which is only

eventually gonna atrophy my testicles anyway, which will then require me being

on it for life. And if am able to get off HC when my adrenals heal that would be

a terrible outcome, would mean i solved one health problem only to give me

another one, so confused as to what to do. I am seriously considering abandoning

all the thyroid treatment, heading back to t4, no HC, and no anything, just

seems to be a merry go round. In the meantime how do i get these raised liver

counts to go down? how much TMG should i be using? would milk thistle extract

help my liver? Thanks for the advice really need your help here. Shaun.

August 7, 2009

Hi Shaun,

I sent you 3 replays about this don't understand why you BUMPED it. If you need

more info try to put your questions into bullets.

We don't have Reandron 1000 here in the USA so not many men hear know about it.

There are a lot of men on it in the UK they call it Nebido. This link is to a

forum you can post to about the use of it and what men did to get it to work.

http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

I never heard of someone going on HC and getting low testosterone levels from

it. I can't say how you feel this is the cause it's not. I am sorry your going

through this and want to help but I can't tell you what to do over and above

what your Dr. is doing. I do know this once you go on TRT and are on it for a

time coming off it you crash. Taking testosterone meds shuts down your brain

from sending the LH and FSH messages you need sent to your Testis to make more

testosterone. Stopping TRT your brain does not jump back in and start sending

this message again. And when it does it will only go up to what it was before

you went on TRT so you end up back to where you started very low.

As of the HC people with over worked Adrenals need it to support it so it dose

not work so hard and can heal. This is not an over night process it takes time

most are on HC 6 months to a yr. Then they need to come off it slow to see if

there adrenals start working again. If coming off it you start to feel shaky,

weak and sick to your stomach you can't stop your adrenals are not healthy

enough to be off HC.

A good Dr. will wean one off HC then in 2 weeks retest them doing a 4x's in a

day saliva test it all is good then the Dr. would wean one off Thyroid meds then

test to see if they are working.

I don't know to many people that could do this but there are some.

Bottom line is your on TRT, HC and treating your Thyroid stay on this for 6

months then try coming off the HC if you can then try the Thyroid if all is good

stop TRT get your Dr. to give you Clomid or HCG to try to jump start your testis

again. All of this takes time you don't do this over night.

Here is a link to a friend of mine that seen Dr. and got jump started

again. He was making his own testosterone but can't say he felt better then

being on TRT. When you need to tell your Dr. is you want to try to start up

your HPTA again.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/my-pct-journal-kickstart-134243\

220.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Shaun Repacholi <shaun.repacholi@...>

> Subject: BUMP raised liver count

>

> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 9:12 PM

> Phill i just got some liver function

> test results back after i had that big testo shot 2 weeks

> back, reandron 1000 it was, they are not good, all my liver

> levels spiked and one is actually raised over the top of

> normal. I been using TMG and DIM, i am taking 500mgs of TMG,

> is this perhaps not enough? is the massive one off injection

> of 1000mgs harder on the liver than say once a week ones?

> After the failure with the gels, and now this i am seriously

> considering abandoning TRT. Before i was on HC i had normal

> testo levels, it was only once i started that they became

> low, and my dhea is now barely existant. When i was on

> 150mgs of dhea my total testo was at the top of the range

> but my estrodial was right up there with it. I am just

> thinking what if i go back to DHEA and take DIM, will this

> perhaps solve my issues rather than al these shots which is

> only eventually gonna atrophy my testicles anyway, which

> will then require me being on it for life. And if am able to

> get off HC when my adrenals heal that would be a terrible

> outcome, would mean i solved one health problem only to give

> me another one, so confused as to what to do. I am seriously

> considering abandoning all the thyroid treatment, heading

> back to t4, no HC, and no anything, just seems to be a merry

> go round. In the meantime how do i get these raised liver

> counts to go down? how much TMG should i be using? would

> milk thistle extract help my liver? Thanks for the advice

> really need your help here. Shaun.

>

August 7, 2009

I buy it off the web here are some links.

http://www.myvitanet.com/tmgtr75120ca.html

http://www.myvitanet.com/indolplex-with-dim-60-tab-phytopharmica.html

This link sends to anyone in the world.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: joar64@... <joar64@...>

> Subject: Re: BUMP raised liver count

>

> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 9:19 PM

> Where I can buy DIM or TGM, please

> let me know

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> BUMP raised liver count

>

> Phill i just got some liver function test results back

> after i had that big testo shot 2 weeks back, reandron 1000

> it was, they are not good, all my liver levels spiked and

> one is actually raised over the top of normal. I been using

> TMG and DIM, i am taking 500mgs of TMG, is this perhaps not

> enough? is the massive one off injection of 1000mgs harder

> on the liver than say once a week ones? After the failure

> with the gels, and now this i am seriously considering

> abandoning TRT. Before i was on HC i had normal testo

> levels, it was only once i started that they became low, and

> my dhea is now barely existant. When i was on 150mgs of dhea

> my total testo was at the top of the range but my estrodial

> was right up there with it. I am just thinking what if i go

> back to DHEA and take DIM, will this perhaps solve my issues

> rather than al these shots which is only eventually gonna

> atrophy my testicles anyway, which will then require me

> being on it for life. And if am able to get off HC when my

> adrenals heal that would be a terrible outcome, would mean i

> solved one health problem only to give me another one, so

> confused as to what to do. I am seriously considering

> abandoning all the thyroid treatment, heading back to t4, no

> HC, and no anything, just seems to be a merry go round. In

> the meantime how do i get these raised liver counts to go

> down? how much TMG should i be using? would milk thistle

> extract help my liver? Thanks for the advice really need

> your help here. Shaun.

>

August 7, 2009

I definitely didn't get a low T response from HC. If anything, after

about 9 months on it my DHEAs doubled since the adrenals are recovering

- hopefully. I've been taking 100 mg/day of DHEA for years and could

never get my blood work above the bottom half of the lab reference range.

Steve

philip georgian wrote:

> Hi Shaun,

>

> I sent you 3 replays about this don't understand why you BUMPED it. If you

need more info try to put your questions into bullets.

>

> We don't have Reandron 1000 here in the USA so not many men hear know about

it. There are a lot of men on it in the UK they call it Nebido. This link is

to a forum you can post to about the use of it and what men did to get it to

work.

>

> http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm

>

> I never heard of someone going on HC and getting low testosterone levels from