Re: raw diet & chemotherapy

[Guest guest]

Hello Rahul,

One of the reasons oncologists don't want people to eat raw fruits and veggies

while on chemo has to do with bacteria that might be on the fruits and veggies,

or other toxins. The chemo is going to destroy the body's ability to fight

these little bugs, so the doctors recommend patients stay away from them.

Antioxidents are not a good idea while on chemo because they may make the chemo

less effective.

Also, detoxing chemo can be very, very painful. It is my opinion that if a

patient has chosen to do chemo, then they should follow the rules of chemo.

Afterwards, the patient can resume any natural or alternative treatments.

ar

>

> Hello,

>

> Can anyone please tell me that,

>

>

> I have gone throught the diet plan of nearly all cancer hospitals and

> oncologists, All these have one thing in common about diet plan of patient

> during chemo

> They said that do not have any thing raw and you can have any food cooked or

> boiled.

>

> But the what i know that,

> Raw food is know to fight againts cancer due to its cancer killing nutrients

> which mostly destoryed after cooking,

> and raw food also contain ANTIOXIDANTS which also destoroyed on cooking, and

> their antioxidant capacity also reduces the SIDE EFFECT OF CHEMOTHERAPY upto

> some extant.

> Some superb food that are known to fight cancer are also raw, eg.

> Beet juice

> carrot jucie

> Wheat grass juice

> Pineapple

> Cucumber peel

> lemon jucie

> apple

> Strawberry,blueberry,raspberry

> Cabbage,cauliflower etc.

>

>

>

> THEN,

>

> Why oncologist says, during chemotherapy, stay away from raw food(not even

> they allowed to have fruits because they are raw) diet specially after one

> week after the chemotherapy??

>

> One should really stay away from raw food and fruits during chemotherapy ??

>

> Does raw food interfere with effectiveness of chemotherapy ??

>

>

> Thanks in advance......

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The thought that antioxidants interfere with Chemotherapy, except in a very few

situations, has been pretty much debunked in alternative circles.

From the sources I've read, from a few, this just is not the case. One of the

studies used to substantiate this claim was well gone over and it is just that,

a faulted study.

Here is some information that may help those wanting to take antioxidants.

Regardless of what you read, you should be working with someone that knows what

they are doing.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070426132954.htm

http://www.cancerdecisions.com/mrstore/index.php?main_page=product_info & cPath=2 & \

products_id=512

It is obvious that wrong information finds its way into our thinking because the

Cancer Industry carries a lot of weight when it makes statements. However, if

you do some research, you will learn which Chemo drugs may be affected. While

very few, there are some but fortunately, few. Again, you need to be working

with someone that knows this and that can help you or whomever you are trying to

help.

Your question shows you should be doing that.

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

I find it interesting that when you ask an oncologist about nutrition, they

typically maintain that nothing has been proven to help (stick with your diet --

the one you got sick on). But when you ask about raw vegetables, they suddenly

think those should be avoided while on chemo. Do they actually have any studies

of people on chemo eating raw vegetables? I doubt it. It's kind of vicious, in

a way, but oncologists make pronouncements that basically discourage patients

from making a move to a healthier diet.

>

> One of the reasons oncologists don't want people to eat raw fruits and veggies

while on chemo has to do with bacteria that might be on the fruits and veggies,

or other toxins. The chemo is going to destroy the body's ability to fight

these little bugs, so the doctors recommend patients stay away from them...

[Guest guest]

hit it on the head. They have absolutely no studies to fall back on re

diet because diet is the last thing the system is involved with. It reminds me

of my neighbor that they suggested drink plenty of 'shakes' because of his

difficulty swallowing due to radiation burns to his throat. I must admit, I

did enjoy drinking shakes when I had some dental work. I remember complaining

to my Urologist that the Lidocaine he used when inserting the Cystoscope was

Carcinogenic and him getting annoyed and his response was " everything is

carcinogenic " ????

BTW, within a year the office stopped using Lidocaine saying, " we found it

really didn't help " . Though most Oncologists may not recommend diet, when my

daughter-in-law went to the University of Miami for a second opinion re

diagnosed Breast Cancer, the professor said, " do all you can yourself.....lots

of greens in the diet " . Now, which advice makes more sense? Greens or No

Greens? Perhaps they should advise us not to breathe so we avoid airborne

germs and toxins? Talk about quackery.

Joe C.

I find it interesting that when you ask an oncologist about nutrition, they

typically maintain that nothing has been proven to help (stick with your diet --

the one you got sick on). But when you ask about raw vegetables, they suddenly

think those should be avoided while on chemo. Do they actually have any studies

of people on chemo eating raw vegetables? I doubt it. It's kind of vicious, in a

way, but oncologists make pronouncements that basically discourage patients from

making a move to a healthier diet.

>

> One of the reasons oncologists don't want people to eat raw fruits and veggies

while on chemo has to do with bacteria that might be on the fruits and veggies,

or other toxins. The chemo is going to destroy the body's ability to fight these

little bugs, so the doctors recommend patients stay away from them...

[Guest guest]

I think it is important to note that there is a difference between what you

should eat while doing chemo, and what you should eat after chemo is finished.

If an onc asks you to not eat fruits and veggies during chemo, that's a whole

lot different than him saying to not eat them ever, or that it doesn't matter.

Remember, veggie raw foodist here who developed cancer anyway.

As a raw foodist of long standing (I did not do chemo), I know that people who

have had chemo and then switch to a raw food diet, can have horrible detox

symptoms. I know one woman who waited until she was a year out of chemo to do a

cleanse. She became so ill she almost had to go to the hospital. When you do a

detox, you need to be mindful of what your body has been through and understand

that you may have to go through it again in some way, shape, or form. When I

first switched to raw foods, the six month detox was not pleasant. I cannot

imagine doing that after chemo.

Also, oncologists often suggest that you make no changes to your diet during

treatment because dosages of radiation and chemo may be based on your weight.

They don't want you losing a lot of weight. I had to be weighed weekly while

doing radiation in order to show I was maintaining my weight.

ar

[Guest guest]

When the discussion started it had nothing to do with detoxing but simply,

specific advice to not eat vegetables and fruit. when doing chemotherapy and my

post was just a response to:

" One of the reasons oncologists don't want people to eat raw fruits and veggies

while on chemo has to do with bacteria that might be on the fruits and veggies,

or other toxins. The chemo is going to destroy the body's ability to fight these

little bugs, so the doctors recommend patients stay away from them... "

The discussion is slipping away from whether or not an Oncologist was justified

in giving advice to avoid these often recommended foods and I attempted to point

out that it is just opinion about this and I countered that Oncologist with a

professor of Oncology at a University that said, " do all you can yourself and

eat plenty of greens " . as well as a couple of links to contrary opinions that

make more sense that the advice to " keep away from vegetables " . It seems the

original question came as the result of the Chemotherapy and Antioxidant issue

not germs and toxins.

While many people have survived using Chemotherapy, their own people have

admitted that " Chemotherapy doesn't work and something else needs to be done " .

That is almost a word for word quote taken from the Australian Oncologists that

studied Chemotherapy results both in The United States as well as Australia.

The conclusion in their study was that there was only 2% of the people that

benefited from its use. This doesn't negate the fact that there are a couple of

cancers that respond well to Chemotherapy.

Most of us that follow Alternative protocols have come to the conclusion that

The War on Cancer is generally considered a failure and that being the case, why

would we want to accept their advice to avoid vegetables or fruit? Again,

there are always exceptions and though vegetarians get cancer, it is generally

accepted in all circles that eating more vegetables and fruit is generally

better. We get this concept thrown at us regularly. There are those on this

list that know which cancers do respond better to Chemotherapy but again, I

don't think we are going to hear about too many of them and If I remember

correctly, someone suggested those cancer respond well to Alternative as well.

The more we discuss these subjects the more it seems we need to have advice from

people that work with cancer patients and just use the average response on this

list as a reason to do more research. Most of us can only give our opinions

sometimes based upon what we experienced which may or may not have a bearing on

one's own situation. Some of what I said in both posts have source references

and that is where my opinion comes from. People have to then check out those

sources and weigh them before making decisions.

The links I provided had source material but as another Professor of Orthopedics

told my wife, " eventually it is all opinion " because studies have limitations

and one can search until they find an opinion that fits their own belief system.

My mind is pretty well made up because of the 40 year war on cancer and the

Obituary column I read every day. eat our veggies until proven why you should

not. Proven that is.

Joe C.

From: arlynsg

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:46 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw diet & chemotherapy

I think it is important to note that there is a difference between what you

should eat while doing chemo, and what you should eat after chemo is finished.

If an onc asks you to not eat fruits and veggies during chemo, that's a whole

lot different than him saying to not eat them ever, or that it doesn't matter.

Remember, veggie raw foodist here who developed cancer anyway.

As a raw foodist of long standing (I did not do chemo), I know that people who

have had chemo and then switch to a raw food diet, can have horrible detox

symptoms. I know one woman who waited until she was a year out of chemo to do a

cleanse. She became so ill she almost had to go to the hospital. When you do a

detox, you need to be mindful of what your body has been through and understand

that you may have to go through it again in some way, shape, or form. When I

first switched to raw foods, the six month detox was not pleasant. I cannot

imagine doing that after chemo.

Also, oncologists often suggest that you make no changes to your diet during

treatment because dosages of radiation and chemo may be based on your weight.

They don't want you losing a lot of weight. I had to be weighed weekly while

doing radiation in order to show I was maintaining my weight.

ar

[Guest guest]

Yes we know that there is a problem with bacteria on fresh fruits and

veggies...but there is no reason not to steam then and eat as much as you want.

But that is if you choose to do chemo. If you choose to do the Gerson therapy

then you need to make certain your veggies and fruit are from a reliable

source...either way I've yet to decide what to do.

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From: JoeCastron <jcastron1@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: raw diet & chemotherapy

Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 1:30 PM

 

When the discussion started it had nothing to do with detoxing but simply,

specific advice to not eat vegetables and fruit. when doing chemotherapy and my

post was just a response to:

" One of the reasons oncologists don't want people to eat raw fruits and veggies

while on chemo has to do with bacteria that might be on the fruits and veggies,

or other toxins. The chemo is going to destroy the body's ability to fight these

little bugs, so the doctors recommend patients stay away from them... "

The discussion is slipping away from whether or not an Oncologist was justified

in giving advice to avoid these often recommended foods and I attempted to point

out that it is just opinion about this and I countered that Oncologist with a

professor of Oncology at a University that said, " do all you can yourself and

eat plenty of greens " . as well as a couple of links to contrary opinions that

make more sense that the advice to " keep away from vegetables " . It seems the

original question came as the result of the Chemotherapy and Antioxidant issue

not germs and toxins.

While many people have survived using Chemotherapy, their own people have

admitted that " Chemotherapy doesn't work and something else needs to be done " .

That is almost a word for word quote taken from the Australian Oncologists that

studied Chemotherapy results both in The United States as well as Australia. The

conclusion in their study was that there was only 2% of the people that

benefited from its use. This doesn't negate the fact that there are a couple of

cancers that respond well to Chemotherapy.

Most of us that follow Alternative protocols have come to the conclusion that

The War on Cancer is generally considered a failure and that being the case, why

would we want to accept their advice to avoid vegetables or fruit? Again, there

are always exceptions and though vegetarians get cancer, it is generally

accepted in all circles that eating more vegetables and fruit is generally

better. We get this concept thrown at us regularly. There are those on this list

that know which cancers do respond better to Chemotherapy but again, I don't

think we are going to hear about too many of them and If I remember correctly,

someone suggested those cancer respond well to Alternative as well.

The more we discuss these subjects the more it seems we need to have advice from

people that work with cancer patients and just use the average response on this

list as a reason to do more research. Most of us can only give our opinions

sometimes based upon what we experienced which may or may not have a bearing on

one's own situation. Some of what I said in both posts have source references

and that is where my opinion comes from. People have to then check out those

sources and weigh them before making decisions.

The links I provided had source material but as another Professor of Orthopedics

told my wife, " eventually it is all opinion " because studies have limitations

and one can search until they find an opinion that fits their own belief system.

My mind is pretty well made up because of the 40 year war on cancer and the

Obituary column I read every day. eat our veggies until proven why you should

not. Proven that is.

Joe C.

From: arlynsg

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:46 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw diet & chemotherapy

I think it is important to note that there is a difference between what you

should eat while doing chemo, and what you should eat after chemo is finished.

If an onc asks you to not eat fruits and veggies during chemo, that's a whole

lot different than him saying to not eat them ever, or that it doesn't matter.

Remember, veggie raw foodist here who developed cancer anyway.

As a raw foodist of long standing (I did not do chemo), I know that people who

have had chemo and then switch to a raw food diet, can have horrible detox

symptoms. I know one woman who waited until she was a year out of chemo to do a

cleanse. She became so ill she almost had to go to the hospital. When you do a

detox, you need to be mindful of what your body has been through and understand

that you may have to go through it again in some way, shape, or form. When I

first switched to raw foods, the six month detox was not pleasant. I cannot

imagine doing that after chemo.

Also, oncologists often suggest that you make no changes to your diet during

treatment because dosages of radiation and chemo may be based on your weight.

They don't want you losing a lot of weight. I had to be weighed weekly while

doing radiation in order to show I was maintaining my weight.

ar

[Guest guest]

not only after steaming the veggies or fruit you can drink the broth - make sure

you use distilled water.

Lachelle

 

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From: Rahul yadav <rahulyadav4785@...>

Subject: [ ] raw diet & chemotherapy

Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 5:55 AM

 

Hello,

Can anyone please tell me that,

I have gone throught the diet plan of nearly all cancer hospitals and

oncologists, All these have one thing in common about diet plan of patient

during chemo

They said that do not have any thing raw and you can have any food cooked or

boiled.

But the what i know that,

Raw food is know to fight againts cancer due to its cancer killing nutrients

which mostly destoryed after cooking,

and raw food also contain ANTIOXIDANTS which also destoroyed on cooking, and

their antioxidant capacity also reduces the SIDE EFFECT OF CHEMOTHERAPY upto

some extant.

Some superb food that are known to fight cancer are also raw, eg.

Beet juice

carrot jucie

Wheat grass juice

Pineapple

Cucumber peel

lemon jucie

apple

Strawberry,blueberr y,raspberry

Cabbage,cauliflower etc.

THEN,

Why oncologist says, during chemotherapy, stay away from raw food(not even

they allowed to have fruits because they are raw) diet specially after one

week after the chemotherapy? ?

One should really stay away from raw food and fruits during chemotherapy ??

Does raw food interfere with effectiveness of chemotherapy ??

Thanks in advance..... .

[Guest guest]

I think its interesting that an oncologist would be afraid of fresh fruits and

veggies, but not concerned with your intake of hormone-injected meats, sugar and

artificial sweeteners, fried chicken and french fries, etc., lol. But the

bacteria on raw foods which are usually washed before eating is what they're

worried about? My oncologist - I should say, former oncologist because I walked

out of his office and never went back - didn't utter a word about my diet. He

was too busy trying to get me signed up for chemo and to go to the hospital and

get a port installed. For all he knew, I was leaving there to go to Mcdonalds,

which I probably did because it wasn't until a few days later when the fog

cleared that I started doing my research on natural treatments. But honestly, I

guess if you've decided to go with chemo then it really shouldn't matter what

you eat because you're going to put poisonous mustard gas toxins into your

veins, what harm can a raw carrot do?

>

> THEN,

>

> Why oncologist says, during chemotherapy, stay away from raw food(not even

> they allowed to have fruits because they are raw) diet specially after one

> week after the chemotherapy??

>

> One should really stay away from raw food and fruits during chemotherapy ??

>

> Does raw food interfere with effectiveness of chemotherapy ??

>

>

> Thanks in advance......

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> One of the reasons oncologists don't want people to eat raw fruits

> and veggies while on chemo has to do with bacteria that might be

> on the fruits and veggies, or other toxins. The chemo is going to

> destroy the body's ability to fight these little bugs, so the doctors

> recommend patients stay away from them.

Usually these bugs are a minor problem. It's the human infections that

are of more concern. Following the suggestions below can probably

significantly reduce this risk. LDN, low dose naltrexone would be a good

choice too.

> Antioxidents are not a good idea while on chemo because they may make

the chemo less effective.

I get tired of hearing this kind of nonsense. This is complete opinion

with no hard facts to back it up. Take a look at all the clinical work

that shows that high doses of antioxidants and vitamins in combination

will reduce the side effects of chemo and often enhance the

effectiveness. It usually allows patients to complete the full course of

chemotherapy and reduce the risks of long term side effects. The key is

to take high doses of key nutrients like vitamin E (succinate would be

best probably or in combination with regular E), vitamin C, selenium,

coenzyme Q10, vitamin A, vitamin D3, melatonin, quercetin, bromelains,

lipoic acid, EGCG, fish oil, Maitake, AHCC, some B complex, Milk Thistle

etc etc.

STUDY:

Impact of antioxidant supplementation on chemotherapeutic efficacy: A

systematic review of the evidence from randomized controlled trials

http://www.glutathioneexperts.com/pdfs/glutathione-cancer-8.pdf

" From the 19 studies included in this review, no evidence was found that

supported concerns that antioxidant supplementation given concurrently

with ROS-generating chemotherapy diminished the efficacy of the

chemotherapy in study populations comprising mostly advanced or relapsed

patients. In contrast, 17 of the 19 RCTs included in this review showed

either a statistically significant advantage or nonsignificantly

higher survival and/or treatment response in those patients given

antioxidants. "

> It is my opinion that if a patient has chosen to do chemo, then

> they should follow the rules of chemo. Afterwards, the patient can

> resume any natural or alternative treatments.

> ar

There are no such " rules " of chemo. Oncologists haven't spent much time

reading the research that's available. What's more, chemo isn't that

effective generally. The current treatment system can't continue as it

is. It's crying out for enhancement and changes. High doses of

antioxidants and vitamins is one such possibility. If it's done right,

the results can be very good and it can improve quality of life too.

From my real world experience with breast cancer, we found no

interference taking high doses of antioxidants, vitamins, nutrients and

juicing while doing chemotherapy. Quite the opposite, the results were

very good and surprised the oncologist with fast tumor shrinkage.

Waiting until afterwards to do complementary medicine is too late. When

you look at the *clinical* research, better results are when the

complementary therapies are started before chemotherapy as protection.

Anything taken soon afterwards might help repair the damage. Preventing

as much damage as possible is a good approach.

So do your own research and don't sucked into doing everything your

oncologist says.

> Remember, veggie raw foodist here who developed cancer anyway.

That might suggest to me that a vegetarian diet might not be the ideal

diet it's made out to be. There aren't many long living cultures in the

world who ate vegetarian. A vegetarian diet is probably best as a

cleansing diet in times of disease for short periods of time, rather

than as a long term eating style.

[Guest guest]

> > Remember, veggie raw foodist here who developed cancer anyway.

>

> That might suggest to me that a vegetarian diet might not be the ideal

> diet it's made out to be. There aren't many long living cultures in the

> world who ate vegetarian. A vegetarian diet is probably best as a

> cleansing diet in times of disease for short periods of time, rather

> than as a long term eating style.

>

No, the only thing it suggests is that diet alone will not cure all that ails

you. Cancer plays by its own rules.

I am allergic to chicken, eggs, turkey, fish, shell fish, so eating those foods

made me quite ill. I was overweight, bloated, and very, very sick. I'm much

healthier now.

How are you? How's your wife doing? I think of you guys often.

ar

[Guest guest]

Oh dear, did I miss something at the hospital? I'm hopeless. I've been eating my

salads and fruit, just as usual.

The big worry is bugs. If food has been cooked through, it should kill all the

bugs.

Hopefully it's OK for me to eat some raw foods, carefully cleaned, cos I have

been. Maybe it depends on the type of chemo.

I know hygiene is VERY important.

Cheers,

Audrey

>

> One should really stay away from raw food and fruits during chemotherapy ??

>

> Does raw food interfere with effectiveness of chemotherapy ??

>

> Thanks in advance..... .

>

>

[Guest guest]

First order of the day. If you are able to eat good, organic greens, do not

hesitate because of anything you may have read. You've got more 'bugs'

floating around in the Oncologist's office and your surroundings than what is on

your vegetables after proper cleaning.

Nutrition is important when 'assaulting' your body with Chemotherapy.

Joe C.

From: audrey

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:32 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: raw diet & chemotherapy

Oh dear, did I miss something at the hospital? I'm hopeless. I've been eating my

salads and fruit, just as usual.

The big worry is bugs. If food has been cooked through, it should kill all the

bugs.

Hopefully it's OK for me to eat some raw foods, carefully cleaned, cos I have

been. Maybe it depends on the type of chemo.

I know hygiene is VERY important.

Cheers,

Audrey

>

> One should really stay away from raw food and fruits during chemotherapy ??

>

> Does raw food interfere with effectiveness of chemotherapy ??

>

> Thanks in advance..... .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Audrey,

Just keep cleaning everything carefully.

ar

>

> Oh dear, did I miss something at the hospital? I'm hopeless. I've been eating

my salads and fruit, just as usual.

> The big worry is bugs. If food has been cooked through, it should kill all the

bugs.

> Hopefully it's OK for me to eat some raw foods, carefully cleaned, cos I have

been. Maybe it depends on the type of chemo.

> I know hygiene is VERY important.

> Cheers,

> Audrey

> >

> > One should really stay away from raw food and fruits during chemotherapy ??

> >

> > Does raw food interfere with effectiveness of chemotherapy ??

> >

> > Thanks in advance..... .

> >

> >