A question RE: clomid dose [was: Re: On treatment and still feeling crappy?]

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Mike it's not the Clomid that raise estradiol it's the Testosterone the Clomid

that makes your testis make more testosterone. Most Dr.'s don't know you can't

test Estradiol on Clomid it always shows low. You need to be off it a good 2

weeks to test it. I would get your E2 tested and see how it looks off clomid

some men have a rebound effect with E2 coming off Clomid.

Mike <wolfyma@...> wrote: Hi guys,

Thanks for all the responses. I'll bring up the E2 issue with my

urologist and ask for some numbers.

FYI, I've been off of Clomid now since end of October and on Testim

gel since end of November. The uncomfortable symptoms are the same in

both cases.

Also, from what I understand Clomid does not raise E2. I seem to

recall a study of its effects in men citing that it keeps E2 on the

low side.

Mike

> > > >

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > It's been a while since I've posted. Long story short: went on

> Clomid

> > > > last summer after 3 blood tests on separate dates revealed low

free

> > > > testosterone (though low-normal total T - around 380). Clomid

raised

> > > > my free and total T levels but I felt like crap, very sleepy every

> > > > day, depressed, irritable. There was some improvement in

sexual side

> > > > effects including morning erections and more reliable orgasms.

> > > >

> > > > Switched to TRT gel in November on the theory that maybe the

Clomid

> > > > was causing the issues. But here I am in late Feb after 3

months on

> > > > TRT and the sleepiness and depression continue. It's very weird. I

> > > > sometimes start the day feeling great, good mood, energetic.

But by

> > > > mid-afternoon it's like a switch goes off.

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone else experienced this? My doc said my E2 levels

were very

> > > > low while on Clomid (but I didn't get the exact reading). I'm

> guessing

> > > > they're higher now since I'm on Testim, but the same symptoms

> > > > continue. Doc also ruled out infection and apnea as causes of the

> > > fatigue.

> > > >

> > > > Can testosterone trigger or worsen depression? I'm pretty

> disappointed

> > > > since I was expecting to feel generally hornier and in a

better mood

> > > > more often than not. But instead, I'm marginally better in

terms of

> > > > sexual functioning but much more prone to depressed episodes and

> mood

> > > > swings.

> > > >

> > > > Any insights you could offer would be appreciated, especially if

> > > > you've experienced this yourself. I've got a follow up with my

> > > > urologist next month and am in contact with my primary care about

> > > > continuing to rule out other stuff...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Mike;

Have you had a thyroid work up T3, T4 and TSH......?

T4 that is on the lower side of normal range will cause major depression. I went

thru it for years and my T4 was in the low normal range.

TSH was 42[high enough to explode my head] and it should have been less than 2.

Doctor did not know where to give me synthroid or not since my T4 was in range.

I finally got the Synthroid and the depression went away. It stays away until I

forget to take my synthroid a couple days.

kissie

A question RE: clomid dose [was: Re: On treatment and

still feeling crappy?]

Hi guys,

Thanks for all the responses. I'll bring up the E2 issue with my

urologist and ask for some numbers.

FYI, I've been off of Clomid now since end of October and on Testim

gel since end of November. The uncomfortable symptoms are the same in

both cases.

Also, from what I understand Clomid does not raise E2. I seem to

recall a study of its effects in men citing that it keeps E2 on the

low side.

Mike

> > > >

> > > > Hi guys,

> > > >

> > > > It's been a while since I've posted. Long story short: went on

> Clomid

> > > > last summer after 3 blood tests on separate dates revealed low

free

> > > > testosterone (though low-normal total T - around 380). Clomid

raised

> > > > my free and total T levels but I felt like crap, very sleepy every

> > > > day, depressed, irritable. There was some improvement in

sexual side

> > > > effects including morning erections and more reliable orgasms.

> > > >

> > > > Switched to TRT gel in November on the theory that maybe the

Clomid

> > > > was causing the issues. But here I am in late Feb after 3

months on

> > > > TRT and the sleepiness and depression continue. It's very weird. I

> > > > sometimes start the day feeling great, good mood, energetic.

But by

> > > > mid-afternoon it's like a switch goes off.

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone else experienced this? My doc said my E2 levels

were very

> > > > low while on Clomid (but I didn't get the exact reading). I'm

> guessing

> > > > they're higher now since I'm on Testim, but the same symptoms

> > > > continue. Doc also ruled out infection and apnea as causes of the

> > > fatigue.

> > > >

> > > > Can testosterone trigger or worsen depression? I'm pretty

> disappointed

> > > > since I was expecting to feel generally hornier and in a

better mood

> > > > more often than not. But instead, I'm marginally better in

terms of

> > > > sexual functioning but much more prone to depressed episodes and

> mood

> > > > swings.

> > > >

> > > > Any insights you could offer would be appreciated, especially if

> > > > you've experienced this yourself. I've got a follow up with my

> > > > urologist next month and am in contact with my primary care about

> > > > continuing to rule out other stuff...

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Mike,

Watch out, the info about Clomid not raising E2 is not correct,

Clomid " masks " E2 from your pituitary and some other tissues (like

breast tissue), that's why it makes your pituitary produces LH even

if you have high E2 levels, and that's why it is taken for

gynecomastia as it blocks E2 from affecting breast tissue. But it

doesn't decrease E2 blood level per se.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi guys,

> > > > >

> > > > > It's been a while since I've posted. Long story short: went

on

> > Clomid

> > > > > last summer after 3 blood tests on separate dates revealed

low

> free

> > > > > testosterone (though low-normal total T - around 380).

Clomid

> raised

> > > > > my free and total T levels but I felt like crap, very

sleepy every

> > > > > day, depressed, irritable. There was some improvement in

> sexual side

> > > > > effects including morning erections and more reliable

orgasms.

> > > > >

> > > > > Switched to TRT gel in November on the theory that maybe the

> Clomid

> > > > > was causing the issues. But here I am in late Feb after 3

> months on

> > > > > TRT and the sleepiness and depression continue. It's very

weird. I

> > > > > sometimes start the day feeling great, good mood, energetic.

> But by

> > > > > mid-afternoon it's like a switch goes off.

> > > > >

> > > > > Has anyone else experienced this? My doc said my E2 levels

> were very

> > > > > low while on Clomid (but I didn't get the exact reading).

I'm

> > guessing

> > > > > they're higher now since I'm on Testim, but the same

symptoms

> > > > > continue. Doc also ruled out infection and apnea as causes

of the

> > > > fatigue.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can testosterone trigger or worsen depression? I'm pretty

> > disappointed

> > > > > since I was expecting to feel generally hornier and in a

> better mood

> > > > > more often than not. But instead, I'm marginally better in

> terms of

> > > > > sexual functioning but much more prone to depressed

episodes and

> > mood

> > > > > swings.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any insights you could offer would be appreciated,

especially if

> > > > > you've experienced this yourself. I've got a follow up with

my

> > > > > urologist next month and am in contact with my primary care

about

> > > > > continuing to rule out other stuff...

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mike

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>