Re: Extemely Low T - Other Boards

[Guest guest]

Hi Manterno

The 2 does, or certainly did, refer to Secondary Hypogonadism and the library

information

on should state that. One or two of the earlier primary Hypogonadism

boards have

almost stopped - the Primary one run by Nick O'Hara is at:

hypogonadism@...

http://lists.topica.com/lists/hypogonadism

For his website for Primary Hypogonadism and for those who have had their

testicles

removed:

http://www.androids.org.uk/

Some of the guys here are on both, as I am, and guys like Phil for many years. I

think Phil

will say he was disgnosed for some years as Primary but then told he might

benefit from

HCG and that he may not be truly Primary but Phil will say if he responds here.

Good Luck!

Take care,

PS: Happy New Year to those I have not spoken with so far this year!

On 11 Jan 2008 at 15:45, wrote:

> There are 9 messages in this issue.

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> 3a. Re: Extremely Low T

> Posted by: " Randle " peter_randle@... peter_randle2003

> Date: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:10 am ((PST))

>

>

> > The guidelines were written by Testosterone/hypogonadism specialists. the

> > problems is the vast majority of endocrinologists see very little

> > hypogonadism and their time and reading is bound up in diabetes, thyroids,

> > and female issues. It's very hard to find one knowledgable or up to date

> > in male hypogonadism issues.

>

>

> Hi there

>

> I think this is extremely important to have clarified.

>

> Testosterone/Hypogonadism specialists are Endocrinologists. The AACE

guide-lines were

> written by clinical endocrinologists accepted by the AACE.

>

> Endocrinology is a very wide field. If you have a heart problem as there is

only one heart

> you ask for a heart specialist. However Endocrinology covers many, many glands

and each

> interacts to some extent and so firstly you need the topic heading

Endocrinology and THEN

> the actual gland. A Pituitary Endocrinologist may very well not be the guy to

see if you have

> Thyroid and if you have a pituitary problem you do not want to see a Thyroid

specialist if

> you can help it.

>

> If you read my post now and a few years ago it remains the same including AACE

guide-

> lines - they were written by ENDOCRINOLOGISTS. The next stage is to find that

the

> Endocrinologist you are considering is at a Medical Teaching School and

teaching medics -

> not just a endocrinologist in a backwater with lots of patients from all sorts

of illnesses. Next

> I would suggest even a google scholar search to find if they have contributed

to medical

> research in the area you need help with.

>

> This board is for Hypogonadism 2 (and in some respects 3) which is mainly

Pituitary and

> Hypothalamus aetiology of Hypogonadism. Of course all are welcome here and

some

> Primary Hypogonadism cases are helped here but a separate board is there for

such

> Primary cases.

>

> Just to repeat it is not sufficient to look for an endocrinologist but neither

is it initially the

> best case to find someone not qualified because most of us have had bad

experiences. The

> world has a lot of medics and each country may have local differences. When

needing help

> it is not sufficient to just find an endocrinologist as the subject area is

vast. Also it is not

> sufficient just to find someone who has studied endocrinology and the gland

you have

> problems with. It is very important to try and get a top guy who teaching in

the subject, has

> lots of similar patients as yourself and perhaps who contributes to good

quality research.

> Such medics are difficult to find hence one reason for posted messages here.

>

> Kind regards,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On 10 Jan 2008 at 15:35, wrote:

>

> > There are 15 messages in this issue.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am also frustrated and depressed over my 6 year

cough, saliva production and colds.

I am so upset, it is so hard, I am never happy, and

what hurts is when I see other people my age enjoying

life, it really hurts.

I am learning on the realthyroidhelp.com site.

This is my post, leading to the coughing aspect, etc.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=3001

I need more medicinces and scans, but I am scared if

the ENT doctor turns out to be another one who does

not care. I really want all my the 3 doctors to help

me.

I am also focused on the ENT aspect, as the symptons

tire my life and socializing. (NOT TO FORGET MY OTHER

SEXUAL PROBLEMS ETC, I HAVE NO FRIENDS, NOTHING

ANYMORE, AND I DO NOT LIKE TO TALK TO PPL, AS THEY

ASK, " SO WHAT ARE YOU NOW " etc, as I am dropping out

of school, depressed, no friends, I am scared).

--- Randle <peter_randle@...> wrote:

> Hi Manterno

>

> The 2 does, or certainly did, refer to Secondary

> Hypogonadism and the library information

> on should state that. One or two of the

> earlier primary Hypogonadism boards have

> almost stopped - the Primary one run by Nick O'Hara

> is at:

>

> hypogonadism@...

>

> http://lists.topica.com/lists/hypogonadism

>

> For his website for Primary Hypogonadism and for

> those who have had their testicles

> removed:

>

> http://www.androids.org.uk/

>

> Some of the guys here are on both, as I am, and guys

> like Phil for many years. I think Phil

> will say he was disgnosed for some years as Primary

> but then told he might benefit from

> HCG and that he may not be truly Primary but Phil

> will say if he responds here.

>

> Good Luck!

> Take care,

>

> PS: Happy New Year to those I have not spoken with

> so far this year!

>

>

>

>

> On 11 Jan 2008 at 15:45,

> wrote:

>

> > There are 9 messages in this issue.

> >

> > Topics in this digest:

> >

> >

>

________________________________________________________________________

> >

>

________________________________________________________________________

> >

> > 3a. Re: Extremely Low T

> > Posted by: " Randle "

> peter_randle@... peter_randle2003

> > Date: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:10 am ((PST))

> >

> >

> > > The guidelines were written by

> Testosterone/hypogonadism specialists. the

> > > problems is the vast majority of

> endocrinologists see very little

> > > hypogonadism and their time and reading is bound

> up in diabetes, thyroids,

> > > and female issues. It's very hard to find one

> knowledgable or up to date

> > > in male hypogonadism issues.

> >

> >

> > Hi there

> >

> > I think this is extremely important to have

> clarified.

> >

> > Testosterone/Hypogonadism specialists are

> Endocrinologists. The AACE guide-lines were

> > written by clinical endocrinologists accepted by

> the AACE.

> >

> > Endocrinology is a very wide field. If you have a

> heart problem as there is only one heart

> > you ask for a heart specialist. However

> Endocrinology covers many, many glands and each

> > interacts to some extent and so firstly you need

> the topic heading Endocrinology and THEN

> > the actual gland. A Pituitary Endocrinologist may

> very well not be the guy to see if you have

> > Thyroid and if you have a pituitary problem you do

> not want to see a Thyroid specialist if

> > you can help it.

> >

> > If you read my post now and a few years ago it

> remains the same including AACE guide-

> > lines - they were written by ENDOCRINOLOGISTS. The

> next stage is to find that the

> > Endocrinologist you are considering is at a

> Medical Teaching School and teaching medics -

> > not just a endocrinologist in a backwater with

> lots of patients from all sorts of illnesses. Next

> > I would suggest even a google scholar search to

> find if they have contributed to medical

> > research in the area you need help with.

> >

> > This board is for Hypogonadism 2 (and in some

> respects 3) which is mainly Pituitary and

> > Hypothalamus aetiology of Hypogonadism. Of course

> all are welcome here and some

> > Primary Hypogonadism cases are helped here but a

> separate board is there for such

> > Primary cases.

> >

> > Just to repeat it is not sufficient to look for an

> endocrinologist but neither is it initially the

> > best case to find someone not qualified because

> most of us have had bad experiences. The

> > world has a lot of medics and each country may

> have local differences. When needing help

> > it is not sufficient to just find an

> endocrinologist as the subject area is vast. Also it

> is not

> > sufficient just to find someone who has studied

> endocrinology and the gland you have

> > problems with. It is very important to try and get

> a top guy who teaching in the subject, has

> > lots of similar patients as yourself and perhaps

> who contributes to good quality research.

> > Such medics are difficult to find hence one reason

> for posted messages here.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 10 Jan 2008 at 15:35,

> wrote:

> >

> > > There are 15 messages in this issue.

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> > Messages in this topic (3)

> >

>

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> >

> > 3b. Re: Extremely Low T

> > Posted by: " Manterno Salerno "

> brownsaucylicious@... brownsaucylicious

> > Date: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:45 pm ((PST))

> >

> > " Primary Hypogonadism cases are helped here but a

> > separate board is there for such "

> >

> > Could you provide the link to that group please?

> >

> > Thnx x.

> >

> > --- Randle <peter_randle@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > > The guidelines were written by

> > > Testosterone/hypogonadism specialists. the

> > > > problems is the vast majority of

> endocrinologists

> > > see very little

> > > > hypogonadism and their time and reading is

> bound

> > > up in diabetes, thyroids,

> > > > and female issues. It's very hard to find one

> > > knowledgable or up to date

> > > > in male hypogonadism issues.

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi there

> > >

> > > I think this is extremely important to have

> > > clarified.

> > >

> > > Testosterone/Hypogonadism specialists are

> > > Endocrinologists. The AACE guide-lines were

> > > written by clinical endocrinologists accepted by

> the

> > > AACE.

> > >

> > > Endocrinology is a very wide field. If you have

> a

> > > heart problem as there is only one heart

> > > you ask for a heart specialist. However

> > > Endocrinology covers many, many glands and each

> > > interacts to some extent and so firstly you need

> the

> > > topic heading Endocrinology and THEN

> > > the actual gland. A Pituitary Endocrinologist

> may

> > > very well not be the guy to see if you have

> > > Thyroid and if you have a pituitary problem you

> do

> > > not want to see a Thyroid specialist if

>

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