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Wow Eugene did you not feel anything going up like this. I can feel it I get

sore and hard nippels feel hot and sweat a lot with feels of panic. I also look

red like I have a sunburn. Go to .5mgs everyday but don't take it on Wed. and

Sat. So this is 5 x's a week. Look for morning woodk when you get it your

comming down when it stops your going to low so adjust the does down when this

happens. When you can't get it up stop until you can then take less. If you

were not low for to long you should come back in a week or 2.

Phil

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any idea how long it will take to get my E2 from 70

(ref 0-53) down to a nice value like 20? I'm taking 1/2 mg Arimidex

twice per week, I'm shooting 100 mg of T per week (split into two

doses), and I do 250 IU of Novarel twice per week. I'm 38, I'm 6'0 "

and I weigh 175 pounds.

My E2 got so high because I was on 1/4 mg Arimidex every two weeks.

It's been about a week that I've been on the higher dose of Arimidex

and I still feel pretty fatigued.

Thanks,

Eugene

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Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am

47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what

an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I

would think it would be rather high.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any idea how long it will take to get my E2 from 70

(ref 0-53) down to a nice value like 20? I'm taking 1/2 mg Arimidex

twice per week, I'm shooting 100 mg of T per week (split into two

doses), and I do 250 IU of Novarel twice per week. I'm 38, I'm 6'0 "

and I weigh 175 pounds.

My E2 got so high because I was on 1/4 mg Arimidex every two weeks.

It's been about a week that I've been on the higher dose of Arimidex

and I still feel pretty fatigued.

Thanks,

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Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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May I get in on this discussion? My last test on June 16 my Total T

was high. I was midway through my shots though. It was 1040 range

240-950. I didn't have the chance to take the blood sample just before

my shot, out of town. My E2 was down at 6, so was feeling lousy.

I take my T injection weekly, shooting 80mg and not 100 as most

on here do. I am assuming my high T was because of my low E2

right? I had a blood test for Total T, E2 and free T this last week

I am anxious to see what the reading are this time. Got the test

then came home and took my shot this time. I was on Arimidex

.25mg once a week and I really went like a rock down from 52 to 6.

I will decrease the dosage next time. My Endo wanted me to take

one Arimides every dayfor 30 days, I am glad that I went by you

guys here or I would have really crashed. He didn't know much

about that drug :-(

I am encouraged though I had my first wood day before

yesterday and that is good. Not this morning though.

I am 83, weigh 175 at 5'10 "

Roy

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on

day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~

1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a

total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low

will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to

reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!

I bet your chest is stuck out more than it has in years and there is a lift in

your step. I am so happy for you Roy. Now don't go wearing anything out!!!

I will be interested to hear what your values are.

Arkansas

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't

take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z

for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of

there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and

the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post

this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but

you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names

too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has

been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men

too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's

that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot.

I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my

blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will

post it here too.

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you

and I don't take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on

this. Z for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have

devoted a lot of there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for

this group and the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you

sould post this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some

hope.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Thanks Dan,

I was struting around here like I was kind of the hill ! There was a spring

in my step that I haven't had for a long long time. I will try not to put

too much wear and tear on it. Will post when I get results back, I too

am anxious to see what they are since I had such a wonderful

performance.

Roy

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!

I bet your chest is stuck out more than it has in years and there is a lift in

your step. I am so happy for you Roy. Now don't go wearing anything out!!!

I will be interested to hear what your values are.

Arkansas

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Ok Roy once again this is such Great News.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but

you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names

too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has

been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men

too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's

that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot.

I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my

blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will

post it here too.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't

take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z

for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of

there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and

the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this

at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope.

Phil

Roy wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Dan I never did answer your question on what level T I am shooting

for. It was a little high or over in June 1040 range 240-950. I am

thinking I should be around 900 to do well, although my free T

was 2.0 range 2.0-4.8 I don't want to get the Total T too high

as I possibly might get a blood clot, I want my blood thin as

it can be as I take an aspirin a day to keep it thin. I have

noticed that I haven't had any bleeding from the shots at all

lately so it is probably too high again, I will post sometime

this week on that.

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Ok Roy once again this is such Great News.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but

you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names

too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has

been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men

too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's

that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot.

I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my

blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will

post it here too.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't

take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z

for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of

there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and

the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this

at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope.

Phil

Roy wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Roy was this the test that you did mid way between shots if so your not to high.

Do your T testing the day of your next shot.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Dan I never did answer your question on what level T I am shooting

for. It was a little high or over in June 1040 range 240-950. I am

thinking I should be around 900 to do well, although my free T

was 2.0 range 2.0-4.8 I don't want to get the Total T too high

as I possibly might get a blood clot, I want my blood thin as

it can be as I take an aspirin a day to keep it thin. I have

noticed that I haven't had any bleeding from the shots at all

lately so it is probably too high again, I will post sometime

this week on that.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Ok Roy once again this is such Great News.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but

you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names

too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has

been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men

too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's

that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot.

I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my

blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will

post it here too.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't

take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z

for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of

there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and

the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this

at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope.

Phil

Roy wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Yes this was the test that I did half way through the shots, it may not be

too high. At least it was pr oven to me that I can function again and that

can't be bad. I really feel great too which is very encouraging to me.

This last blood draw July 25th was just before my T shot, came home

and took it then Phil, so it will reveal a truer picture. I didn't have the

time to do it last time I was out of town

Roy

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Roy was this the test that you did mid way between shots if so your

not to high. Do your T testing the day of your next shot.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Dan I never did answer your question on what level T I am shooting

for. It was a little high or over in June 1040 range 240-950. I am

thinking I should be around 900 to do well, although my free T

was 2.0 range 2.0-4.8 I don't want to get the Total T too high

as I possibly might get a blood clot, I want my blood thin as

it can be as I take an aspirin a day to keep it thin. I have

noticed that I haven't had any bleeding from the shots at all

lately so it is probably too high again, I will post sometime

this week on that.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Ok Roy once again this is such Great News.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but

you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names

too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has

been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men

too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's

that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot.

I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my

blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will

post it here too.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't

take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z

for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of

there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and

the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this

at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope.

Phil

Roy wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Ok can't wait to see how your doing test wise.

Phil

Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote:

Yes this was the test that I did half way through the shots, it may not be

too high. At least it was pr oven to me that I can function again and that

can't be bad. I really feel great too which is very encouraging to me.

This last blood draw July 25th was just before my T shot, came home

and took it then Phil, so it will reveal a truer picture. I didn't have the

time to do it last time I was out of town

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Roy was this the test that you did mid way between shots if so your not to high.

Do your T testing the day of your next shot.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Dan I never did answer your question on what level T I am shooting

for. It was a little high or over in June 1040 range 240-950. I am

thinking I should be around 900 to do well, although my free T

was 2.0 range 2.0-4.8 I don't want to get the Total T too high

as I possibly might get a blood clot, I want my blood thin as

it can be as I take an aspirin a day to keep it thin. I have

noticed that I haven't had any bleeding from the shots at all

lately so it is probably too high again, I will post sometime

this week on that.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Ok Roy once again this is such Great News.

Phil

Roy wrote:

Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but

you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names

too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has

been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men

too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's

that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot.

I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my

blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will

post it here too.

Roy

philip georgian

wrote:

Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't

take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z

for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of

there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and

the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this

at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope.

Phil

Roy wrote:

WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !!

I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I

conquered! No more white flags!

Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured

in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them.

Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be

as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know

who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you

when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially

for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys

too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget

you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha!

Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get

to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep

those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up

there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance.

It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots

a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes

sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once

a month. What a roller coaster ride.

I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when

I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you

are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly

quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are

similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is

right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two

test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in.

I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get

my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--))

She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in

you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. "

Those old bicycle legs still work for me~!

God's blessings to you all!

Roy

Dan Meatheany wrote:

I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just

before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just

started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80

still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700.

I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex

from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks.

Arkansas

eugenekeddy wrote:

Arkansas,

My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a

twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point,

but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm

doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty

consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing).

It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a

rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I

shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different.

What T level do you aim for?

> Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7

days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days

max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing

the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high.

>

> Arkansas

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Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking Indolplex

(with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor?

Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected?

Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a

prescription?

My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down into

the twenties.

I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems that

aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone into

Estradiol.

I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and cabbage

daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the

metabolism of Estradiol.

Thanks for the help, Bill

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Thanks for the response Dave:

To your question about whether or not I am fat: not at all: I am very

lean, as a matter of fact.

Concerning soy products: I have read that soy contains high estrogen

levels, albeit a weaker type of estrogen.

The Japanese have diets high in soy products, and the Japanese males

appear to be low testosterone. This is, however, just a casual

observation on my part.

>

> > Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking

Indolplex

> > (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor?

> >

> > Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected?

> >

> > Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a

> > prescription?

> >

> > My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down

into

> > the twenties.

> >

> > I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems

that

> > aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone

into

> > Estradiol.

> >

> > I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and

> > cabbage

> > daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the

> > metabolism of Estradiol.

> >

> > Thanks for the help, Bill

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

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Your level of estradiol is not all that high unless you have wood problems I

would leave it alone. Arimidex is a pill comes in 1mg. we cut them into 4 parts

and take .25mgs every 3 days to start. This med is very strong and can take

your Estradiol down way to low if your not careful.

Indolplex/DIM is sold OTC and works dam good I would try this first taking

only one tablet at dinner time. This works to convert estradiol into good E's

so your liver can wash them out easy.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

wmmarbury <wmmarbury@...> wrote:

Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking Indolplex

(with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor?

Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected?

Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a

prescription?

My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down into

the twenties.

I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems that

aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone into

Estradiol.

I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and cabbage

daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the

metabolism of Estradiol.

Thanks for the help, Bill

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There are those that argue that because of soy's estrogens that they

bind to estrogen receptors blocking the more potent ones. Males in

general, globally, in both human and non-human animal species are

lower in testosterone and higher in estrogen. Blame it on chemical

and hormonal pollutions in our environment.

On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:48 AM, wmmarbury wrote:

> Thanks for the response Dave:

>

> To your question about whether or not I am fat: not at all: I am very

> lean, as a matter of fact.

>

> Concerning soy products: I have read that soy contains high estrogen

> levels, albeit a weaker type of estrogen.

>

> The Japanese have diets high in soy products, and the Japanese males

> appear to be low testosterone. This is, however, just a casual

> observation on my part.

>

>

>

>

>>

>>> Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking

> Indolplex

>>> (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor?

>>>

>>> Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected?

>>>

>>> Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a

>>> prescription?

>>>

>>> My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down

> into

>>> the twenties.

>>>

>>> I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems

> that

>>> aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone

> into

>>> Estradiol.

>>>

>>> I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and

>>> cabbage

>>> daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the

>>> metabolism of Estradiol.

>>>

>>> Thanks for the help, Bill

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>>

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Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced

Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is

prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does

anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper?

The Indolplex with DIM that I am now taking states that it has 120 mg

of the Indolplex complex. I paid $38 for 60 tablets. It is produced

by Phytopharmica of Green Bay, Wisconsin. I bought it through

Amazon.com Online. Does anyone know where Indolplex can be bought

cheaper?

I have been taking Indolplex for 18 days - usually one tablet per day

with a meal. I'll have to wait until July, 2008, to have my Estradiol

level checked again, so I don't know what effect the Indolplex is

having.

The normal range given to me for Estradiol is < or = 29 pg/mL (less

than or equal to 29 pg/mL); my level is 37 pg/mL. Other normal ranges

have a high of 50 or 70 pg/mL. My test was done through the Veterans'

Administration (VA); my endocrinologist said that this is definitely

the test for Estradiol.

In order not to stimulate the excessive production of aromatase in my

body, I am using the gell twice a day and rubbing in only about 8 mg

at a time. It seems logical that the more times per day that the

application of the gell is made, the less that the body will be

stimulated to produce aromatase, and, therefore, the less that the

applied testosterone will be converted by the aromatase into

Estradiol.

I tried rubbing in 50 mg of the gell all at the same time for a

couple of days, but I found myself becoming very fatigued during the

day; I had to take a nap on those days. Evidently, my body reacts

very quickly to exogenous testosterone and immediately produces the

enzyme aromatase, which converts much of the testosterone into

Estradiol, which causes fatigue. I have cut back to about 16

mg per day of the gell, and I now rub in twice a day.

Thanks again Phil for your insight on these matters.

Bill

> Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than

taking Indolplex

> (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor?

>

> Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected?

>

> Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a

> prescription?

>

> My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down

into

> the twenties.

>

> I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems

that

> aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone

into

> Estradiol.

>

> I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and

cabbage

> daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the

> metabolism of Estradiol.

>

> Thanks for the help, Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

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wmmarbury wrote:

> Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced

> Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is

> prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does

> anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper?

It's $229 for 28 pills here - I've used them before many many times and

occasionally for Arimidex:

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/

I used to crush these pills between two spoons and then divide them up

into 8ths with a sharp knife. I then scraped each bit into a small

capsule and took one a day. At one point my estrogen was 54 and the lab

reference range ended at 54 at the time. I didn't feel any different

but I knew it wasn't a good thing from reading the Life Extension

Foundation articles so I saw two endos to fix the problem.

The first endo had never prescribed Arimidex and wanted me to have

breast removal surgery so I wouldn't have to " worry " about high

estrogen. I really pissed him off when I insisted that there were

estrogen receptors elsewhere in the body and I wasn't going to have that

all removed and then I insisted on a prescription for Arimidex and saw

NO reason to do any kind of surgery. He gave me what he thought was one

month and said not to see him again. He wasn't listening or he would

have realized that it was really a 30 week supply. That gave me time to

find alternative sources.

I had recently switched to weekly shots under the direction of my uro

who didn't want to touch a high estrogen problem. The endos were her

referrals. The second endo wanted me stop the shots and go on creams.

I had already been on patches and that had stopped working. I told her

I didn't have insurance and the amount she was prescribing would be

about $6000 a year. The injections were only about $100 a year at the

time. We ultimately had it out and she insisted that if I was to

continue injections, I needed to come into her clinic every three weeks

to get them. Hogwash! I ordered the Arimidex from the web site above

which was one of the only places on the net at the time and went back to

my uro and told her (ok, I lied to her) the endos didn't think my

estrogen was a problem and that I should just continue the injections as

I had been doing. My uro was completely fine with what. I took

Arimidex on the side for about 2 - 2.5 years and finally stopped as I

began to suspect that I didn't need it any more. My estrogen on

injections now ranges between 10-19 without Arimidex.

Given a choice between injections and patches and/or creams, I'll take

injections 100% of the time. Anyone used the scrotal patch? That was

the first one I was prescribed and used for over a year until I learned

about other patch options and got a change in prescription. Using a

blow dryer and shaving so the patch will stick is not my idea of a good

time. The hot Tucson AZ sun didn't lend itself to having patches stay

where they were placed all the time.

It is possible that I had high estrogen for years and it was only the

lab work that I order via the Life Extension Foundation because I didn't

have insurance that revealed the problem.

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You can order " nature's way " brand from iherb.com That is what I use. $20

for a bottle. I take two caps a day.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of wmmarbury

Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:43 AM

Subject: Re: Lowering Estradiol

Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced

Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is

prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does

anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper?

The Indolplex with DIM that I am now taking states that it has 120 mg

of the Indolplex complex. I paid $38 for 60 tablets. It is produced

by Phytopharmica of Green Bay, Wisconsin. I bought it through

Amazon.com Online. Does anyone know where Indolplex can be bought

cheaper?

I have been taking Indolplex for 18 days - usually one tablet per day

with a meal. I'll have to wait until July, 2008, to have my Estradiol

level checked again, so I don't know what effect the Indolplex is

having.

The normal range given to me for Estradiol is < or = 29 pg/mL (less

than or equal to 29 pg/mL); my level is 37 pg/mL. Other normal ranges

have a high of 50 or 70 pg/mL. My test was done through the Veterans'

Administration (VA); my endocrinologist said that this is definitely

the test for Estradiol.

In order not to stimulate the excessive production of aromatase in my

body, I am using the gell twice a day and rubbing in only about 8 mg

at a time. It seems logical that the more times per day that the

application of the gell is made, the less that the body will be

stimulated to produce aromatase, and, therefore, the less that the

applied testosterone will be converted by the aromatase into

Estradiol.

I tried rubbing in 50 mg of the gell all at the same time for a

couple of days, but I found myself becoming very fatigued during the

day; I had to take a nap on those days. Evidently, my body reacts

very quickly to exogenous testosterone and immediately produces the

enzyme aromatase, which converts much of the testosterone into

Estradiol, which causes fatigue. I have cut back to about 16

mg per day of the gell, and I now rub in twice a day.

Thanks again Phil for your insight on these matters.

Bill

> Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than

taking Indolplex

> (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor?

>

> Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected?

>

> Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a

> prescription?

>

> My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down

into

> the twenties.

>

> I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems

that

> aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone

into

> Estradiol.

>

> I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and

cabbage

> daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the

> metabolism of Estradiol.

>

> Thanks for the help, Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

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Hi Steve,

Thanks for the tip about the anti-aging website http://www.antiaging-

systems.com/

I will definitely be referring to this site in the future. The price

for Arimidex is considerably cheaper. I am going to see if I can

bring down my estrogen levels with Indolplex first. I just ordered

some from the iHerb.com website - 120 tablets for $21 - plus shipping.

> > Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and

priced

> > Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This

is

> > prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does

> > anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper?

>

> It's $229 for 28 pills here - I've used them before many many times

and

> occasionally for Arimidex:

> http://www.antiaging-systems.com/

>

> I used to crush these pills between two spoons and then divide them

up

> into 8ths with a sharp knife. I then scraped each bit into a small

> capsule and took one a day. At one point my estrogen was 54 and

the lab

> reference range ended at 54 at the time. I didn't feel any

different

> but I knew it wasn't a good thing from reading the Life Extension

> Foundation articles so I saw two endos to fix the problem.

>

> The first endo had never prescribed Arimidex and wanted me to have

> breast removal surgery so I wouldn't have to " worry " about high

> estrogen. I really pissed him off when I insisted that there were

> estrogen receptors elsewhere in the body and I wasn't going to have

that

> all removed and then I insisted on a prescription for Arimidex and

saw

> NO reason to do any kind of surgery. He gave me what he thought

was one

> month and said not to see him again. He wasn't listening or he

would

> have realized that it was really a 30 week supply. That gave me

time to

> find alternative sources.

>

> I had recently switched to weekly shots under the direction of my

uro

> who didn't want to touch a high estrogen problem. The endos were

her

> referrals. The second endo wanted me stop the shots and go on

creams.

> I had already been on patches and that had stopped working. I told

her

> I didn't have insurance and the amount she was prescribing would be

> about $6000 a year. The injections were only about $100 a year at

the

> time. We ultimately had it out and she insisted that if I was to

> continue injections, I needed to come into her clinic every three

weeks

> to get them. Hogwash! I ordered the Arimidex from the web site

above

> which was one of the only places on the net at the time and went

back to

> my uro and told her (ok, I lied to her) the endos didn't think my

> estrogen was a problem and that I should just continue the

injections as

> I had been doing. My uro was completely fine with what. I took

> Arimidex on the side for about 2 - 2.5 years and finally stopped as

I

> began to suspect that I didn't need it any more. My estrogen on

> injections now ranges between 10-19 without Arimidex.

>

> Given a choice between injections and patches and/or creams, I'll

take

> injections 100% of the time. Anyone used the scrotal patch? That

was

> the first one I was prescribed and used for over a year until I

learned

> about other patch options and got a change in prescription. Using

a

> blow dryer and shaving so the patch will stick is not my idea of a

good

> time. The hot Tucson AZ sun didn't lend itself to having patches

stay

> where they were placed all the time.

>

> It is possible that I had high estrogen for years and it was only

the

> lab work that I order via the Life Extension Foundation because I

didn't

> have insurance that revealed the problem.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

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Nature's way did not move my E2 at all I later found out from some of the guys

taking it with oil makes it work gets past the stomach with out dieing. I think

he opened the caps and pored the DIM into some Olive oil then took it.

Most of the guys I tell about this don't have night time and morning wood and

they get it back in about 2 to 4 weeks this is a good gage on it working. So

when on it DIM that is if you get morning wood and it stops this can mean your

going down to low on your E2 so stop it until the wood comes back that day go

back on it but do half the dose.

Tom Sweet <thomasjsweet@...> wrote:

You can order " nature's way " brand from iherb.com That is what I use.

$20

for a bottle. I take two caps a day.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of wmmarbury

Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:43 AM

Subject: Re: Lowering Estradiol

Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced

Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is

prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does

anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper?

The Indolplex with DIM that I am now taking states that it has 120 mg

of the Indolplex complex. I paid $38 for 60 tablets. It is produced

by Phytopharmica of Green Bay, Wisconsin. I bought it through

Amazon.com Online. Does anyone know where Indolplex can be bought

cheaper?

I have been taking Indolplex for 18 days - usually one tablet per day

with a meal. I'll have to wait until July, 2008, to have my Estradiol

level checked again, so I don't know what effect the Indolplex is

having.

The normal range given to me for Estradiol is < or = 29 pg/mL (less

than or equal to 29 pg/mL); my level is 37 pg/mL. Other normal ranges

have a high of 50 or 70 pg/mL. My test was done through the Veterans'

Administration (VA); my endocrinologist said that this is definitely

the test for Estradiol.

In order not to stimulate the excessive production of aromatase in my

body, I am using the gell twice a day and rubbing in only about 8 mg

at a time. It seems logical that the more times per day that the

application of the gell is made, the less that the body will be

stimulated to produce aromatase, and, therefore, the less that the

applied testosterone will be converted by the aromatase into

Estradiol.

I tried rubbing in 50 mg of the gell all at the same time for a

couple of days, but I found myself becoming very fatigued during the

day; I had to take a nap on those days. Evidently, my body reacts

very quickly to exogenous testosterone and immediately produces the

enzyme aromatase, which converts much of the testosterone into

Estradiol, which causes fatigue. I have cut back to about 16

mg per day of the gell, and I now rub in twice a day.

Thanks again Phil for your insight on these matters.

Bill

> Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than

taking Indolplex

> (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor?

>

> Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected?

>

> Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a

> prescription?

>

> My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down

into

> the twenties.

>

> I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems

that

> aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone

into

> Estradiol.

>

> I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and

cabbage

> daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the

> metabolism of Estradiol.

>

> Thanks for the help, Bill

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

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