Guest guest Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Wow Eugene did you not feel anything going up like this. I can feel it I get sore and hard nippels feel hot and sweat a lot with feels of panic. I also look red like I have a sunburn. Go to .5mgs everyday but don't take it on Wed. and Sat. So this is 5 x's a week. Look for morning woodk when you get it your comming down when it stops your going to low so adjust the does down when this happens. When you can't get it up stop until you can then take less. If you were not low for to long you should come back in a week or 2. Phil eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: Does anyone have any idea how long it will take to get my E2 from 70 (ref 0-53) down to a nice value like 20? I'm taking 1/2 mg Arimidex twice per week, I'm shooting 100 mg of T per week (split into two doses), and I do 250 IU of Novarel twice per week. I'm 38, I'm 6'0 " and I weigh 175 pounds. My E2 got so high because I was on 1/4 mg Arimidex every two weeks. It's been about a week that I've been on the higher dose of Arimidex and I still feel pretty fatigued. Thanks, Eugene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. Arkansas eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: Does anyone have any idea how long it will take to get my E2 from 70 (ref 0-53) down to a nice value like 20? I'm taking 1/2 mg Arimidex twice per week, I'm shooting 100 mg of T per week (split into two doses), and I do 250 IU of Novarel twice per week. I'm 38, I'm 6'0 " and I weigh 175 pounds. My E2 got so high because I was on 1/4 mg Arimidex every two weeks. It's been about a week that I've been on the higher dose of Arimidex and I still feel pretty fatigued. Thanks, Eugene --------------------------------- Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 May I get in on this discussion? My last test on June 16 my Total T was high. I was midway through my shots though. It was 1040 range 240-950. I didn't have the chance to take the blood sample just before my shot, out of town. My E2 was down at 6, so was feeling lousy. I take my T injection weekly, shooting 80mg and not 100 as most on here do. I am assuming my high T was because of my low E2 right? I had a blood test for Total T, E2 and free T this last week I am anxious to see what the reading are this time. Got the test then came home and took my shot this time. I was on Arimidex .25mg once a week and I really went like a rock down from 52 to 6. I will decrease the dosage next time. My Endo wanted me to take one Arimides every dayfor 30 days, I am glad that I went by you guys here or I would have really crashed. He didn't know much about that drug :-( I am encouraged though I had my first wood day before yesterday and that is good. Not this morning though. I am 83, weigh 175 at 5'10 " Roy eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! I bet your chest is stuck out more than it has in years and there is a lift in your step. I am so happy for you Roy. Now don't go wearing anything out!!! I will be interested to hear what your values are. Arkansas Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope. Phil Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot. I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will post it here too. Roy philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope. Phil Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Thanks Dan, I was struting around here like I was kind of the hill ! There was a spring in my step that I haven't had for a long long time. I will try not to put too much wear and tear on it. Will post when I get results back, I too am anxious to see what they are since I had such a wonderful performance. Roy Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! I bet your chest is stuck out more than it has in years and there is a lift in your step. I am so happy for you Roy. Now don't go wearing anything out!!! I will be interested to hear what your values are. Arkansas Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Ok Roy once again this is such Great News. Phil Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot. I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will post it here too. Roy philip georgian wrote: Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope. Phil Roy wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Dan I never did answer your question on what level T I am shooting for. It was a little high or over in June 1040 range 240-950. I am thinking I should be around 900 to do well, although my free T was 2.0 range 2.0-4.8 I don't want to get the Total T too high as I possibly might get a blood clot, I want my blood thin as it can be as I take an aspirin a day to keep it thin. I have noticed that I haven't had any bleeding from the shots at all lately so it is probably too high again, I will post sometime this week on that. Roy philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: Ok Roy once again this is such Great News. Phil Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot. I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will post it here too. Roy philip georgian wrote: Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope. Phil Roy wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Roy was this the test that you did mid way between shots if so your not to high. Do your T testing the day of your next shot. Phil Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Dan I never did answer your question on what level T I am shooting for. It was a little high or over in June 1040 range 240-950. I am thinking I should be around 900 to do well, although my free T was 2.0 range 2.0-4.8 I don't want to get the Total T too high as I possibly might get a blood clot, I want my blood thin as it can be as I take an aspirin a day to keep it thin. I have noticed that I haven't had any bleeding from the shots at all lately so it is probably too high again, I will post sometime this week on that. Roy philip georgian wrote: Ok Roy once again this is such Great News. Phil Roy wrote: Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot. I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will post it here too. Roy philip georgian wrote: Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope. Phil Roy wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Yes this was the test that I did half way through the shots, it may not be too high. At least it was pr oven to me that I can function again and that can't be bad. I really feel great too which is very encouraging to me. This last blood draw July 25th was just before my T shot, came home and took it then Phil, so it will reveal a truer picture. I didn't have the time to do it last time I was out of town Roy philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: Roy was this the test that you did mid way between shots if so your not to high. Do your T testing the day of your next shot. Phil Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Dan I never did answer your question on what level T I am shooting for. It was a little high or over in June 1040 range 240-950. I am thinking I should be around 900 to do well, although my free T was 2.0 range 2.0-4.8 I don't want to get the Total T too high as I possibly might get a blood clot, I want my blood thin as it can be as I take an aspirin a day to keep it thin. I have noticed that I haven't had any bleeding from the shots at all lately so it is probably too high again, I will post sometime this week on that. Roy philip georgian wrote: Ok Roy once again this is such Great News. Phil Roy wrote: Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot. I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will post it here too. Roy philip georgian wrote: Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope. Phil Roy wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Ok can't wait to see how your doing test wise. Phil Roy <chickenbirdtree@...> wrote: Yes this was the test that I did half way through the shots, it may not be too high. At least it was pr oven to me that I can function again and that can't be bad. I really feel great too which is very encouraging to me. This last blood draw July 25th was just before my T shot, came home and took it then Phil, so it will reveal a truer picture. I didn't have the time to do it last time I was out of town Roy philip georgian wrote: Roy was this the test that you did mid way between shots if so your not to high. Do your T testing the day of your next shot. Phil Roy wrote: Dan I never did answer your question on what level T I am shooting for. It was a little high or over in June 1040 range 240-950. I am thinking I should be around 900 to do well, although my free T was 2.0 range 2.0-4.8 I don't want to get the Total T too high as I possibly might get a blood clot, I want my blood thin as it can be as I take an aspirin a day to keep it thin. I have noticed that I haven't had any bleeding from the shots at all lately so it is probably too high again, I will post sometime this week on that. Roy philip georgian wrote: Ok Roy once again this is such Great News. Phil Roy wrote: Phil I know there many guys that chimed in here to help and they all did but you are the guiding lite to me in all this. I do remember those guys names too and I appreciate all of them. I was so happy that I could cry. It has been such a drought you know. I am so grateful for all this group of men too, they are wonderful trying to help one another, better than any Endo's that I have met so far. Don't forget Dan too he helped a lot. I will post this in the Alt.Support.Impotence site too. Now after I get my blood test back I will probably come back here for more advise. I will post it here too. Roy philip georgian wrote: Roy I have to tell you I was not a bit worried about what I told you and I don't take the all the credit for this many guys have had some input on this. Z for one, Oreon, Kaitain4 and yes you Brad999us men that have devoted a lot of there time here helping me and outhers. I am very greatful for this group and the men hear that help others. I am so happy for you and Roy you sould post this at Alt.Support.Impotence group this will give them guys some hope. Phil Roy wrote: WAAAAAAHOOOOO!!!! and then some !! I just had to get that out of my system Dan. I came, I saw and I conquered! No more white flags! Yes for the first time in years I was able to have sex and yes I raptured in the end too!!! When I find out the numbers I won't soon forget them. Dan and Phil I blame it all on you guys for without you I would still be as rock, just sitting there. Thank all you guys out there and you know who you are. My memory isn't too good anymore but I know you when I hear from you. I sure want to thank you and Phil especially for all the help you have given me, I also thank all the rest of you guys too for all your input. I have learned a lot here and I won't soon forget you all. I feel like a father figure to many of you young Bucks! Ha! Now you all have something to look forward to guys, when you get to be 83 you can still have sex and enjoy it, if only you can keep those hormones flowing. Just remember don't ever ever give up there is help and I sure will be one here trying to be of assistance. It is looking more and more like the idea of taking two shots a week is as good idea, Phil's idea I think it was. Makes sense, and to think when I started out I was taking them once a month. What a roller coaster ride. I am not sure yet what regimen to take on the Arimidex when I go back but it sure won't be weekly Dan. Sounds like you are very close to me when it comes to shots but interestingly quite different on the Arimidex. Our height and weight are similar too I noticed. It all depends on where my E2 is right now, should know in 3 or 4 days now. The other two test are in, just waiting on the Total T to come in. I hope you read this too Phil, I was really thrilled to even get my wife to orgasm the same time too, what a victory!!!! ::--)) She said, " Boy what a ride, Dad I didn't know you had it in you! " She also said, " I had forgotten how good it felt too. " Those old bicycle legs still work for me~! God's blessings to you all! Roy Dan Meatheany wrote: I was previously doing 80 mg of T every 7 days. This puts me ~ 550 on day 7 just before the shot. Based on my estimate and testing, my peak is is ~ 1200. I just started doing 2 shots per week last week at 40 mg per shot for a total of 80 still. Based on my calculations, my peak will be 1000 and my low will be 6-700. I function the best sexually at levels > 400. I am hoping to reduce my Arimidex from every other week (0.25 mg) to every 3-4 weeks. Arkansas eugenekeddy wrote: Arkansas, My most recent total T was 806 just before my injection, and I'm on a twice-weekly injection schedule. So, 806 should be the lowest point, but I don't think it would be too much higher at the peak. Since I'm doing shots twice a week, I assume that my T levels are pretty consistent, maybe varying between 800 and 1000 (just guessing). It's interesting: on your Arimidex regimen, your E2 dropped like a rock. On my Arimidex regimen, which was almost identical to yours, I shot up from 10 to 70 in a month. I guess everybody's different. What T level do you aim for? > Hey Eugene - Mine went from 56 to <15 in 4 weeks on 0.25 mg every 7 days. I am 47 weigh 160 and 5'8 " . I would only do 0.25mg every 7 days max till you see what an affect it has. What is your total T? Doing the regiment you described, I would think it would be rather high. > > Arkansas --------------------------------- Do you ? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking Indolplex (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor? Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected? Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a prescription? My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down into the twenties. I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems that aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone into Estradiol. I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and cabbage daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the metabolism of Estradiol. Thanks for the help, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Thanks for the response Dave: To your question about whether or not I am fat: not at all: I am very lean, as a matter of fact. Concerning soy products: I have read that soy contains high estrogen levels, albeit a weaker type of estrogen. The Japanese have diets high in soy products, and the Japanese males appear to be low testosterone. This is, however, just a casual observation on my part. > > > Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking Indolplex > > (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor? > > > > Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected? > > > > Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a > > prescription? > > > > My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down into > > the twenties. > > > > I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems that > > aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone into > > Estradiol. > > > > I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and > > cabbage > > daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the > > metabolism of Estradiol. > > > > Thanks for the help, Bill > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Your level of estradiol is not all that high unless you have wood problems I would leave it alone. Arimidex is a pill comes in 1mg. we cut them into 4 parts and take .25mgs every 3 days to start. This med is very strong and can take your Estradiol down way to low if your not careful. Indolplex/DIM is sold OTC and works dam good I would try this first taking only one tablet at dinner time. This works to convert estradiol into good E's so your liver can wash them out easy. http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html wmmarbury <wmmarbury@...> wrote: Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking Indolplex (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor? Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected? Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a prescription? My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down into the twenties. I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems that aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone into Estradiol. I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and cabbage daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the metabolism of Estradiol. Thanks for the help, Bill Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " Phil --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 There are those that argue that because of soy's estrogens that they bind to estrogen receptors blocking the more potent ones. Males in general, globally, in both human and non-human animal species are lower in testosterone and higher in estrogen. Blame it on chemical and hormonal pollutions in our environment. On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:48 AM, wmmarbury wrote: > Thanks for the response Dave: > > To your question about whether or not I am fat: not at all: I am very > lean, as a matter of fact. > > Concerning soy products: I have read that soy contains high estrogen > levels, albeit a weaker type of estrogen. > > The Japanese have diets high in soy products, and the Japanese males > appear to be low testosterone. This is, however, just a casual > observation on my part. > > > > >> >>> Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking > Indolplex >>> (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor? >>> >>> Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected? >>> >>> Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a >>> prescription? >>> >>> My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down > into >>> the twenties. >>> >>> I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems > that >>> aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone > into >>> Estradiol. >>> >>> I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and >>> cabbage >>> daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the >>> metabolism of Estradiol. >>> >>> Thanks for the help, Bill >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper? The Indolplex with DIM that I am now taking states that it has 120 mg of the Indolplex complex. I paid $38 for 60 tablets. It is produced by Phytopharmica of Green Bay, Wisconsin. I bought it through Amazon.com Online. Does anyone know where Indolplex can be bought cheaper? I have been taking Indolplex for 18 days - usually one tablet per day with a meal. I'll have to wait until July, 2008, to have my Estradiol level checked again, so I don't know what effect the Indolplex is having. The normal range given to me for Estradiol is < or = 29 pg/mL (less than or equal to 29 pg/mL); my level is 37 pg/mL. Other normal ranges have a high of 50 or 70 pg/mL. My test was done through the Veterans' Administration (VA); my endocrinologist said that this is definitely the test for Estradiol. In order not to stimulate the excessive production of aromatase in my body, I am using the gell twice a day and rubbing in only about 8 mg at a time. It seems logical that the more times per day that the application of the gell is made, the less that the body will be stimulated to produce aromatase, and, therefore, the less that the applied testosterone will be converted by the aromatase into Estradiol. I tried rubbing in 50 mg of the gell all at the same time for a couple of days, but I found myself becoming very fatigued during the day; I had to take a nap on those days. Evidently, my body reacts very quickly to exogenous testosterone and immediately produces the enzyme aromatase, which converts much of the testosterone into Estradiol, which causes fatigue. I have cut back to about 16 mg per day of the gell, and I now rub in twice a day. Thanks again Phil for your insight on these matters. Bill > Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking Indolplex > (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor? > > Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected? > > Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a > prescription? > > My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down into > the twenties. > > I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems that > aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone into > Estradiol. > > I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and cabbage > daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the > metabolism of Estradiol. > > Thanks for the help, Bill > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 wmmarbury wrote: > Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced > Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is > prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does > anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper? It's $229 for 28 pills here - I've used them before many many times and occasionally for Arimidex: http://www.antiaging-systems.com/ I used to crush these pills between two spoons and then divide them up into 8ths with a sharp knife. I then scraped each bit into a small capsule and took one a day. At one point my estrogen was 54 and the lab reference range ended at 54 at the time. I didn't feel any different but I knew it wasn't a good thing from reading the Life Extension Foundation articles so I saw two endos to fix the problem. The first endo had never prescribed Arimidex and wanted me to have breast removal surgery so I wouldn't have to " worry " about high estrogen. I really pissed him off when I insisted that there were estrogen receptors elsewhere in the body and I wasn't going to have that all removed and then I insisted on a prescription for Arimidex and saw NO reason to do any kind of surgery. He gave me what he thought was one month and said not to see him again. He wasn't listening or he would have realized that it was really a 30 week supply. That gave me time to find alternative sources. I had recently switched to weekly shots under the direction of my uro who didn't want to touch a high estrogen problem. The endos were her referrals. The second endo wanted me stop the shots and go on creams. I had already been on patches and that had stopped working. I told her I didn't have insurance and the amount she was prescribing would be about $6000 a year. The injections were only about $100 a year at the time. We ultimately had it out and she insisted that if I was to continue injections, I needed to come into her clinic every three weeks to get them. Hogwash! I ordered the Arimidex from the web site above which was one of the only places on the net at the time and went back to my uro and told her (ok, I lied to her) the endos didn't think my estrogen was a problem and that I should just continue the injections as I had been doing. My uro was completely fine with what. I took Arimidex on the side for about 2 - 2.5 years and finally stopped as I began to suspect that I didn't need it any more. My estrogen on injections now ranges between 10-19 without Arimidex. Given a choice between injections and patches and/or creams, I'll take injections 100% of the time. Anyone used the scrotal patch? That was the first one I was prescribed and used for over a year until I learned about other patch options and got a change in prescription. Using a blow dryer and shaving so the patch will stick is not my idea of a good time. The hot Tucson AZ sun didn't lend itself to having patches stay where they were placed all the time. It is possible that I had high estrogen for years and it was only the lab work that I order via the Life Extension Foundation because I didn't have insurance that revealed the problem. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 You can order " nature's way " brand from iherb.com That is what I use. $20 for a bottle. I take two caps a day. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of wmmarbury Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Lowering Estradiol Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper? The Indolplex with DIM that I am now taking states that it has 120 mg of the Indolplex complex. I paid $38 for 60 tablets. It is produced by Phytopharmica of Green Bay, Wisconsin. I bought it through Amazon.com Online. Does anyone know where Indolplex can be bought cheaper? I have been taking Indolplex for 18 days - usually one tablet per day with a meal. I'll have to wait until July, 2008, to have my Estradiol level checked again, so I don't know what effect the Indolplex is having. The normal range given to me for Estradiol is < or = 29 pg/mL (less than or equal to 29 pg/mL); my level is 37 pg/mL. Other normal ranges have a high of 50 or 70 pg/mL. My test was done through the Veterans' Administration (VA); my endocrinologist said that this is definitely the test for Estradiol. In order not to stimulate the excessive production of aromatase in my body, I am using the gell twice a day and rubbing in only about 8 mg at a time. It seems logical that the more times per day that the application of the gell is made, the less that the body will be stimulated to produce aromatase, and, therefore, the less that the applied testosterone will be converted by the aromatase into Estradiol. I tried rubbing in 50 mg of the gell all at the same time for a couple of days, but I found myself becoming very fatigued during the day; I had to take a nap on those days. Evidently, my body reacts very quickly to exogenous testosterone and immediately produces the enzyme aromatase, which converts much of the testosterone into Estradiol, which causes fatigue. I have cut back to about 16 mg per day of the gell, and I now rub in twice a day. Thanks again Phil for your insight on these matters. Bill > Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking Indolplex > (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor? > > Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected? > > Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a > prescription? > > My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down into > the twenties. > > I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems that > aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone into > Estradiol. > > I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and cabbage > daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the > metabolism of Estradiol. > > Thanks for the help, Bill > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hi Steve, Thanks for the tip about the anti-aging website http://www.antiaging- systems.com/ I will definitely be referring to this site in the future. The price for Arimidex is considerably cheaper. I am going to see if I can bring down my estrogen levels with Indolplex first. I just ordered some from the iHerb.com website - 120 tablets for $21 - plus shipping. > > Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced > > Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is > > prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does > > anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper? > > It's $229 for 28 pills here - I've used them before many many times and > occasionally for Arimidex: > http://www.antiaging-systems.com/ > > I used to crush these pills between two spoons and then divide them up > into 8ths with a sharp knife. I then scraped each bit into a small > capsule and took one a day. At one point my estrogen was 54 and the lab > reference range ended at 54 at the time. I didn't feel any different > but I knew it wasn't a good thing from reading the Life Extension > Foundation articles so I saw two endos to fix the problem. > > The first endo had never prescribed Arimidex and wanted me to have > breast removal surgery so I wouldn't have to " worry " about high > estrogen. I really pissed him off when I insisted that there were > estrogen receptors elsewhere in the body and I wasn't going to have that > all removed and then I insisted on a prescription for Arimidex and saw > NO reason to do any kind of surgery. He gave me what he thought was one > month and said not to see him again. He wasn't listening or he would > have realized that it was really a 30 week supply. That gave me time to > find alternative sources. > > I had recently switched to weekly shots under the direction of my uro > who didn't want to touch a high estrogen problem. The endos were her > referrals. The second endo wanted me stop the shots and go on creams. > I had already been on patches and that had stopped working. I told her > I didn't have insurance and the amount she was prescribing would be > about $6000 a year. The injections were only about $100 a year at the > time. We ultimately had it out and she insisted that if I was to > continue injections, I needed to come into her clinic every three weeks > to get them. Hogwash! I ordered the Arimidex from the web site above > which was one of the only places on the net at the time and went back to > my uro and told her (ok, I lied to her) the endos didn't think my > estrogen was a problem and that I should just continue the injections as > I had been doing. My uro was completely fine with what. I took > Arimidex on the side for about 2 - 2.5 years and finally stopped as I > began to suspect that I didn't need it any more. My estrogen on > injections now ranges between 10-19 without Arimidex. > > Given a choice between injections and patches and/or creams, I'll take > injections 100% of the time. Anyone used the scrotal patch? That was > the first one I was prescribed and used for over a year until I learned > about other patch options and got a change in prescription. Using a > blow dryer and shaving so the patch will stick is not my idea of a good > time. The hot Tucson AZ sun didn't lend itself to having patches stay > where they were placed all the time. > > It is possible that I had high estrogen for years and it was only the > lab work that I order via the Life Extension Foundation because I didn't > have insurance that revealed the problem. > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... > > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html > > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Nature's way did not move my E2 at all I later found out from some of the guys taking it with oil makes it work gets past the stomach with out dieing. I think he opened the caps and pored the DIM into some Olive oil then took it. Most of the guys I tell about this don't have night time and morning wood and they get it back in about 2 to 4 weeks this is a good gage on it working. So when on it DIM that is if you get morning wood and it stops this can mean your going down to low on your E2 so stop it until the wood comes back that day go back on it but do half the dose. Tom Sweet <thomasjsweet@...> wrote: You can order " nature's way " brand from iherb.com That is what I use. $20 for a bottle. I take two caps a day. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of wmmarbury Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Lowering Estradiol Thanks for the information Phil. I was just at a pharmacy and priced Arimidex: $310 for 30 tablets - that's about $10 per tablet. This is prohibitively expensive. (They are probably 100 mg tablets.) Does anyone know where it can be gotten cheaper? The Indolplex with DIM that I am now taking states that it has 120 mg of the Indolplex complex. I paid $38 for 60 tablets. It is produced by Phytopharmica of Green Bay, Wisconsin. I bought it through Amazon.com Online. Does anyone know where Indolplex can be bought cheaper? I have been taking Indolplex for 18 days - usually one tablet per day with a meal. I'll have to wait until July, 2008, to have my Estradiol level checked again, so I don't know what effect the Indolplex is having. The normal range given to me for Estradiol is < or = 29 pg/mL (less than or equal to 29 pg/mL); my level is 37 pg/mL. Other normal ranges have a high of 50 or 70 pg/mL. My test was done through the Veterans' Administration (VA); my endocrinologist said that this is definitely the test for Estradiol. In order not to stimulate the excessive production of aromatase in my body, I am using the gell twice a day and rubbing in only about 8 mg at a time. It seems logical that the more times per day that the application of the gell is made, the less that the body will be stimulated to produce aromatase, and, therefore, the less that the applied testosterone will be converted by the aromatase into Estradiol. I tried rubbing in 50 mg of the gell all at the same time for a couple of days, but I found myself becoming very fatigued during the day; I had to take a nap on those days. Evidently, my body reacts very quickly to exogenous testosterone and immediately produces the enzyme aromatase, which converts much of the testosterone into Estradiol, which causes fatigue. I have cut back to about 16 mg per day of the gell, and I now rub in twice a day. Thanks again Phil for your insight on these matters. Bill > Are there any other ways of lowering Estradiol than taking Indolplex > (with DIM)capsules or taking an aromatase ihnibitor? > > Are all aromatase inhibitors, such as Arimidex, to be injected? > > Can aromatase inhibitors be bought at local pharmacies with a > prescription? > > My Estradiol level is 37 pg/mL, and I would like to bring it down into > the twenties. > > I am now applying the gell Testim at 25 mg per day, but it seems that > aromatase is still converting some of the exogenous testosterone into > Estradiol. > > I don't eat soy products or grapefruits, and I eat brocalli and cabbage > daily since cruciferous vegetables are known to facilitate the > metabolism of Estradiol. > > Thanks for the help, Bill > > > > > > > Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. " > Phil > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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