Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

[Guest guest]

Where are you getting the stuff most men that need Testosterone are a mess it

takes a lot of time and playing with the dose to get tuned up right then it

takes the body a long time to undo the damage done by being low. One gets

better a little at time for a long time. If you asking about men that do

Anabolic Steroids your in the wrong place here we don't talk about them in

regards to how to use them or how they work.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt <mattobrien71@...>

> Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

>

> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> Why is it that if you give one person

> the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> Is that how your genetics are set?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

no I'm talking about how different people are stronger and easily gain natural

muscle than others, that's genetic right?

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, October 20, 2009 8:07:08 AM

Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

 

Where are you getting the stuff most men that need Testosterone are a mess it

takes a lot of time and playing with the dose to get tuned up right then it

takes the body a long time to undo the damage done by being low. One gets better

a little at time for a long time. If you asking about men that do Anabolic

Steroids your in the wrong place here we don't talk about them in regards to how

to use them or how they work.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

>

> Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> Why is it that if you give one person

> the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> Is that how your genetics are set?

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Part of the issue is genetics, which can contribute to one person actually

having more muscles than another, having greater ability to develop certain

muscles, or having higher amounts of hormones that lead to having a more defined

or a bulkier appearance without training or in response to the same amount of

training. However, certain factors that people can control can make a huge

difference, including the actual volume lifted (reps, sets, and weight), lifting

method, diet, recovery protocol, etc. Genetics accounts for things like

relative amount of myostatin, a protein which limits on muscular development.

Mutations can reduce the amount of myostatin such that animals develop massive

muscularity (like the Belgian Blue Bull) or certain types of greyhounds.

Regarding testosterone's involvement in this, some men don't get as much out of

testosterone administration or endogenously produced testosterone due to

differences in androgen receptors, different levels of enzymatic activity like

5-alpha-reductase and aromatase, etc. Also, it seems that

weight-lifting/testosterone can increase the number of myonuclei and androgen

receptors by extension , further increasing stimulation of muscle growth from

testosterone

(http://www.thinkmuscle.com/ARTICLES/haycock/androgen-receptors-02.htm). I

would imagine that levels of inflammation (from injury or some

chronic/underlying condition) would also minimize the effectiveness of

testosterone, requiring more to exert the same anabolic/androgenic effect

compared to a person with less inflammation.

~Xian

>

> > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

> >

> > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > Why is it that if you give one person

> > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> > muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> > Is that how your genetics are set?

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

that is honestly fascinating. seriously, I am learning stuff I never knew from

being a member here.

ade

> >

> > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> > > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> > > muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Its called people that are hard gainers usually are very undermethylated which

have a greater inability to break down toxins which can accumulate from exercise

(lactic acid,nutrient metabolism, ect). Genetically people have different

ability to have utilize testosterone. I have seen people with T levels at 350

and they are monsters never using steroids. There body uses T so efficient it

is scarey. Some body builders use myostatin inhibitors which can cause muscle

to grow past genetic potetial. These combined with GH,igf-1, are the way bb are

getting huge pushing the genetic envelope. Sprinters will be leaner and more

musculat vs long distance runner s are long an lanky. The best genetics is to

have combination of both.

> > >

> > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> > > > muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

The reason I'm so confused with this is because before my hypogonadism I was a

very strong 15 year old, on the board for lifting in the school gym, state

wrestler, and with the low T it's like I'm half of what I used to be.

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From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 7:21:28 AM

Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

 

Its called people that are hard gainers usually are very undermethylated which

have a greater inability to break down toxins which can accumulate from exercise

(lactic acid,nutrient metabolism, ect). Genetically people have different

ability to have utilize testosterone. I have seen people with T levels at 350

and they are monsters never using steroids. There body uses T so efficient it is

scarey. Some body builders use myostatin inhibitors which can cause muscle to

grow past genetic potetial.. These combined with GH,igf-1, are the way bb are

getting huge pushing the genetic envelope. Sprinters will be leaner and more

musculat vs long distance runner s are long an lanky. The best genetics is to

have combination of both.

> > >

> > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> > > > muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes but you also abused your body probably for a long time. There was a study

done on athletes that were foot ball players and found that during their season

there were many nutrient deficiency that were found as well as testosterone

levels 30-40% below baseline reading. Do remeember these guys where not dieting

and added undue stress to their bodies as wrestlers do. The minerals that are

deficiency are also minerals that activate hormone receptors and also pituitary

function. Iodine deficiency runs rampant in your are so I would check that out

ASAP

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

If I remember right there are 3 types of male body groups one is wire these men

can't put on muscle and look thin but are dam strong. Then second group are what

I call avg. the can put on muscle and build up more then the 3rd. group like my

self look like weight lifters and are strong without working out when they do

they get very big. Here is a link that sorta talks about this.

http://www.projectswole.com/weight-training/body-types-mesomorph-ectomorph-endom\

orph/

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > Subject: Testosterone genetics,

> reaction

> >

> > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > Why is it that if you give one person

> > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of

> them

> > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a

> lean

> > muscular monster, and the other would just be

> average?

> > Is that how your genetics are set?

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Matt I sent you a PM at the MESO forum I seen my Dr. yesterday and when I was

done I asked him about you and if he felt he knew what was wrong with you. I

was shocked that he said to have you send him in the mail a copy of all your

labs and how your feeling and what you feel you did before this happened. So it

looks to me that he will tell you what he thinks free.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:38 AM

> The reason I'm so confused with this

> is because before my hypogonadism I was a very strong 15

> year old, on the board for lifting in the school gym, state

> wrestler, and with the low T it's like I'm half of what I

> used to be.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 7:21:28 AM

> Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics,

> reaction

>

>  

> Its called people that are hard gainers usually are very

> undermethylated which have a greater inability to break down

> toxins which can accumulate from exercise (lactic

> acid,nutrient metabolism, ect). Genetically people have

> different ability to have utilize testosterone. I have seen

> people with T levels at 350 and they are monsters never

> using steroids. There body uses T so efficient it is scarey.

> Some body builders use myostatin inhibitors which can cause

> muscle to grow past genetic potetial.. These combined with

> GH,igf-1, are the way bb are getting huge pushing the

> genetic envelope. Sprinters will be leaner and more musculat

> vs long distance runner s are long an lanky. The best

> genetics is to have combination of both.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@

> >

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> genetics, reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58

> PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as

> another, one of them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot

> better and become a lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would

> just be average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hard why don't you post a link to a picture of your self in your best shape.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:21 AM

> Its called people that are hard

> gainers usually are very undermethylated which have a

> greater inability to break down toxins which can accumulate

> from exercise (lactic acid,nutrient metabolism, ect). 

> Genetically people have different ability to have utilize

> testosterone. I have seen people with T levels at 350 and

> they are monsters never using steroids.  There body

> uses T so efficient it is scarey.  Some body builders

> use myostatin inhibitors which can cause muscle to grow past

> genetic potetial. These combined with GH,igf-1, are the way

> bb are getting huge pushing the genetic envelope. Sprinters

> will be leaner and more musculat vs long distance runner s

> are long an lanky.  The best genetics is to have

> combination of both.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@

> >

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> genetics, reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58

> PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as

> another, one of them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot

> better and become a lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would

> just be average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4588

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@

> > >

> > > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> > genetics, reaction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58

> > PM

> > > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > > the same amount of testosterone as

> > another, one of them

> > > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot

> > better and become a lean

> > > > > > muscular monster, and the other would

> > just be average?

> > > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > ------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Matt,

were you taking any freaky supplements that may have caused your T slide?

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I tend toward the ectomorph frame. I think what did me in with the low T and the

adrenal problems was the low rep work I was doing. I was doing a workout called

rippetoes 5x5. Too much work with not enough recovery. I was getting strong and

putting on muscle, then about 2 yrs. ago it all stopped. Now I know the

importance of recovery. Plus I will be cycling the reps from low to high.

Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means massive or anything. I just enjoyed lifting

weights and saw progress. I've been off the last 2 months. Bitter medicine to

swallow, but needed.

> >

> > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > Subject: Testosterone genetics,

> > reaction

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of

> > them

> > > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a

> > lean

> > > muscular monster, and the other would just be

> > average?

> > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Eating disorder and weight loss along with extreme lifting.

________________________________

From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 12:06:44 PM

Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

 

Matt,

were you taking any freaky supplements that may have caused your T slide?

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone genetics, reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as another, one of them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better and become a lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would just be average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

was that you before or after steroids/

________________________________

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 11:03:35 AM

Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

 

http://www.musclech atroom.com/ forum/showthread .php?t=4588

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@

> > ..com>

> > > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> > genetics, reaction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58

> > PM

> > > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > > the same amount of testosterone as

> > another, one of them

> > > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot

> > better and become a lean

> > > > > > muscular monster, and the other would

> > just be average?

> > > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > ------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Jim this happens all the time I read this everyday at forums and so does

Hardasnails. I just got back from the Gym and today I upped my load and have a

good pump on my muscles the Hot Shower felt dam good but I am still not

recovered and I have been home 2 hrs. If you don't let your body recover you

tear it down and over work your adrenals, Thyroid and Testosterone levels with

them goes your Growth Hormones this is the first one to take a hit. Because

your body is mixing all your hormones up trying to fix the problem. And most of

the time this makes it worse.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:27 PM

> Phil,

> I tend toward the ectomorph frame. I think what did me in

> with the low T and the adrenal problems was the low rep work

> I was doing. I was doing a workout called rippetoes 5x5. Too

> much work with not enough recovery. I was getting strong and

> putting on muscle, then about 2 yrs. ago it all stopped. Now

> I know the importance of recovery. Plus I will be cycling

> the reps from low to high.

>

> Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means massive or anything. I

> just enjoyed lifting weights and saw progress. I've been off

> the last 2 months. Bitter medicine to swallow, but needed.

>

>

> > >

> > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > Subject: Testosterone

> genetics,

> > > reaction

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > the same amount of testosterone as another,

> one of

> > > them

> > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better

> and become a

> > > lean

> > > > muscular monster, and the other would just

> be

> > > average?

> > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Why is it we are so weak these days? Our ancestors fought wars, famines and

other problems with out it even effecting them in the long run.

Is it just cruel evolution or what?

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 3:10:04 PM

Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

 

Jim this happens all the time I read this everyday at forums and so does

Hardasnails. I just got back from the Gym and today I upped my load and have a

good pump on my muscles the Hot Shower felt dam good but I am still not

recovered and I have been home 2 hrs. If you don't let your body recover you

tear it down and over work your adrenals, Thyroid and Testosterone levels with

them goes your Growth Hormones this is the first one to take a hit. Because your

body is mixing all your hormones up trying to fix the problem. And most of the

time this makes it worse.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150>

> Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:27 PM

> Phil,

> I tend toward the ectomorph frame. I think what did me in

> with the low T and the adrenal problems was the low rep work

> I was doing. I was doing a workout called rippetoes 5x5. Too

> much work with not enough recovery. I was getting strong and

> putting on muscle, then about 2 yrs.. ago it all stopped. Now

> I know the importance of recovery. Plus I will be cycling

> the reps from low to high.

>

> Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means massive or anything. I

> just enjoyed lifting weights and saw progress. I've been off

> the last 2 months. Bitter medicine to swallow, but needed.

>

>

> > >

> > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > Subject: Testosterone

> genetics,

> > > reaction

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > the same amount of testosterone as another,

> one of

> > > them

> > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better

> and become a

> > > lean

> > > > muscular monster, and the other would just

> be

> > > average?

> > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Matt,

Perception is not always truth. I have been miserable for years prior to help

from Phil and others. Live life to the fullest not according to what is lacking

but to what you have in abundance. I can't have an errection but I love my

wife. I have it great. I just can't have sexual intercourse. Yes at first a

huge ugly monster. Now my cup runneth over. Proper perspective is what you need

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Testosterone

> genetics,

> > > reaction

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > the same amount of testosterone as another,

> one of

> > > them

> > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better

> and become a

> > > lean

> > > > muscular monster, and the other would just

> be

> > > average?

> > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Why do so many like us suffer? Steroid users and recovered stressful even

victims? It doesn't add up.

________________________________

From: " alexanderjones49@... " <alexanderjones49@...>

Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 4:03:50 PM

Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

Matt,

Perception is not always truth.  I have been miserable for years prior to help

from Phil and others. Live life to the fullest not according to what is lacking

but to what you have in abundance.  I can't have an errection but I love my

wife.  I have it great. I just can't have sexual intercourse.  Yes at first a

huge ugly monster.  Now my cup runneth over. Proper perspective is what you need

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Testosterone

> genetics,

> > > reaction

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > the same amount of testosterone as another,

> one of

> > > them

> > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better

> and become a

> > > lean

> > > > muscular monster, and the other would just

> be

> > > average?

> > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

We live in a modern age where farms are not what they use to be I think we are

poisoning are self's we feed cattle corn they can't even digest this crap right

the they pump the up with Estrogen's so they how water so when the process them

there weight is higher more money.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: jim <virtuosa150>

> > Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics,

> reaction

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:27 PM

> > Phil,

> > I tend toward the ectomorph frame. I think what did me

> in

> > with the low T and the adrenal problems was the low

> rep work

> > I was doing. I was doing a workout called rippetoes

> 5x5. Too

> > much work with not enough recovery. I was getting

> strong and

> > putting on muscle, then about 2 yrs.. ago it all

> stopped. Now

> > I know the importance of recovery. Plus I will be

> cycling

> > the reps from low to high.

> >

> > Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means massive or

> anything. I

> > just enjoyed lifting weights and saw progress. I've

> been off

> > the last 2 months. Bitter medicine to swallow, but

> needed.

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@

> >

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> > genetics,

> > > > reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58

> PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as

> another,

> > one of

> > > > them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot

> better

> > and become a

> > > > lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would

> just

> > be

> > > > average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Shit Happens.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: jim <virtuosa150>

> > Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics,

> reaction

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:27 PM

> > Phil,

> > I tend toward the ectomorph frame. I think what did me

> in

> > with the low T and the adrenal problems was the low

> rep work

> > I was doing. I was doing a workout called rippetoes

> 5x5. Too

> > much work with not enough recovery. I was getting

> strong and

> > putting on muscle, then about 2 yrs.. ago it all

> stopped. Now

> > I know the importance of recovery. Plus I will be

> cycling

> > the reps from low to high.

> >

> > Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means massive or

> anything. I

> > just enjoyed lifting weights and saw progress.. I've

> been off

> > the last 2 months. Bitter medicine to swallow, but

> needed.

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@

> >

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> > genetics,

> > > > reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58

> PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as

> another,

> > one of

> > > > them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot

> better

> > and become a

> > > > lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would

> just

> > be

> > > > average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

ACtually i am working on this answer and I may have found why we are so sick it

lies actually in writings that have been around 2000 years. I am also working on

new research that may open new doors to cancer and many other degenerative

disorders. I just have to test my hypothesis out and if it corresponds it will

revolutionize cancer prevention. Every notice that as autism goes up so does

cancer I believe I have the mechanism by how this is explained.

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71@

> > >

> > > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> > > genetics,

> > > > > reaction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58

> > PM

> > > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > > the same amount of testosterone as

> > another,

> > > one of

> > > > > them

> > > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot

> > better

> > > and become a

> > > > > lean

> > > > > > muscular monster, and the other would

> > just

> > > be

> > > > > average?

> > > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > ------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I talked to my endo today. I also am getting a second opinion from hardasnails.

the endo mentioned that BOTH my total and free test were low and she mentioned

that next I'll need a MRI for my pitutitary gland to see if there a tumor

hampering testerone production.

Once shes done with the MRI, chances are that I'll need androgrl.

How is this different than using prohormones?

Im giving my body testerone. Im shutting down the natural production (its

already pretty much shut down) and going to take a supplement for the rest of my

life for testerone.

If this jacks up my levels, both free and total to the higher end near 1000,

where I should be, won't I experience easier time in many things..

attitute change, increased sexual desire, increased ability to build muscle

easier at the gym, concentration, bone density and  better sleep?

have youheard of anyone on androgel, if I go that route, that got the treatment

and all of a sudden became a horndog and was an animal in the gym among other

positive life factors??

Just wondering.

Thank you

Phil

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 4:10:04 PM

Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

 

Jim this happens all the time I read this everyday at forums and so does

Hardasnails. I just got back from the Gym and today I upped my load and have a

good pump on my muscles the Hot Shower felt dam good but I am still not

recovered and I have been home 2 hrs. If you don't let your body recover you

tear it down and over work your adrenals, Thyroid and Testosterone levels with

them goes your Growth Hormones this is the first one to take a hit. Because your

body is mixing all your hormones up trying to fix the problem. And most of the

time this makes it worse.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150>

> Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 1:27 PM

> Phil,

> I tend toward the ectomorph frame. I think what did me in

> with the low T and the adrenal problems was the low rep work

> I was doing. I was doing a workout called rippetoes 5x5. Too

> much work with not enough recovery. I was getting strong and

> putting on muscle, then about 2 yrs. ago it all stopped. Now

> I know the importance of recovery. Plus I will be cycling

> the reps from low to high.

>

> Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means massive or anything. I

> just enjoyed lifting weights and saw progress. I've been off

> the last 2 months. Bitter medicine to swallow, but needed.

>

>

> > >

> > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > Subject: Testosterone

> genetics,

> > > reaction

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > the same amount of testosterone as another,

> one of

> > > them

> > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better

> and become a

> > > lean

> > > > muscular monster, and the other would just

> be

> > > average?

> > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

No, just the big mac diet and a soft lifestyle. All the shit in the food etc.

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> > genetics,

> > > > reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as another,

> > one of

> > > > them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better

> > and become a

> > > > lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would just

> > be

> > > > average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

is the 2d 4d testosterone ratio reliable? Many studies on this have proved true.

It would seem to be true looking at guys around me and their athletic ability

 

________________________________

From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 8:34:05 PM

Subject: Re: Testosterone genetics, reaction

 

No, just the big mac diet and a soft lifestyle. All the shit in the food etc.

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattobrien71>

> > > > > Subject: Testosterone

> > genetics,

> > > > reaction

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 9:58 PM

> > > > > Why is it that if you give one person

> > > > > the same amount of testosterone as another,

> > one of

> > > > them

> > > > > would respond to the hormone a lot better

> > and become a

> > > > lean

> > > > > muscular monster, and the other would just

> > be

> > > > average?

> > > > > Is that how your genetics are set?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

> > > > >