Re: I have no GB

June 25, 2003

> Also, my age, 50, I have many things that I need to do in my scriptural

> studies. Doing this gallstone stuff takes a lot of time that I no longer

have. So

> I'm going to concentrate my energy into other things. Of course, I have

to

> eat healthy. Moderation is the key!!!

>

> Susie

Susie, I understand how you feel...I have been dealing with

my GB since I was in my mid 30's...learned about flushing

then. I am now 51, and notice that stones really " piled up "

quite a bit in the 5 year gap between my last flush and the

one I did over a year ago when I started up with them again.

I am finding new ways to be handle my diet and flushing,

but trying not to make it a big focus in my life (though I do

love reading and discussing on this list :-) but just do what

I can when I can. I, too, have a lot going on with my aging

folks in a lot of need and Dad in the hospital with stroke,

but hopefully over the next year will return to my good habits

and be able to keep the GB. But like you, I am not going

to let it take control of my life, if it begins to do that (my hubby

would say it already has :-) I may do as you are. SO FAR,

I have been fortunate in that none of my attacks have been

the excruciating painful kind. I hope it stays that way.

Take care...by the way, did you have the surgery or are you

going to have it? When? Keep us posted.

L. Meydrech, CN

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" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

June 25, 2003

Hello group,

I wanted to write y'all and tell you what happened. Last Friday at about

1:00 a.m. I had to go to ER. I was hurting in my GB area, my liver and I was

starting to turn yellow. I knew this time was different. So we went to the

little hospital near us, but they still don't have a surgeon there. So they

gave

me some demerol and sent me by ambulance to a larger hospital of our choice in

another city.

When we arrived, I was greeted by several arrogant doctors. They could not

believe that I was doing the cleanses. Basically I feel sorry for these guys.

They have a one-track mind and can't think for themselves. In their mind,

people are not supposed to take charge of their own health. One of them even

said so.

So I had a sonogram. The doctor doing the sonogram brought in another doctor

who was helping him do the sonogram. This doctor was #1 on the ignornant,

narrow-minded list. I almost got in an argument with him about the cleanses,

then I thought to myself, Why even bother talking to people like this? I don't

have to prove anything to him. If he wants to remain ignornant and

narrow-minded, that's his business!!! You can't deal with people who have this

kind of

mindset.

Anyway, I was really a sick puppy. He was the least of my worries. So they

put me in a room. The ultrasound revealed two stones blocking one of my bile

ducts. They put me on a high-powered antibiotic and IV and I was seriously

still turning yellow. My pancreas was ill too!!! Boy, that's the first time

that I have ever had that.

My husband stayed with me while I was there, thankfully!!! Sat. night he

was helping me to the bathroom and I noticed that my yellow was disappearing.

By Sunday morning it had almost disappeared. Oh, yeah, my pee looked like

strong tea. But that changed as soon as the yellow started disappearing. It

appeared that one of my stones had at least either moved or I passed it.

On Monday I was scheduled for an ERCP to take care of those missing stones.

The GI doctor, who also was against cleanses, sweep my bile ducts 5 times

looking for any stone, couldn't find it, then had them hook up an x-ray. At

that

time, he found one stone. The other stone no longer existed. He had no

trouble removing the one stone. It popped right out.

He looked inside my gallbladder, and scratching his head said, " You have no

stones in your GB, I thought that you said you had stones. "

If he would have just listened to me before, which they don't listen anyway,

I had told him that on 4/25 I had a sonogram done and it showed two stones

blocking the mouth of my GB. Then he would have remembered that I said that I

passed them when I did a cleanse in early May.

But it's at this time that I personally decided to give up and have my GB

out, and the reason was is that the wall of my GB was thickening. I decided not

to chance it anymore. I had to make the decision one way or the other. I

decided for surgery. One of the reasons is my age. I'm 50 now. If I was in my

20s or 30s, I would have tried again. But I've been ill for several months

now, so I decided that this was best.

I'll still be on the group. When I get my strenght back I'll probably

cleanse.

Take care,

Susie

June 25, 2003

> Thanks, . There's really some very supportative people on this

list,

> those who have GBs and those who don't.

>

> I already had the surgery. On Monday I had the ERCP.

A week ago Monday or this Monday? Sorry to be

confused :-) How did the surgery go, and how did

you feel after? You can help us still with that kind of

info as some will end up having theirs removed, and

it's always good to hear from someone who has gone

through it first-hand :-)

L. Meydrech, CN

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" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

June 25, 2003

I'm just wondering , if you only had two stones and they were removed one way

or the other, why your gallbladder would continue to thicken. I was told a

year ago that one wall of mine was slightly thickened but still within the

limits of normal, but then I have a large stone

Colleen,

It was my personal decision to go ahead and get my GB out. I took into

account my age and my past history of gallstones. Back in Dec. 2000, I had some

small stones in my GB and had a severe attack. I went to ER and they did an

ultrasound. The wall of my GB was not thickened at that time. Since my

ultrasound on 4/25, it showed some thickening. Then they said after my GB was

removed

that the wall was thickened. I figured that improvement wasn't going to come.

Also, my age, 50, I have many things that I need to do in my scriptural

studies. Doing this gallstone stuff takes a lot of time that I no longer have.

So

I'm going to concentrate my energy into other things. Of course, I have to

eat healthy. Moderation is the key!!!

Susie

June 25, 2003

Susie,

I'm just wondering , if you only had two stones and they were removed one way or

the other, why your gallbladder would continue to thicken. I was told a year ago

that one wall of mine was slightly thickened but still within the limits of

normal, but then I have a large stone. If the stones were gone, couldn't the

gallbladder return to normal? Or did the doctors say something to the contrary

about that?

I pray that you have a good, speedy recovery

AMDG,

Colleen

June 26, 2003

Dale,

Thanks for your kind words. I debated on keeping my GB since I had no

stones, but the thickening was what bothered me. I know it's not really a good

sign

in the GB. About stones in our livers, I wish that I could make doctors

understand that all of us have them. We told the doctors about them, but they

act

like it rarely happens. How can they not know this?

Thanks again,

Susie

June 26, 2003

But anyway, I

wish you recovery and even though I have no gb too, I

still believe in flushes.

You take care,

Thanks, . I still plan on doing cleanses when I gain my strength back.

Also, I'm going to check into the Beta-Plus. I know that it helps people

with no GBs. Just because I have my GB out doesn't mean that I can stop eating

healthy. That's why I have a problem in the first place. If i had eaten healthy

all my life, I wouldn't have had this problem.

However, when I'm better, I'm going to have some kind of chocolate something.

I haven't had anything chocolate since 1999. I just want to try it again.

Susie

June 26, 2003

Take care...by the way, did you have the surgery or are you

going to have it? When? Keep us posted.

Thanks, . There's really some very supportative people on this list,

those who have GBs and those who don't.

I already had the surgery. On Monday I had the ERCP. When I arrived at the

hospital, they did an ultrasound and found two stones. On of which was

blocking my duct. I will tell you that one of the doctors doing the ultrasound

was

so hateful. He was one of the most hateful people I've ever been around. I'm

glad that he wasn't in the room long. I was too sick to be around him very

long. He was arguing about the cleanses and saying it was nonsense. One

doctor even said it was witchcraft. Can you imagine calling the stuff we do the

cleanses with, the olive oil and grapefruit juice, witchcraft?

Anyway, my pancreas was sick too and my liver from the bile backup. But just

as quickly as I turned yellow, it stopped. Sat. afternoon I stopped turning

yellow and it started disappearing. By Sunday morning I was much better and

fever was almost gone. Apparently I passed one of those stones, and the

antibiotics were strong.

Then I also knew that the walls of my GB were getting thick. I had a bad

feeling about keeping it then. I elected to remove it at that time. It was a

painful decision. I guess what helped me make up my mind was I just recently

knew of a man who had his GB removed and had cancer in his GB. That's when I

thought about the thickened walls.

Anyway, I appreciate all of y'all and thankful that I have had this group of

people. I just can't get over the ignorance in today's world of medicine. I

sure hope it changes.

Susie

June 26, 2003

> A week ago Monday or this Monday? Sorry to be

> confused :-) How did the surgery go, and how did

> you feel after? You can help us still with that kind of

> info as some will end up having theirs removed, and

> it's always good to hear from someone who has gone

> through it first-hand :-)

>

,

On Monday I had the ERCP. I was supposed to have it early in the morning,

but they put me off and I had it about 4:00 in the afternoon. Boy, was I weak

from no fluids since before midnight Sunday.

On Tuesday about 12:30, I had my GB removed. I still couldn't have any

fluids nor food, plus no ice to eat. I was terribly weak. The doctor didn't

know

if I could have the lap done or not until he went in there. I had had

previous surgeries years before, and even though the surgeries were lower down,

he

said that sometimes you still build up scar tissue even in the upper abdomen.

But it all worked out.

I feel okay, just sore as heck. It feels as though someone has stabbed my

liver. I'm supposed to eat low fat until he says otherwise because they don't

want my liver producing much bile right now. They want it kind of resting. I

don't have my whole appetite back anyway from being ill with the pancreas

stuff.

Oh, I forgot to tell y'all this. They couldn't get over how large my bile

ducts were. Remember how the cleanse stretches them? That was freaking them

out. Of course, they think the cleanse is hooey anyway. No matter how many

times I told them about cleansing and it stretching the bile ducts, that just

didn't sink in.

Another thing that I forgot to tell y'all. If your pancreas gets inflamed

like mine did, your urine will look like strong tea. It's very, very dark.

Susie

June 26, 2003

Susie;

I'm so glad you are doing better. You have been a valiant fighter for keeping

your organs with which you've started on this earth. However, as is the case

with these organs they eventually will breakdown. Your attempt to keep your

gallbladder certainly hasn't gone unnoticed by many of us here.

You, however, are in a better position of knowledge than many thousands of those

who have had to have their gallbladders removed. You know that the liver is and

will always be the most important organ regarding the formation of stones, and

will be better enabled to handle not having a gallbladder.

I'm truly sorry for your loss

Dale

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Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:02 PM

Subject: Re: I have no GB

Hello group,

I wanted to write y'all and tell you what happened. Last Friday at about

1:00 a.m. I had to go to ER. I was hurting in my GB area, my liver and I was

starting to turn yellow. I knew this time was different. So we went to the

little hospital near us, but they still don't have a surgeon there. So they

gave

me some demerol and sent me by ambulance to a larger hospital of our choice in

another city.

When we arrived, I was greeted by several arrogant doctors. They could not

believe that I was doing the cleanses. Basically I feel sorry for these guys.

They have a one-track mind and can't think for themselves. In their mind,

people are not supposed to take charge of their own health. One of them even

said so.

So I had a sonogram. The doctor doing the sonogram brought in another doctor

who was helping him do the sonogram. This doctor was #1 on the ignornant,

narrow-minded list. I almost got in an argument with him about the cleanses,

then I thought to myself, Why even bother talking to people like this? I don't

have to prove anything to him. If he wants to remain ignornant and

narrow-minded, that's his business!!! You can't deal with people who have

this kind of