Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 > I beleive that ES sufferers would save themselves alot of time and > misery if they were to thoroughly check their RF exposure before > looking for other causes, as I believe that particularly with new > cases of ES that this is the most likely ROOT cause of illness. Hmmm, maybe... I still believe that the root cause of ES for many is that something was already wrong with them in the first place, and the electromagnetic fields merely trigger off a reaction that would not have taken place if they were healthy to begin with. This is confirmed by cases where people have taken steps to improve their health, and their ES symptoms diminish as a result. Yesterday I was at my nutritionist, and I commented that a particular Vitamin E supplement I had tried seemed to be a cure for my ES symptoms (if not for the panic attacks it provoked). She commented as if she had some experience in this area by saying yes, for some people it can be, for others, calcium supplementation may be the key, etc. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 I am inclined to agree with Marc. My husband and I have not yet proven this theory by resolving the underlying health issues/weaknesses that were triggered by EMF exposure, causing our ES. But we're working on it. In my case I believe the " root cause " was toxicity from amalgam fillings (currently being removed, in stages). In the case of my husband I believe it was toxicity from a root canal (we are searching for the right dentist to do the extraction now). EMF exposure is obviously a great stressor but clearly people vary in their apparent vulnerability to this stress. I'm convinced that eliminating toxins and improved nutrition are keys to recovery. As well as EMF avoidance to the extent possible, of course! Cara I still believe that the root cause of ES for many > is that something was already wrong with them in the first place, > and the electromagnetic fields merely trigger off a reaction > that would not have taken place if they were healthy to begin with. > This is confirmed by cases where people have taken steps to improve > their health, and their ES symptoms diminish as a result. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 > > I still believe that the root cause of ES for many > > is that something was already wrong with them in the first place, > > and the electromagnetic fields merely trigger off a reaction > > that would not have taken place if they were healthy to begin with. > > This is confirmed by cases where people have taken steps to improve > > their health, and their ES symptoms diminish as a result. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 > Hi, Cara you have been back here for awhile, and i am glad. Just so we are on the same page. This tooth thing (amalgams) may not be a root cause for me, but i do not see how i would have gotten this far without removing them (or it, is the bit the word in English as well?? the thing a horse is lead by??). Just a slight difference in language, it was a mayor part of the problem removed, removing the physical version of it.. Love and Light > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 What your Dr. just did to you is what we talk about all the time here. You don't go on testosterone meds until you figure out why your low. Now your Dr. has you on Gels then he tests your LH and FSH this is stupid going on TRT shuts this down now your going to see an Endo good luck with that if you have to pay to see this guy cancel it. You said in your start of your post this. (However, one thing that is bothering me a bit is the lack of any root cause analysis. We seem to be treating the symptom - low T and not the cause of the low T.) And here at this forum we tell men over and over again not to go on TRT until you know why your low. Now your going to have a hard time finding out way your brain is now seeing Testosterone in your blood and going nuts over it. Even stopping the gels now there is a big chance you will not go back to were you were before going on the gels. If a Dr. see a tumor in your body does he jump into treating cancer without testing to see if it is cancer. I now am telling you do go see Dr. this is your best bet. I went 23 yrs being treated for Low T told I was Primary. I never felt a 100% was off work in sick leave more then I was at work. Dr. found this taking to me on the forums helped me get my Dr. to let me try HCG going on this my levels doubled so my testis do make T. My Dr. now seen this and he is the best Dr. I have seen after many. He ordered an MRI it come back clean no tumor in my pituitary. But because I got sick after an auto accident that gave me a bad head injury I am now being treated for Hypopituitary Problems and doing much better. Don't go down that road I had to go down see someone that knows what he is doing. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ihor <ihor43us@...> > Subject: Root Cause > > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 2:39 PM > I am new here - have been reading all the posts and am very > impressed > with the level of practical expertise. > > However, one thing that is bothering me a bit is the lack > of any root > cause analysis. We seem to be treating the symptom - low T > and not the > cause of the low T. > > I am just starting on the path you guys have been on for > sometime - > just started my Androgel (Total T = 137). > > Seeing an Endo in two weeks - my doctor has me on 5mgm > Androgel - > which he started three weeks ago. One week ago he did the > LH, E2 and > FSH test on my insistence based on what I read here. So > after two > weeks on 5mgms Androgel, we have Total T = 335, LH <.2, > FSH <.9, E2 = > 39. Doc wants to keep me on 5mgms until I see the endo. > > I will give the endo a fair try, but based on what I have > learned > here, my expectations are high. If I do not get a sense > that he is > clued in, I will be making a pilgrimage to Dr. . BTW, > has any one > here had any experience with an outfit called > " Cenegenics " ? > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Excellent points Phil. That is why I am so grateful to you et al on this site. So, I am looking into this Cenegenics outfit that claims to deal with age related male decline. They are relatively local - I am in Dallas they are in Fort Worth which is much closer than Lansing MI. HOWEVER, I am now very cautious - don't want amateurs messing with my hormones. Unless I get some very warm fuzzies re this Cenegenecs outfit it will have to be Dr. and the Man Cave. Think I should stop the androgel? I know you can't give med advise so, what would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I have spoke to cengenics. Seems over priced with a bunch of diagnostics located at resorts and spas, $3K for diagnostics and the $11K per year average to maintain you on a hormone regiment. Seems a little much especially since none of it is covered by insurance. Also, treating the cause for low T is something that is interesting especially since I assume there are many causes. For me my iron overage devastated my pituitary. No physical scaring or tumors or size reduction just messed up anterior lobe signaling. While there has been scuttle about some attempting to create a pituitary or restore with stems it just is not here yet. > > I am new here - have been reading all the posts and am very impressed > with the level of practical expertise. > > However, one thing that is bothering me a bit is the lack of any root > cause analysis. We seem to be treating the symptom - low T and not the > cause of the low T. > > I am just starting on the path you guys have been on for sometime - > just started my Androgel (Total T = 137). > > Seeing an Endo in two weeks - my doctor has me on 5mgm Androgel - > which he started three weeks ago. One week ago he did the LH, E2 and > FSH test on my insistence based on what I read here. So after two > weeks on 5mgms Androgel, we have Total T = 335, LH <.2, FSH <.9, E2 = > 39. Doc wants to keep me on 5mgms until I see the endo. > > I will give the endo a fair try, but based on what I have learned > here, my expectations are high. If I do not get a sense that he is > clued in, I will be making a pilgrimage to Dr. . BTW, has any one > here had any experience with an outfit called " Cenegenics " ? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I agree with a Phil. If your doctor did not do the preliminary diagnostic tests to look for the cause of your low Testosterone, your doc does not know what he or she is doing. This is evident by placing you on exogenous T (androgel) and then testing for your LH and FSH. This should have been done before you put on your first application/doseage of androgel. Regardless of whether you are primary or secondary, adding exogenous T to your system will decrease your LH and FSH to below your pre-TRT levels. By doing this, it is going to be difficult to tell whether you are primary(testicle failure), secondary(pituitary failure), or a variant caused by a pituitary tumor that releases abnormal levels of prolactin which shuts down the HPTA. You will have to go off of exogenous T for at least 30 days(according to Dr. Crowley @ Harvard) in order to get back to your baseline FSH and LH levels. Now for root causes-in order to get to the root cause of your problem there are several tests and questions that you need to have done/answered. First, what is your prolactin level? If it is high, are you taking any psychotropic drugs? If not, have you had a MRI to look at your pituitary gland? Second, do you have gynocomastia? Have you had a major head injury? Have you ever injured one or both testicles? Have you had a genetic analysis done? Until you have addressed these variables, a discussion of the underlying cause of your low T or hypogonadism is not going to be productive or meaningful. Furthermore your doctor should have done a DRE and the prostate blood test before starting you on TRT to get your baseline levels and to be sure that you do not have prostate problems. Also, high estrogen is just as bad if not worse for giving you BPH symtoms than a prostate infection or high levels of Testosterone Also if you suspect that you have had low T for some time, you are at risk for osteoporosis, and a doc who knows what he is doing would have had you do a preliminary bone density scan to make sure that this is not an issue for you. Also, if your problem is pituitary based, there is a likelyhood that you have other hormone issues as well-perhaps thyroid. I would recomend that you read the AACE Hypogonadism Treatment guidelines in the files section and print one off for your doctor. If he/she has an open mind and a modestly sized ego, he or she will no doubt learn something. Also, many endocrinologists primarily focus on diabetes and thyroid issues, and they are not up to par on a comprehensive TRT program. I have seen three different endos, and the first two were rude, incompitent, and arrogant. Only one of them knew TRT and male reproductive endocrinology, and that was Dr. Crowley at Harvard Medical School. His associate Dr. Francis Pettilude is also brilliant and they treat and study men with hypogonadism from all over the world. One bit of wisdom that took me quite some time, money and the headache of dealing with several different doctors--just being " in range " is not good enough. You have to find where your own personal range is, and that varries a bit from person to person. I personally did not start to see all the benefits of TRT until I was at 800 plus and using an aromitase inhibitor to keep my E levels under 1/40th of my total T which for me is about 20-25. Your milage may vary. Good luck with your search for answers. If you can approach your doc about reading the AACE handbook and some of the studies in the file section, it may be in your best interests to keep your GP as they tend to be a bit more open minded to learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Cenegenics no your much better off seeing Dr. or any good Dr. guys with low T see. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ihor <ihor43us@...> > Subject: Re: Root Cause > > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 8:03 PM > Excellent points Phil. That is why I am so grateful to you > et al on > this site. > > So, I am looking into this Cenegenics outfit that claims to > deal with > age related male decline. They are relatively local - I am > in Dallas > they are in Fort Worth which is much closer than Lansing > MI. > > HOWEVER, I am now very cautious - don't want amateurs > messing with my > hormones. Unless I get some very warm fuzzies re this > Cenegenecs > outfit it will have to be Dr. and the Man Cave. > > Think I should stop the androgel? I know you can't give > med advise so, > what would you do? > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 If these prices are true...they have turned very inexpensive bio identicals (testosterone, Armour thyroid, HC,etc) into boutique medicine. They are preying on desperate sick people who will spend anything to feel better. They suck for doing that. Neil > > > > I am new here - have been reading all the posts and am very impressed > > with the level of practical expertise. > > > > However, one thing that is bothering me a bit is the lack of any root > > cause analysis. We seem to be treating the symptom - low T and not the > > cause of the low T. > > > > I am just starting on the path you guys have been on for sometime - > > just started my Androgel (Total T = 137). > > > > Seeing an Endo in two weeks - my doctor has me on 5mgm Androgel - > > which he started three weeks ago. One week ago he did the LH, E2 and > > FSH test on my insistence based on what I read here. So after two > > weeks on 5mgms Androgel, we have Total T = 335, LH <.2, FSH <.9, E2 = > > 39. Doc wants to keep me on 5mgms until I see the endo. > > > > I will give the endo a fair try, but based on what I have learned > > here, my expectations are high. If I do not get a sense that he is > > clued in, I will be making a pilgrimage to Dr. . BTW, has any one > > here had any experience with an outfit called " Cenegenics " ? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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