Re: Psychological effects of hypogonadism

October 14, 2008

Hi ,

I feel the Psychological feelings come after or do to the low hormones when I

first got sick 25 yrs ago Dr.'s tested everything but hormones. I was off work

on sick leave yep low T made me so dam sick I could not work.

So what happens the dam Dr.'s tell me I am suffering from Major Depression and

because I was off work on sick leave I had to go along with this. I was on

every kind of AD drug on the market this crap when on for 5 yrs and them head

Dr.'s almost cost me my job and marriage.

Long story shot you can read it at this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

Still when the Dr. found me to have low T he still did not have it right I was

told I am Primary meaning my testis don't work after being on TRT for over 23

yrs and just getting by I found out I am not Primary but I am Secondary my

pituitary is bad do to a head injury some 25 yrs. ago. Now we treat all the low

hormones that the pituitary controls and I am now after all this time doing much

better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <victorinocks@...>

> Subject: Psychological effects of hypogonadism

>

> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 9:59 AM

> This may sound like a dumb question but I am relatively new

> to the

> group and have not seen this topic discussed. The

> psychological

> effects of hypogonadism ; are they due to physiological

> reasons or

> just plain old anger, depression and anxiety from having it

> (hypo)? In

> essence, which came first? the chicken or the egg?

> One of the issues I am finally coming to terms with are my

> experiences

> as a boy and teenager with hypo. They were not good and

> created a lot

> anxiety and resentment in my life. I have been in

> counseling for

> several years and it wasnt until a change to new psych

> doctor that I

> have finally " broke thru that wall " . His first

> question about hypo

> was " how did that make you feel? " Until now, I

> never talked about my

> hypo just kept it to myself and tried to cover up the

> effects both

> physically and mentally. I lived in denial and

> embarrassment. My new

> psych doctor suggested support groups like this to talk

> about it with

> others that have the same experiences. I am glad to have

> found this

> site. I dont feel like the only with it and comforted to

> see it can be

> controlled with proper living and medication.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

October 14, 2008

Oh, it is a double edged sword...

Low testosterone and/or high estrogen will make you

lethargic, depressed, irritable and apathetic.

Physiologically, this happens because low T and/or

high E causes your system to bind up more of your

thyroid hormones in THBG. This makes you tired,

put on weight easily, and depressed. It also further

lowers your T. Physical side effects aside, this

condition eats away at your self esteem and self

worth. One of the symptoms is being so apathetic

that you don't really care if you get better or not.

Nasty.

Then there are the physical side effects. Man, that

strikes right at the core of your identity. I won't go

into all of that because it sounds like you have in

counseling.

In this case it isn't chicken and egg, it's more like

crocodile and alligator or python and poisonous

snake. They both eat you up and make you feel

smaller and less significant and can poison relationships

and everything you care about...... And, it doesn't

get the attention that something like menopause

gets. They get mad and throw things while we

just whither while our will to live leaks away.

Oh, and so many of us wind up on SSRI's which

cause even more problems. I'm so glad there are

groups like this where we can share knowledge

and experiences, and help to educate our docs.

-Mike

>

> This may sound like a dumb question but I am relatively new to the

> group and have not seen this topic discussed. The psychological

> effects of hypogonadism ; are they due to physiological reasons or

> just plain old anger, depression and anxiety from having it (hypo)? In

> essence, which came first? the chicken or the egg?

> One of the issues I am finally coming to terms with are my experiences

> as a boy and teenager with hypo. They were not good and created a lot

> anxiety and resentment in my life. I have been in counseling for

> several years and it wasnt until a change to new psych doctor that I

> have finally " broke thru that wall " . His first question about hypo

> was " how did that make you feel? " Until now, I never talked about my

> hypo just kept it to myself and tried to cover up the effects both

> physically and mentally. I lived in denial and embarrassment. My new

> psych doctor suggested support groups like this to talk about it with

> others that have the same experiences. I am glad to have found this

> site. I dont feel like the only with it and comforted to see it can be

> controlled with proper living and medication.

>

October 14, 2008

I have also dealt with psychological difficulties all my life, but I am doing

much better. It may be a situation where the Endocrine system due to low T,

cannot secrete certain hormones in healthy levels to where they need to travel.

As I am learning how to control my mental issues, I realized I felt really

inferior, due to not maturing in areas of my body as I should have. Also, I

always suffered from weight issues, and fatigue, and being anti society in

dating, etc. Now I know I had high " E2 " and low T for the longest.

I think the Endocrine system and other aspects of our biology should be more

researched toward the effects of mental health. I have noticed we primarily

focus on the medication and ranges of Endocrine but not the different hormones

its in charge of secreting.

October 14, 2008

Hi UU, I did not have to deal with weight issues but had sexual immaturity as a

teenager. This had a profound effect on adolescence. Feelings of insecurity

and " less than " were very common, they still pop up as an adult. For me, I

have been keeping these feelings locked up for 40+ years and now beginning to

deal with them. I too, believe there is a healthy balance of physical and

mental health. We need both to feel good. As I can recall, it can be

devastating for teenage boys to compare themselves with other boys ( locker

room) Hypogonadism only compounds the feelings of inadequacy even more. I

will find the proper balance.

From: U U <uu1845@...>

Subject: Re: Psychological effects of hypogonadism

Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 5:07 PM