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Tomas what are your levels at 7.5 grams of Androgel and do keep an eye on your

E2 and DHT. It is a small range on E2 between 10 to 30 best around 20 to 25. I

use my morning wood as a gauge to keep from going to low if my wood stops I stop

all meds for E2 until the wood comes back then I got back on them but do less.

You would do good to now add HCG 250 IU's every 3 days now to help keep you

libido up and you testis full.

Phil

Tomas D Bertmark <tomas.bertmark@...> wrote:

Phil - I am on Androgel. Started with 2.5 mg, felt little. Upped to

5 mg and felt better, but T still too low. Increased to 7.5 mg and

feel good. T is improving as well, as is E2. Will follow your advice

and continue Zinc supplementation. Will not begin I3C again for now -

for some reason it has a great effect on me.

> Just received my latest lab results. T is finally showing signs

of

> improving (500), as is E2 (24). LH and FSH as expected below

horizon.

> IF you want to see results and history go to:

> http://tinyurl.com/aohjt

> Stopped with I3C and Zinc, which could explain the rise in E2. But

why

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Gentlemen,

 New Lab results:   Need interpretation.   Based on Testim1%  5grm per day

Testosterone Serum 133 L  ng/dl     range 241-827

T3 Uptake  29   range 24-39

T4 Free direct  1.33      range  0.61-1.76

Antithyroglobulin Ab  ICMA Methodology      <20        IU/ml    range 0-40

DHT  24 ng/dl      range 30-85

DHEA  166  ng/dl     range 107-745

TSH   1.524 uIU/ml    range 0.350-5.500

Estradiol    20pg/ml       range 0-53

zinc, b12, ferritin all high for the range

***What should be done to get the  T, DHT, DHEA in the upper 1/3???? 

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I feel the gel is not getting through your skin to bring up your levels. You

can try a higher dose 10grms to put testim on you need to put it on your upper

arms and shoulders and down your back as far as your can reach. Then rub it in

well it's best to do this in the morning after a shower I would shave first to

be sure your dry then put the gel on. If doing 5 grms do half on one side then

the other side. If doing 10 grms put one tube on one side then the other tube

on the other side.

Or switch to shots doing 100 mgs every week retest in 6 to 8 weeks and if your

levels are not up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range up the dose to 125 mgs

and retest in 6 to 8 weeks. DHT should come up as your Testosterone levels get

past 600. DHEA is low take supplement 25mgs 2x's a day and test this when you

test your Testosterone levels. I would do a Cortisol morning fasting test if

you below 15 your on the low side and this can be why DHEA is low. I would then

do a 4 x's in a day saliva test to see how your Cortisol rhythum is.

To test Thyroid I would so Free T3 and Free T4 with anti's and Ferritin.

Here is a quick check you can do to see if your thyroid is low. First thing in

the morning check your Temp under your arm for 10 min.'s is your temp is below

97.8 you might have a thyroid problem. Here is a link on how to do this.

http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html

Here is a good link on low testosterone and high E's.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

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> From: Verily Light <verilylight@...>

> Subject: New Lab results

> dmeatheany@...,

> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 2:18 PM

> Gentlemen,

>  New Lab results:   Need interpretation.   Based on

> Testim1%  5grm per day

> Testosterone Serum 133 L  ng/dl     range 241-827

> T3 Uptake  29   range 24-39

> T4 Free direct  1.33      range  0.61-1.76

> Antithyroglobulin Ab  ICMA Methodology     

> <20        IU/ml    range 0-40

> DHT  24 ng/dl      range 30-85

> DHEA  166  ng/dl     range 107-745

> TSH   1.524 uIU/ml    range 0.350-5.500

> Estradiol    20pg/ml       range 0-53

> zinc, b12, ferritin all high for the range

> ***What should be done to get the  T, DHT, DHEA in the

> upper 1/3???? 

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Thanks for your help Phil. Would 5 mg of progesterone be a good starting dose?

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> > From: vmbisun <vmbisun@...>

> > Subject: New Lab Results

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> > Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 6:45 PM

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> > Hi, I just got labs today and would appreciate any input.

> > I'd like to know if I can trust the estradiol levels, since

> > others here have had problems with LabCorp testing. Also,

> > what is a good level for progesterone? I was on it years ago

> > and it helped me get to sleep.

> > I'm currently taking 1/4 arimidex every other day and using

> > test. gel, which has in the past brought my levels up too

> > much. Thanks for any help.

> > Victor

> > Test, serum 364  193-740

> > Free  4.8  6.6-18.1

> > Estradiol (Roche ECLIA methodology) 35.9

> > Progesterone .4  .2- 1.4

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