Re: All HCG products from urine discontinued?

[Guest guest]

This is the first I heard this and find it very hard to believe doing a search

on it to see if this is the case.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Tom <indianawannabe04@...>

> Subject: All HCG products from urine discontinued?

>

> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:52 PM

> My local Walgreens has just told me that the manufacturers

> of Novarel,

> pregnyl, and A.P.L. all have discontinued manufacture.

> That means

> there will be no HCG available except for maybe Ovidrel, or

> recombinant

> HCG.

> Can anyone confirm or with facts deny?

> Tom

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, thank you - that new from Walgreens was troubling. I had a

conversation with an excellent physician who said that he has heard

such claims about other drugs, but the claims did not prove true.

The Walgreens of the world push for big discounts and their suppliers

may not be able to deliver or to get the price from the

manufacturers. I called a specialty pharmacy and learned that their

news had been that Novarel and the others were all on back order,

except for the Ovidrel. If that is true, then we are getting the

results of all of the crooks trying to make money by selling HCG for

weight loss.

Has anyone had any luck with a reliable Canadian pharmacy?

Alldaychemist is Indian and sells HCG made in China - I tried some

but it did not have potency very long, presumably the stability

profile is very different.

Tom

>

> > From: Tom <indianawannabe04@...>

> > Subject: All HCG products from urine discontinued?

> >

> > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:52 PM

> > My local Walgreens has just told me that the manufacturers

> > of Novarel,

> > pregnyl, and A.P.L. all have discontinued manufacture.

> > That means

> > there will be no HCG available except for maybe Ovidrel, or

> > recombinant

> > HCG.

> > Can anyone confirm or with facts deny?

> > Tom

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Allday is the one most are using but you need to not use the water that comes

with it it is only good for that day that you mix it. Here is a cut and paste

on mixing it.

==========================================================================

BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

Calculating HCG:

There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's

quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result

is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end

result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the

concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.

Mixing HCG:

(Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

1) Open hcg/amp with powder

2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG

3) It will instantly dissolve

4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the

vial

5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

7) Than draw 1cc and inject

8) put the rest in the refrigerator

•The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use

and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again.

That’s why you need Bac H2o.

•The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The

concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes

leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once

HCG has been discontinued.

•HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the

solvent it comes with.

•You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

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Phil

> From: Tom <indianawannabe04@...>

> Subject: Re: All HCG products from urine discontinued?

>

> Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 6:09 PM

> Phil, thank you - that new from Walgreens was troubling. I

> had a

> conversation with an excellent physician who said that he

> has heard

> such claims about other drugs, but the claims did not prove

> true.

> The Walgreens of the world push for big discounts and their

> suppliers

> may not be able to deliver or to get the price from the

> manufacturers. I called a specialty pharmacy and learned

> that their

> news had been that Novarel and the others were all on back

> order,

> except for the Ovidrel. If that is true, then we are

> getting the

> results of all of the crooks trying to make money by

> selling HCG for

> weight loss.

> Has anyone had any luck with a reliable Canadian pharmacy?

>

> Alldaychemist is Indian and sells HCG made in China - I

> tried some

> but it did not have potency very long, presumably the

> stability

> profile is very different.

> Tom

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: Tom <indianawannabe04@...>

> > > Subject: All HCG products from

> urine discontinued?

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:52 PM

> > > My local Walgreens has just told me that the

> manufacturers

> > > of Novarel,

> > > pregnyl, and A.P.L. all have discontinued

> manufacture.

> > > That means

> > > there will be no HCG available except for maybe

> Ovidrel, or

> > > recombinant

> > > HCG.

> > > Can anyone confirm or with facts deny?

> > > Tom

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Very useful post. While I was able to get six months of HCG from my

local pharmacy (my doctor would only write out for three vials and they

last 60 days after being mixed), I had ordered three 5000 IU vials from

allday and was planing on mixing almost as described below, but wasn't

100 percent confident.

Where does one get empty 5ml vials? While I haven't asked my pharmacy

for 5 ml bacteriotastic water vials yet, I was assuming that one could

draw 1 ml from a 5 ml vial of water and inject it into the allday vials.

Then draw out the 1 ml mix and reinject it into the 5ml vial to create

5000 IU of HCG mixed in 5 ml of bacteriostatic water.

This is the first I've head of HCG causing gynecomastia and other side

effects AND the first time I read about the use of Nolvadex. I don't

recall that being in the allthingsmale protocol T/HCG protocol. I

currently inject 250 IU HCG on each of the two days before the

Testosterone Injection.

Steve

philip georgian wrote:

> Allday is the one most are using but you need to not use the water that comes

with it it is only good for that day that you mix it. Here is a cut and paste

on mixing it.

> ==========================================================================

> BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

>

> Calculating HCG:

>

> There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it.

It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end

result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and

the end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the

concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.

>

> Mixing HCG:

> (Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

>

> 1) Open hcg/amp with powder

> 2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG

> 3) It will instantly dissolve

> 4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the

vial

> 5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

> 6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

> 7) Than draw 1cc and inject

> 8) put the rest in the refrigerator

>

> •The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use

and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again. That’s

why you need Bac H2o.

> •The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The

concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes

leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once

HCG has been discontinued.

> •HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the

solvent it comes with.

> •You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

> Reply With Quote

>

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

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[Guest guest]

Phil and Steve, thank you - these posts have been very helpful.

Tom

> > Allday is the one most are using but you need to not use the

water that comes with it it is only good for that day that you mix

it. Here is a cut and paste on mixing it.

> >

======================================================================

====

> > BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic

water.

> >

> > Calculating HCG:

> >

> > There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how

you mix it. It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml

(cc) solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the

same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end result is 500 IUs per ml

(cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the concentration of HCG per

ampoule or vial.

> >

> > Mixing HCG:

> > (Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

> >

> > 1) Open hcg/amp with powder

> > 2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with

HCG

> > 3) It will instantly dissolve

> > 4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of

Bacwater in the vial

> > 5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

> > 6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

> > 7) Than draw 1cc and inject

> > 8) put the rest in the refrigerator

> >

> > •The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for

1 times use and you wouldn't be able to refrigerate it and use it a

week later again. That's why you need Bac H2o.

> > •The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia.

The concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia,

prevents/minimizes leydig cell desensitization and contiues the

stimulation of pituitary LH once HCG has been discontinued.

> > •HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o

instead of the solvent it comes with.

> > •You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

> > Reply With Quote

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

[Guest guest]

First you need to see if the HCG from allday comes in amps or vials. If it

comes in amps you need to buy some vials. I don't think bacteriotastic water

comes in 5 ml vials it's more like 30 mls. I have mixed a few brands and they

all were 30 mls. on the Bac. water. Here is a link to the cut and paste I

posted on how to mix HCG. Just click on the link to open it then click on the

blue HCG to read about it good points about gyno. For vials just click on the

blue word and you can buy from them 10ml. vials for $2.00.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=238888

Here is what I know about HCG lets say you have a HOT ROD with Nito so when you

hit the Nito switch you get more power and go faster.

HCG works like this so when you do a shot it kicks in your testis and makes

testosterone but not for very long. This is way Dr. says to do 250 IU's

the two days each before your next shot. It kicks up your testosterone if your

testis work good for about 18 hrs. some less.

One more thing it will also kick up your Estradiol for a short time. So when

doing labs never do a shot of HCG the day before your labs. If you do it will

show your T and E2 higher then what your mean is. You need to know your mean

not the levels like the Nito in your Hot Rod.

If your doing Arimidex to keep your E2 down and you test after doing an HCG shot

the day before it will give you a higher reading that is not your mean.

So if your to low you will show higher and this is not good your only high do to

the HCG shot. And I don't feel you will have gyno problems on this low dose 250

IU's 2 x's a week.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > Allday is the one most are using but you need to not

> use the water that comes with it it is only good for that

> day that you mix it. Here is a cut and paste on mixing it.

> >

> ==========================================================================

> > BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is

> bacteriostatic water.

> >

> > Calculating HCG:

> >

> > There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It

> depends on how you mix it. It's quite simple. If you

> dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result

> is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10

> ml (cc) and the end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc).

> Therefore, a large part depends on the concentration of HCG

> per ampoule or vial.

> >

> > Mixing HCG:

> > (Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty

> vials-get****).

> >

> > 1) Open hcg/amp with powder

> > 2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put

> in amp with HCG

> > 3) It will instantly dissolve

> > 4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put

> 4ml of Bacwater in the vial

> > 5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the

> 5ml vial

> > 6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

> > 7) Than draw 1cc and inject

> > 8) put the rest in the refrigerator

> >

> > •The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause

> its made for 1 times use and you wouldn’t be able to

> refrigerate it and use it a week later again. That’s why

> you need Bac H2o.

> > •The most common side affect associated with HCG is

> gynecomastia. The concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG

> prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes leydig cell

> desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH

> once HCG has been discontinued.

> > •HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with

> Bac h2o instead of the solvent it comes with.

> > •You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the

> fridge till use

> > Reply With Quote

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your welcome if you need any help or not sure how to mix this get back to use.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Tom <indianawannabe04@...>

> Subject: Re: All HCG products from urine discontinued?

>

> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:47 AM

> Phil and Steve, thank you - these posts have been very

> helpful.

> Tom

>

>

> > > Allday is the one most are using but you need to

> not use the

> water that comes with it it is only good for that day that

> you mix

> it. Here is a cut and paste on mixing it.

> > >

> ======================================================================

> ====

> > > BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is

> bacteriostatic

> water.

> > >

> > > Calculating HCG:

> > >

> > > There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU.

> It depends on how

> you mix it. It's quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs

> HCG with 5ml

> (cc) solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc).

> Divide the

> same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end result is 500

> IUs per ml

> (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the concentration

> of HCG per

> ampoule or vial.

> > >

> > > Mixing HCG:

> > > (Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty

> vials-get****).

> > >

> > > 1) Open hcg/amp with powder

> > > 2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and

> put in amp with

> HCG

> > > 3) It will instantly dissolve

> > > 4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and

> sealed) put 4ml of

> Bacwater in the vial

> > > 5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to

> the 5ml vial

> > > 6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

> > > 7) Than draw 1cc and inject

> > > 8) put the rest in the refrigerator

> > >

> > > •The reason your discarding the amp of solvent

> cause its made for

> 1 times use and you wouldn't be able to refrigerate it

> and use it a

> week later again. That's why you need Bac H2o.

> > > •The most common side affect associated with

> HCG is gynecomastia.

> The concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents

> gynecomastia,

> prevents/minimizes leydig cell desensitization and contiues

> the

> stimulation of pituitary LH once HCG has been discontinued.

> > > •HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed

> with Bac h2o

> instead of the solvent it comes with.

> > > •You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In

> the fridge till use

> > > Reply With Quote

> > >

> > >

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> >

> > --

> >

> > Steve - dudescholar4@...

> >

> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> > http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> >

> > " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our

> march

> > to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

> >

>

>

>

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>

>