Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Here are my thoughts, as I have worked with a few cancer patients. Your best preventive steps to maintain good health are to follow ER and get in plenty of antioxidants and anti-inflammatories. No one diet is the best for everyone, including Budwig. All your good oils (flax, salmon, etc..) will be of benefit and without the cottage cheese. Reading and learning is good, but the hard part is figuring out how to take, from all the information, only that which is good for you. Keep you mind open Listen to your body Be stronger than your denial KM ie <firesprite68@...> wrote: Just wondering again, as far as I'm aware the best things for anyone with cancer is the Budwig Diet [http://www.bloodrootproducts.com/budwigcancerdiet.htm ] - now I'm just wondering how an 'O' would do that diet as it calls for a vegan diet alongside the flax oil & cottage cheese mix ? Anyone done this or know any 'O's who have successfully ? I don't have cancer but obviously could one day. cheers ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 > Just wondering again, as far as I'm aware the best things for anyone > with cancer is the Budwig Diet > [http://www.bloodrootproducts.com/budwigcancerdiet.htm ] The approach I know of that works best is the homeopathy approach of Ramakrishnan. The book with the diet protocol and exaples is 240 pags or so: http://homeopathyworks.com/cancerbook.htm I did not get the book yet, it's on my wish list. I did however use homeopathy to cure my own breast cancer in 2000, and I have had success with animal clients. Practically anything other than chemo/radiation works better than chemo/radiation for cancer and you don't generally find oncologists with cancer using chemo/radiation. Says a lot doesn't it!!! Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Send email to subscribe-flaxseedoil2 or visit flaxseedoil2all to learn about the Budwig diet. good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 > I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break > from it or you end up making yourself worse. That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it. Instead, I read things on the Internet like " if you take a break, you'll end up worse than ever! " . If that's the case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether) at some point. The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that it makes me feel more " oxygenated " . And this has been one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the market, but they all cause their own adverse side effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose their life. Kathy > > > I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break > > from it or you end up making yourself worse. > > That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a > healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant > in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it. > > Instead, I read things on the Internet like " if you take a > break, you'll end up worse than ever! " . If that's the > case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone > is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether) > at some point. > > The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that > it makes me feel more " oxygenated " . And this has been > one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling > that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly > tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the > market, but they all cause their own adverse side > effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to > the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hi Kathy [and Marc]  Kathy you are right that something is happening at cellular level - from what I have read so far [and I need to read more - there is a group on this that I plan to sign up to] it is intended to improve the cell wall structure [i think] which Budwig maintains has been compromised by eating the wrong types of fats and oils.  It is designed to help a host of other conditions, not just cancer, and for those other conditions I think I read that they would respond fairly quickly so that you could run the treatment for 3 months and then switch down to a maintenance dose of one serving of the cottage cheese and flax seed oil per day.  I imagine like any regimen that you would get very little benefit from stopping and starting all the time, hence the need for continuity once you start it, but I think I also read somethign about the fact that the cottage cheese and flax seed oil mix is designed to help bind to waste stuff which may have accumulated in cells to transport it away???. apparently flax seed oil on its own doesn't do this job properly and it needs the sulphur content of the cottage cheese for this purpose. I'm very fatigued as I write this so my memory isn't working very well so I can't stand over all of this and haven't had time to re-read it before writing this post, but I intend to research it a lot more before deciding whether to start on it and will post back anything more I find out about it because I am interested in what others here think about it.  Best wishes  Steph  From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@...> Subject: Re: Budwig diet Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 10:49 PM I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose their life. Kathy > > > I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break > > from it or you end up making yourself worse. > > That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a > healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant > in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it. > > Instead, I read things on the Internet like " if you take a > break, you'll end up worse than ever! " . If that's the > case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone > is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether) > at some point. > > The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that > it makes me feel more " oxygenated " . And this has been > one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling > that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly > tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the > market, but they all cause their own adverse side > effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to > the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hi, Kathy and All,  Maybe it is leaching toxins from all over your body and if you quit the toxins make you very ill??? Just a thought. And of course if some of these " toxins " were cancer cells, that might not be a very good idea.  My guess, Diane From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@...> Subject: Re: Budwig diet Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:49 PM I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose their life. Kathy > > > I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break > > from it or you end up making yourself worse. > > That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a > healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant > in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it. > > Instead, I read things on the Internet like " if you take a > break, you'll end up worse than ever! " . If that's the > case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone > is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether) > at some point. > > The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that > it makes me feel more " oxygenated " . And this has been > one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling > that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly > tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the > market, but they all cause their own adverse side > effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to > the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hi, Steph,  OIC! The cottage cheese keeps the liver detox sulphonization pathway working so that the liver can detoxify what the flax oil leaches out! That makes sense. Yes, all the oils make good binders for toxins.  Diane From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolfjuno (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Budwig diet groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 10:49 PM I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose their life. Kathy > > > I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break > > from it or you end up making yourself worse. > > That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a > healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant > in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it. > > Instead, I read things on the Internet like " if you take a > break, you'll end up worse than ever! " . If that's the > case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone > is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether) > at some point. > > The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that > it makes me feel more " oxygenated " . And this has been > one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling > that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly > tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the > market, but they all cause their own adverse side > effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to > the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 So Diane do you reckon it could be worth a go? I'd be interested to hear any further thoughts you have because you seem to be very well versed in detoxification etc.  Best wishes  Steph From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolfjuno (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Budwig diet groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:49 PM I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose their life. Kathy > > > I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break > > from it or you end up making yourself worse. > > That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a > healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant > in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it. > > Instead, I read things on the Internet like " if you take a > break, you'll end up worse than ever! " . If that's the > case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone > is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether) > at some point. > > The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that > it makes me feel more " oxygenated " . And this has been > one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling > that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly > tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the > market, but they all cause their own adverse side > effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to > the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Hi, Steph,  Sorry my reply was so long coming. The detoxing I have been doing has been causing great problems with being on my computer and around other emfs lately.  As to the Budwig diet.... yes, it sounds like it would be worth trying! It may only target particular toxins, tho. (You wouldn't know this till you tried it.) From the info I have read here, it sounds like it is working to solve some issues with liver detox pathways (sulphur from cottage cheese), while leaching toxins from fat tissue (and possibly elsewhere) with the flax oil. It is always important to use fats as carriers to get the toxins out of the body--toxins are attracted to fats, and it is only in the absence of fat that they accummulate in the organs. (Of course, if you eat too much fat, then your body will just accummulate that fat on you with the toxins in it--so there is a fine line aspect to it, as well. This is one of the reasons why exercise is usually an important part of detoxing--and also the lymphatic system has nothing to keep it moving save for muscle movement.)  It is also especially important not to detox too much too quickly, as the body cannot handle this and can only get so much out via the skin, bowels, urine, and lungs at a time. I know this all too personally from going to a homeopath who gave me a remedy to detox my bone marrow recently. I took only one drop of the remedy under my tongue, but it unleashed a boat-load of mercury and other toxins which my body has been working to get rid of for the past 3 weeks! So, while homeopathy may be a way to detox, it can have it's downsides apparently, also. This was my first try at homeopathy so I was unprepared for the outcome. If I had known what to expect ahead of time, I would have prepared myself much more--eaten a special diet for a month or more, taken targeted nutrients to get my body in the best shape possible, upped my anti-oxidants..... There are alot of things you can do to help the body detox, esp thru the skin--sea salts or epsom salts baths, jumping on a mini tramp, sweating out in any way (exercise or just a hot environment...) and then washing off sweat well in a shower. It is also important to increase and optimize the bowel and kidney function.  All this said, it is still not easy to achieve in the real world. This is why clinics like Dr. Rae's in Dallas, Tx, exist. There they measure everything going in and it goes in at the correct ratios, and then they have you perform the correct amount of exercise to get the right out-put, and meanwhile they address the skin, lung, bowel, and kidney function systematically. A great way to go if you have the money!  For us poor shmucks, we have to make do the best we can.   You have to know when to cut back, too, Steph--if the Budwig diet (or any method!) starts causing too much detoxing, you do immediately have to cut it back. (This was the drawback to the homeopathic remedy--I only took it once and no way to cut back there!) You get no gold stars for just having toxins mobilized 24/7. If the toxins can't get out, they can't get out. Your body can only do so much. This said, sometimes people have a 3 or 4 hour reaction and immediately want to quit detoxing.  This might happen and is not such a bad thing as long as it totally passes. What you want to avoid is an ongoing bad reaction (like I got to the homeopathic bone marrow) that sticks around for days and weeks.  Hope you are feeling well, Steph, Diane  From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@ juno. com> Subject: Re: Budwig diet groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:49 PM I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose their life. Kathy > > > I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break > > from it or you end up making yourself worse. > > That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a > healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant > in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it. > > Instead, I read things on the Internet like " if you take a > break, you'll end up worse than ever! " . If that's the > case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone > is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether) > at some point. > > The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that > it makes me feel more " oxygenated " . And this has been > one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling > that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly > tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the > market, but they all cause their own adverse side > effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to > the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hi Diane  Thank you so much for this kind and informative post - I will hold on to it and read it again when I am getting ready to start the Budwig diet which I am determined to have a go at. I haven't started it yet because I have to have a small surgery under general anaesthetic which I will be having next Friday (I'm dreading it because I don't know how the GA will affect me and what shape I will be in afterwards!) any thoughts or prayers for me at that time would be appreciated so much!! I reckoned the best thing to do would be to try to see how I come out of that and then if I'm ok try to gear up towards the Budwig regime. I couldn't begin to contemplate it at the moment as my system seems to be so weak and even the smallest amount of exercise taxes me so much which is a worry. But all being well I will work up to it after the surgery. I'm sorry you had such a bad reaction to the homeopathy - I wonder if that is because of the ES? or maybe what you were being given would provoke a bad reaction in anyone. I tried it once many years ago and sorely regretted it - not only did I not derive any benefit from it but it made me feel like an old woman of 80 years of age - terrible fatigue and joint pain, and I really did persevere with it in the hope that it would help, but eventually I couldn't cope with it any more and stopped taking it. I hope that the ill effects you have had from it will ease off soon Diane.  Best wishes  Steph  From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@ juno. com> Subject: Re: Budwig diet groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:49 PM I have heard this as well and while I don't understand what could be happening that it works while you are on it, but then loose health when you stop, it is a whole whole lot of flax oil daily if you do the total amount. I have done 1 1/2 Tb flax oil to 4 Tb cottage cheese daily for a month or two at a time but never the full amount for more than a day or two. Just doesn't sound right and I suspect something is happening on the celluar level. Of course someone dieing of cancer might just prefer to stay on it forever rather than loose their life. Kathy > > > I read that once you start on the protocol you can't have a break > > from it or you end up making yourself worse. > > That sounds a bit suspect to me -- I mean, if this is truly a > healthy thing to do, then it should make you more resistant > in the longterm, even if you take a short break from it. > > Instead, I read things on the Internet like " if you take a > break, you'll end up worse than ever! " . If that's the > case, then it's probably not worth doing, because everyone > is going to take a break (or stop doing it altogether) > at some point. > > The benefit I notice from the flax/cottage cheese is that > it makes me feel more " oxygenated " . And this has been > one of my main complaints since getting ES -- a feeling > that I wasn't getting enough oxygen. And I've certainly > tried about every oxygen increasing supplement on the > market, but they all cause their own adverse side > effects. So far I haven't noticed any downside to > the flax/cottage cheese, but it is still early days... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 I have read on this msg board that the Budwig Diet is a really good program to go on to get your health back. In one of the posts, it said that the cottage cheese and flax doesnt work for some people so they change to fish oil. Is there some kind of test that shows which oil would be beneficial for your specific body? Also, can you use Stevia for a sweetner instead of honey? thanks..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 I am not sure if agave is allowed on budwig. Thanks, Robyn ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 No agave on Budwig? Do you have a source? I've been using a dab of it daily and recently got a good Navarro report. From: robyn howell Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 I am not sure if agave is allowed on budwig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Ask on the flaxseedoil2 group. Thanks, Robyn ________________________________ From: " joywharton@... " Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 No agave on Budwig? Do you have a source? I've been using a dab of it daily and recently got a good Navarro report. From: robyn howell Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 I am not sure if agave is allowed on budwig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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