Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 swelling is most probably water retention/lymph congestion see my previous posts about parasite cleansing. i don't agree with dr clark. parasite cleansing is not necessary in alot of cases, and in some it can cause exactly what you are experiencing. the reason is that killing off parasites that are buried inside impacted fecal matter will cause an exreme die off reaction. when parasites die they release toxic alkaloids. of your liver is plugged, this waste has nowhere to go, and remains trapped inside lymph fluid, and voila you become swollen stop the parasite cleanse. do some saunas. clean your liver. i have only talked to one person who had to do parasite cleanse to do the liver flush and he released alot of worms from his liver. the body is very accurate in what it tells you. listen to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 > There are some very " smart " people on this board so... I'm hoping someone > can help me even if it isn't a gb question. > For about the past year or 2 I've been having swelling in my legs.feet, > hands and arms. Worse of course at night and early in the am. I don't have a lot of information on you, age, diet, etc., but the first thoughts that come to mind are circulatory system and holding water in the tissues for some reason, which may or may not be inter-related. Would explore that a bit...don't have a lot of time to say more now :-) L. Meydrech, CN http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes HerBulletin FREE Health Analysis: http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech/healthAnalyzer.jsp mailto:claudiameydrech@... " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 > swelling is most probably water retention/lymph congestion Yes! That's a great point, too, lymph congestion!! L. Meydrech, CN http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes HerBulletin FREE Health Analysis: http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech/healthAnalyzer.jsp mailto:claudiameydrech@... " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 I appreciate your info aluckower however the parasite cleanse definately didn't CAUSE this problem as the problem started over a year ago. I only began the parasite cleanse a few weeks ago. I did consider that- but ruled that out as having a connection. I haven't gotten " worse " since doing the cleanse either- nor better. Basically about the same but... I know that if I don't get a handle on it things WILL GET WORSE. SO do you think I can actually get help if I do the liver/kidney cleanse??? I've not had what most of you are speaking of- as in gb attacks. I would love to prevent having them however. That is why I decided to do these cleanses. Comments??? On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:03:39 -0400 " aluckower " <aluckower@...> writes: swelling is most probably water retention/lymph congestion see my previous posts about parasite cleansing. i don't agree with dr clark. parasite cleansing is not necessary in alot of cases, and in some it can cause exactly what you are experiencing. the reason is that killing off parasites that are buried inside impacted fecal matter will cause an exreme die off reaction. when parasites die they release toxic alkaloids. of your liver is plugged, this waste has nowhere to go, and remains trapped inside lymph fluid, and voila you become swollen stop the parasite cleanse. do some saunas. clean your liver. i have only talked to one person who had to do parasite cleanse to do the liver flush and he released alot of worms from his liver. the body is very accurate in what it tells you. listen to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 i can't say what will work for you you could start first with dietary changes eliminate table salt and try getting your sodium from fresh fruits and vegetables. eating mostly raw foods can possibly help. getting a proper diagnosis from either a doctor or alternative practioner would help. i have experienced exactly what you are talking about. i never had pain or a gall bladder attack, but i had alot of swelling. this waxes and wanes as i do the liver flushes. after a good one, the swelling goes away, and then comes back when more stones move up. i don't know if flushes are the best solution for you. i tend to think that flushes deal with the effect of some other underlying problem. although it's possible that it could balance out whatever problem is causing it. as for diet you could also try eating only raw fats like cold pressed oils, avocado, raw butter, etc. see if that makes a difference. sauna should also help. i never did the kidney cleanse, so i can't speak for it. it seems like having a congested liver is an extremely common problem, related to almost every illness under the sun. what were the events leading up to your problem. are you able to exercise. do you have normal body temp/thyroid function. adrenal function? long term constipation? long term antibiotic use? or antacids? metal poisoning? other chemical exposures? poor diet? alot of people report losing water weight by drinking a mixture of celery/carrot/parsely juice drinking natural souces of electrolytes sort of works for me and helps me to sweat. but my liver is still plugged so i still experience swelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Thanks for your input. I'll try lessening my salt intake. This I haven't done. I do try to eat quite a bit raw- but not 100%. As for the health questions- I'm in my early 40's, weight a bit over at 180 (I'm 5'11) Female. I'd like to get down to about 160 but... so far that hasn't worked I had hysterectomy 7 years ago- 1 ovary left. Not gone thru " the change " yet. As for my thyroid- it shows by dr to function fine but... I wonder. I've heard that it has to be totally dead before they will say there is a problem. I'm definately not as energetic as I once was. Exercise - well- not too much. I move around all the time but no " exercise " as such. Blood pressure good, cholesterol good- not constipated , no long term use of antibiotics..... all this seems normal. I'll give the liver/kidney cleanse a try, as well as drink more water- and try to eat even better. Thanks for your input. On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:00:33 -0400 " aluckower " <aluckower@...> writes: i can't say what will work for you you could start first with dietary changes eliminate table salt and try getting your sodium from fresh fruits and vegetables. eating mostly raw foods can possibly help. getting a proper diagnosis from either a doctor or alternative practioner would help. i have experienced exactly what you are talking about. i never had pain or a gall bladder attack, but i had alot of swelling. this waxes and wanes as i do the liver flushes. after a good one, the swelling goes away, and then comes back when more stones move up. i don't know if flushes are the best solution for you. i tend to think that flushes deal with the effect of some other underlying problem. although it's possible that it could balance out whatever problem is causing it. as for diet you could also try eating only raw fats like cold pressed oils, avocado, raw butter, etc. see if that makes a difference. sauna should also help. i never did the kidney cleanse, so i can't speak for it. it seems like having a congested liver is an extremely common problem, related to almost every illness under the sun. what were the events leading up to your problem. are you able to exercise. do you have normal body temp/thyroid function. adrenal function? long term constipation? long term antibiotic use? or antacids? metal poisoning? other chemical exposures? poor diet? alot of people report losing water weight by drinking a mixture of celery/carrot/parsely juice drinking natural souces of electrolytes sort of works for me and helps me to sweat. but my liver is still plugged so i still experience swelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 I dont know what could be causeing it, but my moms friend has the same problem in her legs really bad. She has done so many cleanses and everything , even a 6 week water fast. She tried these Shu-LI pads that you put on your feet, and they next day the swelling went down and eventually it went away. Just a thought..... >From: hallelujahtreasures@... >Reply-gallstones >gallstones >Subject: help for swelling >Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 07:54:04 -0500 > > >There are some very " smart " people on this board so... I'm hoping someone >can help me even if it isn't a gb question. >For about the past year or 2 I've been having swelling in my legs.feet, >hands and arms. Worse of course at night and early in the am. At first it >was a tingling feeling- only occassionally. Now- even though it really >doesn't hurt- it is all the time. Most of the time it is just a slight > " achy " feeling, but I know it is caused by swelling. >I've been on the parasite cleanse for the full term- and and currently >waiting herbs for the kidney and liver cleanse. So far, I've seen no >improvment in this swelling. >Can someone help me get an idea first on what would be causing it- and >second what do I do to take care of it. I don't want a " patch up job " as >any or most doctors would give me. I want to know the ROOT problem and >deal with that. >Any ideas????? > > >De in Texas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 it doesn't matter how many cleanses you have done. what matters is that there is unobstructed bile flow. without this, then there will be lymph congestion you can't complain to your body that you have done a high number of cleanses, and it will give you reprieve like a grade school student. this is real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Maybe the cleanses arent the right thing for you, what works for some people doesnt always work for others. The cleanses didnt work for me, but I still believe in them and recommend them to others. It is good to try more than one thing. And I also dont believe that just because you dont follow the protocol exactly doesnt mean it wont work. Im not against Dr or anything but I dont think that her method can cure everything for everybody. >From: " aluckower " <aluckower@...> >Reply-gallstones ><gallstones > >Subject: Re: help for swelling >Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 15:58:11 -0400 > >it doesn't matter how many cleanses you have done. what matters is that >there is unobstructed bile flow. without this, then there will be lymph >congestion > >you can't complain to your body that you have done a high number of >cleanses, and it will give you reprieve like a grade school student. this >is >real life. > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Every time I have followed the flush protocol I am up all night running to the bathroom and I get next to no stones out. When I use Dr. Schulze's method I do much better. We are all uniquely created by God and I agree that what works for one person, may not work for another. I wish it did. It would eliminate all the time and money I've spent on trial and error alternative medicine, lol. But the fact of the matter is, " one size fits all " medicine does not work well. Allopaths follow this philosophy. My friend utilized the services of a homeopath from another state a few years ago. This woman was very interesting because she would spend 4 hours or more interviewing the client, going back into the past, looking at traumatic experiences, etc. Then she would design a homeopathic regimen for the person based on their personal information, not just symptoms. My friend had a number of severe health problems (including severe food allergies), none of which she was able to find relief from with regular doctors. This woman was really able to get her onto the road to recovery. She also brought one of my friend's children almost totally back out of full blown autism, which developed after he received a vaccine. I don't know what she put him on, but whatever it was caused this thick, ugly mucous to pour out of his nose and even his ears! I saw it myself. It seems to me, that this would be something of the ideal in medicine; looking at the whole person, and not just seeing them as a bag of symptoms to be dealt with. There is success to be had, I'm sure, with the Dr. protocols. But others have had the same success with Dr. Schulze, Dr. Cabot, etc. Everyone needs to find that special combination of supplements, techniques etc. that works for them (God willing, of course). AMDG, Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Schurdevin gallstones Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: Re: help for swelling Its hard to believe that everyone that follows gets results, if that were true it would be a miracle. I dont think you have heard from everyone that has followed her recipe either. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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