Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36274324/ns/health-health_care/ns/health-health_care\ / Rose From: ngitig@... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:00:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [ ] IPT (Insulin Potentiation Therapy) , I did not see this post that is referring to, but I am surprised that you have made such generalizations and grouped all practitioners of IPT into one pot. It seems to me that people who criticize all alternative therapies and group all practitioners or proponents of alternative therapies into one pot would do the same to you. Of course, we all know, or should know, that one has to be careful with which alternative program we choose to go with. We all know, or should know that we have to be wary of people who take advantage of the system and of people's vulnerabilities. But with that said there are good and bad apples in every barrel. Some of the generalizations that you made are just so out of line that I am really surprised to hear them coming from you. I can only relay our own experience vis a vis what you have described. Saying that most physicians who use IPT are not Oncologists is correct but that would be the same as saying that you are not an Oncologist so why would anyone listen to your advice on Cancer care. We all know of your vast knowledge about cancer and it's treatments and that just proves that one does not have to be an Oncologist to know about Cancer. Saying that Physicians who practice IPT to treat cancer patients use whatever chemo meds they happen to have around or are able to obtain is also a gross misrepresentation. Dr. Linchitz who practices IPT on Long Island in NY specifically recommends that all patients undergo a chemo sensitivity test and then the drugs that are recommended for their specific genetic makeup are ordered. Furthermore, he has no problem with the patient providing the chemo drugs and his nurses just administering them correctly. He is not looking to get rich on the markup of the chemo drugs themselves as you alluded to. Another false misrepresentation is that the physicians who practice IPT will take anyone on. In our particular experience Dr. Linchitz speaks to each patient on the phone to get as much information as possible before he will even have you make an appointment at his office. He will tell you on the phone whether he feels he can help or if he feels that you are too far advanced for his treatments. He explains very carefully that IPT is not for everyone and that it is a long process. He explains very carefully that it can take more than a year before achieving the desired results. Prior to even discussing IPT, this doctor goes over your entire diet with you and tells you what to eliminate, what to add, and what to consider adding more of. He goes over every single supplement that you are already taking and makes suggestions about what you should add for your particular situation and what you should do away with. I do not want to go on and on regarding every one of your assertions but the bottom line is that just because someone is not an Oncologist does not mean that they cannot treat and help cancer patients and you yourself are the perfect example of that. I think everyone needs to be very careful about making generalized statements and bundling all doctors, or all Oncologists, or all Nutritionists, all of any type of practitioners into the same bundle. It goes without saying that we all need to be careful about choosing the right path that we feel will be to our best benefit. I would love to hear your honest analysis of IPT as a treatment option, assuming that it is done by a properly trained, honest, caring practitioner without all the derogatory remarks about how it can be misused by get rich quick doctors. Thanks Nili Re: [ ] IPT (Insulin Potentiation Therapy) You seem to be grouping everyone who does IPT into one incompetent category. This is very unfair as there are some extremely good practitioners doing IPT and most everyone I know is a medical doctor with extensive training. IPT has its place and can do marvelous healings no matter what you think. From: VGammill Most physicians who use IPT are not oncologists and typically are quite unskilled at working with cancer. They are told that IPT can be a wonderful profit center for their practice and so they take a one-day or one weekend course or practicum. It all seems so simple. Just use a little insulin to bring down the blood insulin level, inject (usually with I.V. push) a number of available chemotherapeutic agents at perhaps 1/7 of the normal dose, inject a bolus of glucose, and repeat weekly. The treatment may or may not be beneficial for the patient, but if done correctly there is little chance that the patient will have side effects, but so often this is not the case. The problems: -- Physicians want to please the patient and they don't quite trust that the low doses are enough to effect rapid results, so they rationalize increasing the doses up to a third or a half of the normal dose. -- A solid IPT regimen might take 40-60 weekly treatments. Many physicians sell the patient on the notion that they can do it in, say, 8-20 treatments, and so they increase the doses or scheduling to hurry things along. -- Most patients are worried, impatient for results, and have only so much money to allocate to treatment. The physician feels compelled to take short cuts and increase doses. -- Some patients are simply more sensitive to drugs. I have seen this more often among Asians. -- A patient may be consuming a large amount of grapefruit juice or perhaps another med that relies on the same hepatic P-450 oxygenases for detoxification. This can result in higher systemic levels of some of the chemos for a longer duration. -- The physician is afraid of using too much insulin and doesn't bring the blood glucose level down to where you see the patient become confused -- the " therapeutic moment. " -- The clinician may wait too long to give the glucose or not use enough glucose. -- Non-oncologists often have problems obtaining the best chemos for the patient, so they use whatever they can get their hands on, or only those that are inexpensive. -- No consideration is given to potentiation of effects and potentiation of side effects among the meds used. -- No consideration is given to multiple drug resistance (MDR) caused by the treatment or of MDR from prior treatments. -- No consideration is given to metabolic pathways of the chemos. -- No consideration is given to mechanism(s) of action. -- No consideration is given to the rest of the protocol that patients may be doing on their own. -- Many physicians present to the patient add-on concurrent therapies (H2O2, ascorbate, DMSO, etc.) as if this is frosting on the cake and worthy of extra expenditure, when in reality many of these treatments can stop metabolism within the cancer cells and thus force the IPT chemicals to go everywhere in the body EXCEPT to the tumor. -- Because IPT is highly profitable, most IPT clinics accept patients for IPT when this would not be an appropriate therapy. -- Some meds (such as cisplatin) cannot be properly stored after reconstituting for injection, so the physician will go ahead and use a higher dose so they don't " waste " the remainder, or they go ahead and save the decomposed med for a future patient. -- The clinician is unfamiliar with the adjuvant use of specific amino acids to protect the patient from any side effects. Any whifflebrain with a license can lawfully administer IPT. Then, when the patient gets side effects, how many physicians apologize to the patient for their greed and stupidity. It is more convenient to blame IPT. I think all of these problems would be self-correcting if it became the custom to pay the physician only after the promised benefit is achieved, and if there were more transparency in the outcomes with past patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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