Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 - My doc recommends calcium d-glucarate, alpha-lipoic acid, and milk thistle for liver detox. Good luck - Jennie F. Message: 9 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:38:04 EST From: ShyGuyHi@... Subject: Liver support I recently had a Great Smokies Liver Test done. Phases 1 and 2 did not look good. I was wondering what I can do to help support the liver in the detoxing process? Thanks, __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 At 12:12 PM 4/15/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, >Unfortunately I am sensitive to different oils as well. >Are you doing herbs like milk thistle? >Or should I say what are you doing to support and protect your liver? >If you feel Ok about sharing? >Thanks, Anya for all your helpful sharing. >Best wishes for a fragrant spring. Hi Alison: I became very vulnerable to my usually 'light' mango pollen allergy in 2002. Every year I expected to have sneezing, stuffed head, etc., for one week in February. That year, I was *sick* for six weeks, lost sense of smell and taste, horrible coughing, stuffed head, etc. I realized my liver had become weak due to too much sniffing of oils! The liver was weakened because oils are solvents, and the liver is the only organ that can 'filter' them in the body. I started taking one cap of both milk thistle and schizandra a day, about six months before Feb. 2003. Occasionally I would have some " Iron Woman Tea " from Traditional Medicinals (lots of liver herbs there). I ignored the 'cold' liver vs. 'hot' liver dictum, as mine seemed to have aspects of both. I breezed through Feb. 2004 and 2004 without so much as a sniffle or sneeze. Mind you, I had had the annual allergy for 11 years before that, so I know the liver support tact did the trick. After that first six month daily intake of the herbs, I cut back. I take them every couple of days. I haven't had the tea in months, but I also have learned to cut back on the sniffing. If you ever have a problem with phlegm, congestion and the like, look to treating your liver. It doesn't matter if it's from a cold, allergy, bronchitis, pneumonia. The liver is responsible for moving phlegm downward in the body to be eliminated. I speak with some suppliers and perfumers, and it seems they are plagued with respiratory and phlegm problems. That's because their livers are weakened and can't move the gunk down and out, as it were, IMO. I think we all need to look after our health a little more that most folks because our fragrant supplies are quite able to wreck our health. Be aware that some who work in the manufacuring end of the business are required by law to wear protective gear. Protect yourselves as best you can, and if you have a history of respiratory problems, use liver support herbs. HTH. Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 > In any case, have you tried milk thistle? This supports the liver, I > think, and it is one of the first supplements that my husband could > tolerate and that noticeably helped with digestive issues. Alternately, something with the herbs Bluperium or Rehmannia may be helpful for the liver. I originally tried a variety of Milk Thistles for months, but they never seemed to do anything, and when I eventually got muscle tested they didn't test positive. However, when I later tried the liver/adrenal support formula " Rehmannia Complex " , that OBVIOUSLY helped my liver cope with the toxins it needed to process. Here is a link to a description & ingredients list of Rehmannia Complex: http://store./spinelife/reco40t.html Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Sorry, never heard of this one. We use something my homeopath suggested - chelidonium tincture from Helios homeopathic pharmacy 01892 536393, FWIW Sharon > > Just wondering if any parents are using LiverLife or similar for liver > support. Is this product available in the UK ??? TIA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2006 Report Share Posted May 14, 2006 Sorry, never heard of this one. We use something my homeopath suggested - chelidonium tincture from Helios homeopathic pharmacy 01892 536393, FWIW Sharon > > Just wondering if any parents are using LiverLife or similar for liver > support. Is this product available in the UK ??? TIA > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 In a message dated 14/05/2006 03:24:03 GMT Standard Time, ash_bz@... writes: Just wondering if any parents are using LiverLife or similar for liver support. Is this product available in the UK ??? TIA Hi Dont know if you got any answers but we have been prescribed this by Dr U. Havent started it yet but will be soon. Luv Caroline xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 In a message dated 14/05/2006 03:24:03 GMT Standard Time, ash_bz@... writes: Just wondering if any parents are using LiverLife or similar for liver support. Is this product available in the UK ??? TIA Hi Dont know if you got any answers but we have been prescribed this by Dr U. Havent started it yet but will be soon. Luv Caroline xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 In a message dated 14/05/2006 03:24:03 GMT Standard Time, ash_bz@... writes: Just wondering if any parents are using LiverLife or similar for liver support. Is this product available in the UK ??? TIA Hi Dont know if you got any answers but we have been prescribed this by Dr U. Havent started it yet but will be soon. Luv Caroline xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Phosphatidylcholine or lecithin? [ ] liver support I am about to start chelating my son but found out he has high oxalate and I recall milk thistle is high oxalate too. Anyone has recommendation for a low oxalate liver support? I have bought liver life but found out its ingredients also has milk thistle. Anyone has a high oxalate kid also uses liver life? Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 > > I am about to start chelating my son but found out he has high oxalate > and I recall milk thistle is high oxalate too. > > Anyone has recommendation for a low oxalate liver support? I have > bought liver life but found out its ingredients also has milk thistle. > Anyone has a high oxalate kid also uses liver life? > > Many thanks. > > > My understanding is that milk thistle supports the liver because it increases glutathione in the body. Here is a list of high glutathione foods: http://ezinearticles.com/?Food-Sources-That-Boost-Glutathione-Naturally & id=1177 And here is a list of high, medium and low oxalate foods: http://www.netrition.com/cgi/healthnotes.cgi?ContentID=1294005 But, from what I am reading, being high in oxalate will lower glutathione. So it seems to me that if you can't find something that is both low oxalate and good liver support, just getting the oxalate down should improve live function by increasing glutathione in the body. Also, ALA boosts glutathione. If that is your chelator, you may have it covered. Good luck with this. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.org http://www.kidslikemine.org http://www.solanorail.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I use a homeopathic liver support called R7. I give it three times a day. > > > > I am about to start chelating my son but found out he has high oxalate > > and I recall milk thistle is high oxalate too. > > > > Anyone has recommendation for a low oxalate liver support? I have > > bought liver life but found out its ingredients also has milk thistle. > > Anyone has a high oxalate kid also uses liver life? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > > > My understanding is that milk thistle supports the liver because it > increases glutathione in the body. Here is a list of high glutathione > foods: > http://ezinearticles.com/?Food-Sources-That-Boost-Glutathione- Naturally & id=1177 > > And here is a list of high, medium and low oxalate foods: > http://www.netrition.com/cgi/healthnotes.cgi?ContentID=1294005 > > But, from what I am reading, being high in oxalate will lower > glutathione. So it seems to me that if you can't find something that > is both low oxalate and good liver support, just getting the oxalate > down should improve live function by increasing glutathione in the body. > > Also, ALA boosts glutathione. If that is your chelator, you may have > it covered. > > Good luck with this. > > Michele > http://www.healthgazelle.org > http://www.kidslikemine.org > http://www.solanorail.org > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 , try Amla. Do a search, " Amla and calcium oxalate " or just " phyllanthus emblica " -its scientific name. Like I said in another post, it has been our " wow " supplement. My research tells me it is: Anti-candidal (liver) hepatoprotective breaks down oxalate crystals anti-viral (including against Hepatitis b virus) anti-inflammatory (its tannins) a strong anti-oxidant Now if that doesn't clean up the supplement cabinet a bit, I don't know what does! We are down to only 3 bottles we use, Amla, Serenaid (digestive enzymes) and Cal-mag-D powder. Then I have my liquids that we don't use all the time: zinc, cod liver oil and flax seed oil. Here are some more articles and links on it: https://www.emersonecologics.com/Content/PDF/ProductSheets/PHYL3.pdf A review of the plants of the genus Phyllanthus: Their chemistry, pharmacology, and therapeutic potential João B. Calixto 1 *, Adair R. S. Santos 2, Valdir Cechinel Filho 2, Rosendo A. Yunes 3 1Department of Pharmacology, CCB; Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina (UFSC), 88049-900, Florianópolis, SC, Brazil 2Núcleo de Investigações QuÃmico-Farmacêuticas (NIQFAR)/FAQFAR, Universidade do Vale do Itajaà (UNIVALI), 88302-202, ItajaÃ, SC, Brazil 3Department of Chemistry, CFM, Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina (UFSC), 88049-900, Florianópolis, SC, Brazil *Correspondence to João B. Calixto, Department of Pharmacology, UFSC, Rua Ferreira Lima 82, 88015-420, Florianópolis, SC, Brazil; e-mail: calixto@a/farmaco.ufsc.br Funded by: Conselho Nacional de Desenvolvimento Cientifico e Tecnológico (CNPq) Central de Medicamentos (CEME) Financiadora de Estudos e Projetos (FINEP) Programa de Apoio ao Desenvolvimento Cientifico e Tecnólogico (PADCT) Keywords Phyllanthus • hepatitis • antinociception • nefrolitiase • preclinical, clinical, and phytochemical studies Abstract The plants of the genus Phyllanthus (Euphorbiaceae) are widely distributed in most tropical and subtropical countries, and have long been used in folk medicine to treat kidney and urinary bladder disturbances, intestinal infections, diabetes, and hepatitis B. In recent years, the interest in the plants has increased considerably. Substantial progress on their chemistal and pharmacological properties, as well as a few clinical studies of some Phyllanthus species have been made. This review discusses the current knowledge of their chemistry, the in vitro and in vivo pharmacological, biochemical, and clinical studies carried out on the extracts, and the main active constituents isolated from different species of plants of the genus Phyllanthus. These studies carried out with the extracts and purified compounds from these plants support most of their reported uses in folk medicine as an antiviral, in the treatment of genitourinary disorders, and as antinociceptive agents. However, well-controlled, double-binding clinical trials are lacking. Several compounds including alkaloids, flavonoids, lignans, phenols, and terpenes were isolated from these plants and some of them interact with most key enzymes. Together this data strongly supports the view that the plants belonging to the genus Phyllanthus have potential beneficial therapeutic actions in the management of hepatitis B, nefrolitiase, and in painful disorders. © 1998 Wiley & Sons, Inc., Med Res Rev, 18, No. 4, 225-258, 1998. http://www.vepachedu.org/TSJ/May2004.html http://www.singleherbs.org/products/bhuimala.htm Anti-hepatotoxic and anti-mutagenic activity of bhuiamla The anti hepatotoxic (liver-protecting) activity of chanca piedra is another area of study which has been established with clinical research. These effects have been attributed to (at least) two novel lignan phytochemical named phyllanthin and hypophyllanthin. The researchers who reported the cholesterol-lowering effects also reported that chanca piedra protected rats from liver damage induced by alcohol, and normalized a " fatty liver. " One in vitro study and four in vivo studies (with rats and mice) document that extracts of chanca piedra effectively protect against liver damage from various chemical liver toxins. Two human studies reported chanca piedra's anti hepatotoxic actions in children with hepatitis and jaundice. Indian researchers reported that chanca piedra was an effective single drug in the treatment of jaundice in children, and British researchers reported that children treated with a chanca piedra extract for acute hepatitis had liver function return to normal within five days. Researchers in China also reported anti hepatotoxic actions when chanca piedra was administered (900 mg powdered herb twice daily) to adults with chronic hepatitis. A recent (2000) study even documented that chanca piedra (in a water extract given orally) increased the life span of mice with liver cancer from 33 weeks (control group without treatment) to 52 weeks. Another research group tried to induce liver cancer in mice that had been pre-treated with a water extract of chanca piedra. Their results indicated the chanca piedra extract dose-dependently lowered tumor incidence, levels of carcinogen-metabolizing enzymes, levels of liver cancer markers, and liver injury markers. Both studies indicate that the plant has more of a protective and anti proliferative effect against cancer than a direct anti-tumorous effect or selective ability to kill a cancer cell.It may well be that chanca piedra's documented antimutagenic effect plays an important factor in this reported anticancerous activity. In several animal studies (as well as within cell cultures), extracts of chanca piedra have stopped or inhibited cells (including liver cells) from mutating in the presence of chemical substances known to create cellular mutations and DNA strand breaks (which can lead to the creation of cancerous cells). One of these studies indicated that chanca piedra inhibited several enzyme processes peculiar to cancer cells' replication and growth—rather than a direct cytotoxic ability to kill the cancer cell (sarcoma, carcinoma, and lymphoma cells were studied). This cellular-protective quality was evidenced in other research, which indicated that chanca piedra protected against chemically induced bone marrow chromosome damage in mice, as well as against radiation-induced chromosome damage in mice. The latter study reported that only 25 mg of extract per kg of animal body weight protected mouse chromosomes against 4 gy of gamma radiation damage Copyright © 2004 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved. Inhibition and dissolution of calcium oxalate crystals by Berberis Vulgaris-Q and other metabolites Telanga Science Journal May 2004 Amla Indian Gooseberry or Amla (Phyllanthus emblica or Emblica myrobalan or Emblica officinalis) fruit is one of the richest natural sources of vitamin C available in the Indian continent. It belongs to the family euphorbiaceae. Ayurveda recommends taking a tonic made from the fruit throughout the winter months. The fresh fruit's high concentrate of vitamin C has been shown by recent clinical tests on patients suffering from pulmonary tuberculosis to be more quickly assimilated than the synthetic vitamin. Because it is also cooling, an excellent liver tonic, and assists the body in excreting urinary waste, Ayurvedic physicians recommend drinking the juice during the summer months when the body's functions become sluggish with the heat. One of the virtues of the fruit to Ayurvedic medicine is that it can be used both fresh and dried. Together with the chebulic and belleric myrobalans, amla forms the classic triphala, an Ayurvedic tonic. Ayurvedc physicians' claims for the tonic properties of amla have attracted much scientific attention in India. A series of clinical tests on amla have found the fruit contains elements, which are antiviral, raise the total protein level in the body, activate the adrenaline response, and which protect against tremors and convulsions. References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article. Ishwar Das, , a, S. K. Guptaa, V. N. Pandeyb and Shoeb A. Ansaria a Department of Chemistry, DDU Gorakhpur University, Gorakhpur- 273009, India b Department of Botany, DDU Gorakhpur University, Gorakhpur-273009, India Received 6 March 2004; accepted 11 April 2004. Communicated by M. Schieber. Available online 19 May 2004. Abstract Inhibition and dissolution of calcium oxalate crystals in solutions containing a homoeopathic medicine Berberis Vulgaris-Q, amino acids such as aspartic acid, glutamic acid, & #945;-keto glutaric acid, a naturally occurring inhibitor and juices of some fruits of citrus group such as lemon, orange, amla extract and mausammi have been studied. Considerable solubility was observed and found that in each case solubility changes with time or concentration periodically. Chelation may be one of the reasons for inhibition. Author Keywords: A1. Biocrystallization; A1. Crystal morphology; A1. Dissolution of calcium oxalate; A2. Inhibition of crystal growth; B1. Berberis Vulgaris-Q > > Phosphatidylcholine or lecithin? > > > > [ ] liver support > > > I am about to start chelating my son but found out he has high oxalate > and I recall milk thistle is high oxalate too. > > Anyone has recommendation for a low oxalate liver support? I have > bought liver life but found out its ingredients also has milk thistle. > Anyone has a high oxalate kid also uses liver life? > > Many thanks. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Book by (Detox strategy) has great advice on liver support. I have started giving my son artichoke & dandelion capsules after reading her book. He has high oxalates too --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 > > I am about to start chelating my son but found out he has high oxalate > and I recall milk thistle is high oxalate too. > > Anyone has recommendation for a low oxalate liver support? I have > bought liver life but found out its ingredients also has milk thistle. > Anyone has a high oxalate kid also uses liver life? > > Many thanks. > > > Hi I hope this is'nt a silly question but how did you find out that your son has high oxalate? I'm sure you know more about oxalates than I do, but the below may help. http://www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm Kenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 My son's urine organic acid test reveals that his oxalate is way out of the reference range. > > > > I am about to start chelating my son but found out he has high > oxalate > > and I recall milk thistle is high oxalate too. > > > > Anyone has recommendation for a low oxalate liver support? I have > > bought liver life but found out its ingredients also has milk > thistle. > > Anyone has a high oxalate kid also uses liver life? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > > Hi > I hope this is'nt a silly question but how did you find out that your > son has high oxalate? > I'm sure you know more about oxalates than I do, but the below may > help. > > http://www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm > > Kenny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Was that oxalate or oxalic acid? If I am not mistaken, my DAN said that high oxalic acid on the OAT is an indicator of high levels of yeast. - > > > > > > I am about to start chelating my son but found out he has high > > oxalate > > > and I recall milk thistle is high oxalate too. > > > > > > Anyone has recommendation for a low oxalate liver support? I > have > > > bought liver life but found out its ingredients also has milk > > thistle. > > > Anyone has a high oxalate kid also uses liver life? > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > I hope this is'nt a silly question but how did you find out that > your > > son has high oxalate? > > I'm sure you know more about oxalates than I do, but the below may > > help. > > > > http://www.branwen.com/rowan/oxalate.htm > > > > Kenny > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 I have been taking artichoke with milk thistle and unda numbers. It is working for me, but I am looking for more liver support also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 One or the other, since both contain milk thistle. Go with what is affordable for you. > > Hello Group, > > I am looking to add liver support supplements for my 2 year old. I am > considering Milk Thistle and Liver Life. Is it okay if I give both or > do I just need one. Please advice. > > Thanks, > Maya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 You can give both. Milk thistle is the most important and most proven. Liver life has milk thistle in it. In fact liver life is really just very expensive milk thistle with a few other ingredients which may help a little, but are really there to justify the price. If you get low on funds, stick to milk thistle, and milk thistle over a short period, like two weeks, at high doses, can do wonders in reducing ALT and AST readings. mywonderbaby wrote: > > Hello Group, > > I am looking to add liver support supplements for my 2 year old. I am > considering Milk Thistle and Liver Life. Is it okay if I give both or > do I just need one. Please advice. > > Thanks, > Maya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 when you say high doses - what amount are you indicating? > > > > Hello Group, > > > > I am looking to add liver support supplements for my 2 > year old. I am > > considering Milk Thistle and Liver Life. Is it okay if > I give both or > > do I just need one. Please advice. > > > > Thanks, > > Maya > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Thanks ! Wonder why our DAN doctor who literally rips us off in fees per visit does not tell any of this. Thanks, Maya > > > > Hello Group, > > > > I am looking to add liver support supplements for my 2 year old. I am > > considering Milk Thistle and Liver Life. Is it okay if I give both or > > do I just need one. Please advice. > > > > Thanks, > > Maya > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 30mg per Kg per day. (which is is nearly 14mg per pound) I wouldn't give it all at once, I'd space it out over the day. Gray wrote: > > when you say high doses - what amount are you indicating? > > > > > > > > Hello Group, > > > > > > I am looking to add liver support supplements for my 2 > > year old. I am > > > considering Milk Thistle and Liver Life. Is it okay if > > I give both or > > > do I just need one. Please advice. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Sounds like you need to do a liver/gall bladder flush to clean the toxins out and flush the bile colored cholesterol out.  Hi Can someone be so kind and suggest a gentle liver support product to take when taking Doxy? i have a feeling that my liver has been pretty toxic prior to the lyme and Milk Thisstle is too strong. Hope its ok to ask being that this is not a rife question? Thanks so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Have you tried dandelion root? Also lots of pure clean water. One thing that is really helpful to me is lots of beets - I often do carrot/beet/parsley juice with a little raw garlic (depending on who I'm going to be near) and that tastes good and is nourishing on many levels and beets are particularly good for liver and kidneys. Carol Monroe Nature doesn't judge. It's pure love, pure being, perfectly in the moment because it's not thinking all the time. Such is the nature of enlightenment. Isha Judd To: Rife Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:29:56 PMSubject: liver support HiCan someone be so kind and suggest a gentle liver support product to take when taking Doxy? i have a feeling that my liver has been pretty toxic prior to the lyme and Milk Thisstle is too strong. Hope its ok to ask being that this is not a rife question?Thanks so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Have you tried dandelion root? Also lots of pure clean water. One thing that is really helpful to me is lots of beets - I often do carrot/beet/parsley juice with a little raw garlic (depending on who I'm going to be near) and that tastes good and is nourishing on many levels and beets are particularly good for liver and kidneys. Carol Monroe Nature doesn't judge. It's pure love, pure being, perfectly in the moment because it's not thinking all the time. Such is the nature of enlightenment. Isha Judd To: Rife Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:29:56 PMSubject: liver support HiCan someone be so kind and suggest a gentle liver support product to take when taking Doxy? i have a feeling that my liver has been pretty toxic prior to the lyme and Milk Thisstle is too strong. Hope its ok to ask being that this is not a rife question?Thanks so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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