Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 >Our DAN doctor wants our two-year-old to use NDF (see below) instead >of DMSA. Has anyone heard of or tried this? Our DAN doctor is >currently giving it to her ten-year-old autistic with good results. >I know Dr. Holmes says to avoid cilantro due to lack of research, and >the detox paper says to avoid chlorella (although some disagree), but >these people give it a thumbs up if used properly. THEY CLAIM IT >ELIMINATES UP TO 920% MORE METALS THAN DMSA AND IS SAFER TO USE. If >it's so great, why haven't I heard of it before? This is why I'm >reluctant (but I'm curious, too). Here is their info and web >address... > >http://www.bioray2000.com > >Any input would be appreciated! > >Thanks, Lori Hi Lori, NDF has been discussed on this list several times in recent memory, although not in great depth. A search on " NDF " should find past comments for you. You may need to do " NEXT " a couple of times to go back far enough. NDF is also listed in ANDY_INDEX: /files/ANDY_INDEX ANDY_INDEX has a whole section on " other " chelators, all of which Andy, very predictably, thinks are junk. The only exception I can think of is saunas (which Andy thinks are probably helpful). I am also read about 3 lists for mercury toxic adults, one of which has a few people who use NDF on it. None of the above is any comment at all on the product--- more I'm commenting on where you can find comments. Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 Lori, I do not think that your doc should be calling himself a 'DAN' doctor when he is so far removed from the DAN consensus on chelation. Calling himself a DAN doctor conveys that he knows what he is talking about which is misleading if he is recommending NDF rather than proposing a proper protocol. Celia [ ] Please read! Our DAN doctor wants our two-year-old to use NDF (see below) instead of DMSA. Has anyone heard of or tried this? Our DAN doctor is currently giving it to her ten-year-old autistic with good results. I know Dr. Holmes says to avoid cilantro due to lack of research, and the detox paper says to avoid chlorella (although some disagree), but these people give it a thumbs up if used properly. THEY CLAIM IT ELIMINATES UP TO 920% MORE METALS THAN DMSA AND IS SAFER TO USE. If it's so great, why haven't I heard of it before? This is why I'm reluctant (but I'm curious, too). Here is their info and web address... http://www.bioray2000.com Any input would be appreciated! Thanks, Lori (Nanocolloidal Detox FactorsT) Physician's Information 9/12/01 NDF is a non-sulfhydryl-containing dietary supplement, that binds to metallic elements and is of significant benefit in maintaining a normal balance of metal elements in the body. Summary NDF's predominant route of excretion is via the urine, thus accelerating the excretion rate of the mobilized metals as compared to the fecal route, decreasing the possibility of enzyme and leaky gut mediated resorption through the bowel, and decreasing the burden on the liver. The majority of the metals to be mobilized and eliminated per dose are quickly detectable in the first urination following the dose. Independent real time digital EEG studies show a beneficial effect on the electrical activity of the brain, specifically raises beta waves which are typically depressed by an improper metallic ion balance. to normal levels (from within 5 to 113 minutes post ingestion and lasting at least 4 hours) with a concurrent dramatic increase in the urinary excretion of heavy metals and patient reports of subjective improvement. Ingredients: NDF is made from certified organic, raw, whole foods. It is not fractionated or synthesized. 2 milliliters (2 droppers full or 52 drops) contain: 50 mgs. - Nanocolloidal cell wall decimated Chlorella Pyrenoidosa. ..12 mls. - Nanocolloidal Cilantro. 10 mgs. - Nanocolloidal *PolyFlor 75 mgs/liter nanocolloidal Silica. Grain neutral spirits 18% as a preservative. *PolyFlorT microorganisms include: 12 strains of lactobacillus (including casei, acidophilus, salivarius, bulgaricus, sporogones and plantarum), 3 strains bifidobacterium including longum and bifidum, streptococcus thermophilus, and b. laterosporus. Why " Nanonize " the Ingredients? Chlorella is known in mining to bind heavy metals to its cell wall. Yet many people have taken Chlorella with no benefit. The reasons are that all of the available chlorella is not really `cell wall broken' and that most of it is already contaminated with heavy metals. Enclosed are before and after micrographs of our processing of the best, heavy metal free, currently available " Broken Cell Chlorella " taken at 400x on a DarkField microscope: A. The picture clearly shows that not only are ALL of the cell walls intact, but the individual diatoms are tightly clustered in groups of about 500 units each. This would be very difficult to digest and may explain why some people get gastro intestinal distress when taking normal chlorella but not with NDF. Nanocolloidal cell wall decimated chlorella has never been available so far! (have to go to the site to see the pix) ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I do not believe NDF (or any other product by BioRay) is effective. It is marketed with a LOT of hype. This is very seductive to some physicians. I am actually looking into some NDF claims in more detail, I will let you know what I think if I change my mind, but so far I have not seen anything that makes me think it is more than a placebo - perhaps with some heavy metal contamination to make the stool analyses look good. Andy > Our DAN doctor wants our two-year-old to use NDF (see below) instead > of DMSA. Has anyone heard of or tried this? Our DAN doctor is > currently giving it to her ten-year-old autistic with good results. > I know Dr. Holmes says to avoid cilantro due to lack of research, and > the detox paper says to avoid chlorella (although some disagree), but > these people give it a thumbs up if used properly. THEY CLAIM IT > ELIMINATES UP TO 920% MORE METALS THAN DMSA AND IS SAFER TO USE. If > it's so great, why haven't I heard of it before? This is why I'm > reluctant (but I'm curious, too). Here is their info and web > address... > > http://www.bioray2000.com > > Any input would be appreciated! > > Thanks, Lori > > > > (Nanocolloidal Detox Factors™) > > Physician's Information 9/12/01 > > NDF is a non-sulfhydryl-containing dietary supplement, that binds to > metallic elements and is of significant benefit in maintaining a > normal balance of metal elements in the body. > > Summary > > NDF's predominant route of excretion is via the urine, thus > accelerating the excretion rate of the mobilized metals as compared > to the fecal route, decreasing the possibility of enzyme and leaky > gut mediated resorption through the bowel, and decreasing the burden > on the liver. The majority of the metals to be mobilized and > eliminated per dose are quickly detectable in the first urination > following the dose. > > Independent real time digital EEG studies show a beneficial effect on > the electrical activity of the brain, specifically raises beta waves > which are typically depressed by an improper metallic ion balance. > to normal levels (from within 5 to 113 minutes post ingestion and > lasting at least 4 hours) with a concurrent dramatic increase in the > urinary excretion of heavy metals and patient reports of subjective > improvement. > > Ingredients: > > NDF is made from certified organic, raw, whole foods. It is not > fractionated or synthesized. > > 2 milliliters (2 droppers full or 52 drops) contain: > > 50 mgs. - Nanocolloidal cell wall decimated Chlorella Pyrenoidosa. > .12 mls. - Nanocolloidal Cilantro. > 10 mgs. - Nanocolloidal *PolyFlor > 75 mgs/liter nanocolloidal Silica. > Grain neutral spirits 18% as a preservative. > *PolyFlor™ microorganisms include: 12 strains of lactobacillus > (including casei, acidophilus, salivarius, bulgaricus, sporogones and > plantarum), 3 strains bifidobacterium including longum and bifidum, > streptococcus thermophilus, and b. laterosporus. > > > > Why " Nanonize " the Ingredients? > > Chlorella is known in mining to bind heavy metals to its cell wall. > Yet many people have taken Chlorella with no benefit. The reasons > are that all of the available chlorella is not really `cell wall > broken' and that most of it is already contaminated with heavy > metals. Enclosed are before and after micrographs of our processing > of the best, heavy metal free, currently available " Broken Cell > Chlorella " taken at 400x on a DarkField microscope: > > > > A. The picture clearly shows that not only are ALL of the cell > walls intact, but the individual diatoms are tightly clustered in > groups of about 500 units each. This would be very difficult to > digest and may explain why some people get gastro intestinal distress > when taking normal chlorella but not with NDF. Nanocolloidal cell > wall decimated chlorella has never been available so far! > > (have to go to the site to se Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE Please read this then pass it on. It might save someone's life...maybe even your own!!! A cardiologist says it's the trust...Heart Attack For your info. If everyone who gets this sends it to 10 people, you can bet that we'll save at least one life.Let's say it's 6.15 pm and you're driving home (alone of course),after an unusually hard day on the job. You're really tired, upset and frustrated.Suddenly you start experiencing severe pain in your chest that starts to radiate out into your arm and up into your jaw. You are only about five miles from the hospital nearest your home. Unfortunately you don't know if you'll be able to make it that far.You have been trained in CPR, but the guy that taught the course did not tell you how to perform it on yourself.Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, without help, the person whose heart is beating improperly and who begins to feel faint, has only about 10 seconds left before losing consciousness.However, these victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about every two seconds without set-up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way,heart attack victims can get to a hospital.Tell as many other people as possible about this. It could save their lives!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 This story was going around a while back and someone identified it as a hoax. I'm not sure if it is or not. Dr. Schulze says that cayenne can stop a heart attack or stroke in its tracks Well, I just had that on another e-mail of mine. I had heard it before several years ago, actually heard it before I had the Internet. So I don't know. I'll check more into it and see. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 This story was going around a while back and someone identified it as a hoax. I'm not sure if it is or not. Dr. Schulze says that cayenne can stop a heart attack or stroke in its tracks. My gallbladder/digestive problems cause my heart at times to pound uncontrollably. If I take a dropperful of cayenne I'm fine. It is also good for stopping bleeding. My son cut his hand at the base of the thumb two days ago. it was bleeding fairly profusely. I squirted it with cayenne and the bleeding slowed down to nothing. It was bad enough that it required stitches, but we had the bleeding stopped long before he received treatment. AMDG, Colleen K. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tishri7@... gallstones Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Please read! HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE Please read this then pass it on. It might save someone's life...maybe even your own!!! A cardiologist says it's the trust...Heart Attack For your info. If everyone who gets this sends it to 10 people, you can bet that we'll save at least one life.Let's say it's 6.15 pm and you're driving home (alone of course),after an unusually hard day on the job. You're really tired, upset and frustrated.Suddenly you start experiencing severe pain in your chest that starts to radiate out into your arm and up into your jaw. You are only about five miles from the hospital nearest your home. Unfortunately you don't know if you'll be able to make it that far.You have been trained in CPR, but the guy that taught the course did not tell you how to perform it on yourself.Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, without help, the person whose heart is beating improperly and who begins to feel faint, has only about 10 seconds left before losing consciousness.However, these victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about every two seconds without set-up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way,heart attack victims can get to a hospital.Tell as many other people as possible about this. It could save their lives!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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