HcG for Very Low Testosterone -- first time poster

[Guest guest]

Have been lurking here for a while and finally decided to post. This

is my first post after reading some useful general information with a

question specific to my condition.

I am interested in improving my fertility and have been diagnosed

with low testosterone and sub-fertility.

Here is the data I have...

1/28/2003

Total Testosterone 225.3 [241-827]

Free Testosterone 46.8 [47-244]

LH 3.3 [1.5-9.3]

FSH 2.3 [1.4-18.1]

6/9/2003

Total Testosterone 142.6 [241-827]

At this point the Urologist put me on Clomid (will have to check the

dosage).

12/19/2003

Total Testosterone 259.8 [241-827]

By this time, I had stopped Clomid for a couple of month and my

fertility had reached the low end of the normal range.

02/28/06

Total Testosterone 154 [241-827]

Free Testosterone 4.4 [6-30]

LH 4.5 [1.5-9.3]

FSH 2.8 [1.4-18.1]

Fertility has dropped again to severly sub-fertile level.

My question:

I have been offered Hcg shots as I cannot go on gels etc.(will make

me completely infertile). The goal is to try to improve fertility so

that we can have kids as well as get my testosterone level up.

I was 34 in 2003 and as you can see my testosterone was ~146. I am

5'11'', 175 lbs and have no other issues. I had a MRI done in 2004 to

check pituitary and no issues there.

I have seen good advice from members here and would like your opinion.

Should I go with my doctor's recommendation who happens to be a

Urologist specializing in infertility...he was little hesitant in

prescribing HcG, though my Endo. was okay earlier this year.

What about FSH levels...they are low as well and HcG is not going to

help with that.

I think he has prescribed 10,000 units of Hcg for a month, 2500 units

per week I guess (thrice a week). 12, 22g, 1.5'' syringes total.

All the advice will be greatly appreciated by both of us. I have seen

so many doctors in last 3-4 years to get the right answers and nobody

is able to explain anything to me. I don't even know whether it's

primary or secondary hypogonadism.

Thanks in advance and sorry for a long post but I wanted to put all

the data down that I have.

-cj

[Guest guest]

CJ,

Welcome! Great place to come for support and answers.

What sort of side effects have you felt/do you feel with low T

levels? Was it all of a sudden 3-4 years ago or have you struggled

all along?

What was the dosage of Clomid? I was one 50 mgs. 3x week and had

tremendous results, for example.

Blessings,

Bill

>

> Have been lurking here for a while and finally decided to post.

This

> is my first post after reading some useful general information

with a

> question specific to my condition.

>

> I am interested in improving my fertility and have been diagnosed

> with low testosterone and sub-fertility.

>

> Here is the data I have...

>

> 1/28/2003

> Total Testosterone 225.3 [241-827]

> Free Testosterone 46.8 [47-244]

> LH 3.3 [1.5-9.3]

> FSH 2.3 [1.4-18.1]

>

>

> 6/9/2003

> Total Testosterone 142.6 [241-827]

>

> At this point the Urologist put me on Clomid (will have to check

the

> dosage).

>

> 12/19/2003

> Total Testosterone 259.8 [241-827]

>

> By this time, I had stopped Clomid for a couple of month and my

> fertility had reached the low end of the normal range.

>

> 02/28/06

> Total Testosterone 154 [241-827]

> Free Testosterone 4.4 [6-30]

> LH 4.5 [1.5-9.3]

> FSH 2.8 [1.4-18.1]

>

> Fertility has dropped again to severly sub-fertile level.

>

> My question:

>

> I have been offered Hcg shots as I cannot go on gels etc.(will

make

> me completely infertile). The goal is to try to improve fertility

so

> that we can have kids as well as get my testosterone level up.

>

> I was 34 in 2003 and as you can see my testosterone was ~146. I am

> 5'11'', 175 lbs and have no other issues. I had a MRI done in 2004

to

> check pituitary and no issues there.

>

> I have seen good advice from members here and would like your

opinion.

> Should I go with my doctor's recommendation who happens to be a

> Urologist specializing in infertility...he was little hesitant in

> prescribing HcG, though my Endo. was okay earlier this year.

>

> What about FSH levels...they are low as well and HcG is not going

to

> help with that.

>

> I think he has prescribed 10,000 units of Hcg for a month, 2500

units

> per week I guess (thrice a week). 12, 22g, 1.5'' syringes total.

>

> All the advice will be greatly appreciated by both of us. I have

seen

> so many doctors in last 3-4 years to get the right answers and

nobody

> is able to explain anything to me. I don't even know whether it's

> primary or secondary hypogonadism.

>

> Thanks in advance and sorry for a long post but I wanted to put

all

> the data down that I have.

>

> -cj

>

[Guest guest]

CJ,

I'm currently injecting hcg and am very happy with it. I had been

on androgel for over a year, my testis were shrinking, we are trying

to have another baby, so my doc put me on hcg while I tapered off

the androgel (took about 3 weeks). Now I'm just doing the hcg,

1000iu's per shot, every third day which works out to 10 times in a

month which equals the 10,000iu bottle of Novarel. My T levels

actually went up using the hcg, from 458 to 498. My testis are now

hanging low again and although they haven't yet returned to their

original size, I think they have gotten slightly bigger (I've only

been on it for almost 2 months). Anyway, if you talk to your doc,

you should be able to inject the hcg subq instead of IM. I know it

says IM only on the package, but it works just fine subq. I barely

notice the shots subq, but I suspect it would be painful to do them

IM since you get one every third day. I'm also using a 30 gauge

needle (half inch long) to inject with. They gave me a 22 gauge

(1.5 " long) to draw with then I switch the needle to the 30 gauge.

Since my insurance doesn't cover the hcg (because of the fertility

issue), I get mine from IVPCARE.COM. I'm pretty happy with them,

although it's easier to talk with them on the phone than use their

website. It seems like I read a study somewhere that said the hcg

does increase fsh levels also, though probably not all that much.

Hope this helps. -Dan

> >

> > Have been lurking here for a while and finally decided to post.

> This

> > is my first post after reading some useful general information

> with a

> > question specific to my condition.

> >

> > I am interested in improving my fertility and have been

diagnosed

> > with low testosterone and sub-fertility.

> >

> > Here is the data I have...

> >

> > 1/28/2003

> > Total Testosterone 225.3 [241-827]

> > Free Testosterone 46.8 [47-244]

> > LH 3.3 [1.5-9.3]

> > FSH 2.3 [1.4-18.1]

> >

> >

> > 6/9/2003

> > Total Testosterone 142.6 [241-827]

> >

> > At this point the Urologist put me on Clomid (will have to check

> the

> > dosage).

> >

> > 12/19/2003

> > Total Testosterone 259.8 [241-827]

> >

> > By this time, I had stopped Clomid for a couple of month and my

> > fertility had reached the low end of the normal range.

> >

> > 02/28/06

> > Total Testosterone 154 [241-827]

> > Free Testosterone 4.4 [6-30]

> > LH 4.5 [1.5-9.3]

> > FSH 2.8 [1.4-18.1]

> >

> > Fertility has dropped again to severly sub-fertile level.

> >

> > My question:

> >

> > I have been offered Hcg shots as I cannot go on gels etc.(will

> make

> > me completely infertile). The goal is to try to improve

fertility

> so

> > that we can have kids as well as get my testosterone level up.

> >

> > I was 34 in 2003 and as you can see my testosterone was ~146. I

am

> > 5'11'', 175 lbs and have no other issues. I had a MRI done in

2004

> to

> > check pituitary and no issues there.

> >

> > I have seen good advice from members here and would like your

> opinion.

> > Should I go with my doctor's recommendation who happens to be a

> > Urologist specializing in infertility...he was little hesitant

in

> > prescribing HcG, though my Endo. was okay earlier this year.

> >

> > What about FSH levels...they are low as well and HcG is not

going

> to

> > help with that.

> >

> > I think he has prescribed 10,000 units of Hcg for a month, 2500

> units

> > per week I guess (thrice a week). 12, 22g, 1.5'' syringes total.

> >

> > All the advice will be greatly appreciated by both of us. I have

> seen

> > so many doctors in last 3-4 years to get the right answers and

> nobody

> > is able to explain anything to me. I don't even know whether

it's

> > primary or secondary hypogonadism.

> >

> > Thanks in advance and sorry for a long post but I wanted to put

> all

> > the data down that I have.

> >

> > -cj

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Have been lurking here for a while and finally decided to post.

> This

> > is my first post after reading some useful general information

> with a

> > question specific to my condition.

> >

> > I am interested in improving my fertility and have been diagnosed

> > with low testosterone and sub-fertility.

> >

> > Here is the data I have...

> >

> > 1/28/2003

> > Total Testosterone 225.3 [241-827]

> > Free Testosterone 46.8 [47-244]

> > LH 3.3 [1.5-9.3]

> > FSH 2.3 [1.4-18.1]

> >

> >

> > 6/9/2003

> > Total Testosterone 142.6 [241-827]

> >

> > At this point the Urologist put me on Clomid (will have to check

> the

> > dosage).

> >

> > 12/19/2003

> > Total Testosterone 259.8 [241-827]

> >

> > By this time, I had stopped Clomid for a couple of month and my

> > fertility had reached the low end of the normal range.

> >

> > 02/28/06

> > Total Testosterone 154 [241-827]

> > Free Testosterone 4.4 [6-30]

> > LH 4.5 [1.5-9.3]

> > FSH 2.8 [1.4-18.1]

> >

> > Fertility has dropped again to severly sub-fertile level.

> >

> > My question:

> >

> > I have been offered Hcg shots as I cannot go on gels etc.(will

> make

> > me completely infertile). The goal is to try to improve fertility

> so

> > that we can have kids as well as get my testosterone level up.

> >

> > I was 34 in 2003 and as you can see my testosterone was ~146. I am

> > 5'11'', 175 lbs and have no other issues. I had a MRI done in 2004

> to

> > check pituitary and no issues there.

> >

> > I have seen good advice from members here and would like your

> opinion.

> > Should I go with my doctor's recommendation who happens to be a

> > Urologist specializing in infertility...he was little hesitant in

> > prescribing HcG, though my Endo. was okay earlier this year.

> >

> > What about FSH levels...they are low as well and HcG is not going

> to

> > help with that.

> >

> > I think he has prescribed 10,000 units of Hcg for a month, 2500

> units

> > per week I guess (thrice a week). 12, 22g, 1.5'' syringes total.

> >

> > All the advice will be greatly appreciated by both of us. I have

> seen

> > so many doctors in last 3-4 years to get the right answers and

> nobody

> > is able to explain anything to me. I don't even know whether it's

> > primary or secondary hypogonadism.

> >

> > Thanks in advance and sorry for a long post but I wanted to put

> all

> > the data down that I have.

> >

> > -cj

> >

>