Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Very well done and I appreciate your honest remarks. [ ] IPT (continued) List, When I posted on IPT, it was meant as a response to a subscriber who had a bad experience, named the clinic, and then advised against IPT. As I did not know the full story I left out all references to that post; I wanted to make it clear though that IPT is just another tool. It can be useful in the hands of the skilled and I have advised on its use many times over many years. I learned it in 2002 from Dr. Donato - (the grandson of the inventor) who was treating one of our program participants. Over the years I have shared my observations with Dr. Donato. I think he is a skilled practitioner who does a simple form of it that has proven very successful with early stage cancers. I interviewed him extensively on the technique so I could better understand its strengths and weaknesses before recommending it (or any modifications) with any clinic I advise. I thought that Dr. Donato was very honest. Any time he did not know an answer he would say so. He claimed success in about 25% of stage 3 cancers and 0% of stage 4 cancers. This does not mean that it should not be used on late stage cancers. It is all the more useful with late stage cancers if you respect its limitations. It is a technique that requires understanding and patience. Unfortunately I have seen its use aggressively marketed by certain clinics. They use it on patients who should not be candidates for the therapy and they use it in ways that I consider so flawed that it tarnishes the good reputation that IPT should have. The flaws that I listed in the earlier post are very common and I can perhaps even say usual. That listing should serve as a caveat to help potential users assess the skills of a practitioner and to help the candidate frame his/her questions. For example, " Doctor, how can IPT possibly work if I have a low SUV on my PET-CT? " If a physician makes his/her living from IPT they want to stay a thousand miles away from that question. A patient would be foolish to ignore the fact that cancer treatment is a business that is highly competitive and in which much money changes hands. Every clinic and every physician puts on a show of professionalism, authority, and caring. All too often their only real skills are in displaying this pageantry. IPT has a special attractiveness as a marketing tool: there is no governing body to set standards, no mechanism to stop renegade physicians, no way to attempt redress for misadventures, no transparency in procedures, no certification process other than being listed on a website that a weekend course was attended. Of course there are efforts to band together to improve the product and its marketing and to protect themselves from outside review or oversight. All too often a physician has a struggling practice as a general practitioner and now, with a few hours of training from a road-show seminar, they are ready to go out and make the real money. This same model is now being used by Dr. Simoncini to train physicians to cure every cancer with injections of baking soda. There are of course experienced, responsible non-oncologist clinicians and researchers who have wide experience with cancer, pathophysiology, pharmacology, and immunology who use the basic understanding of the relationship of insulin, glucose, and high-grade cancers to achieve better results. For them it is just another tool or understanding that can be integrated into their practice. It isn't even necessary to give the strategy its own name, i.e., " Insulin Potentiation Therapy. " Unfortunately there are not that many of these practitioners and these few are not well known because it is not their nature to do a lot of grandstanding. Conventional oncologists, their guilds, and official governing bodies almost universally decry IPT with their dour rants that it is unsafe, unproven, and it is being performed by skallywags and novices. You would think it is one step short of criminal. At the opposite end of the spectrum are those who make their living from it and their Pollyanna supporters with their hosannas. A rational person would step back and observe that IPT, if properly done, is just another way to selectively increase chemo uptake into cancer cells -- in this case any cells with a penchant for glucose. It is one among many cancer-cell selective therapies. Others include the addition of various functional groups on chemo molecules to better target specific receptors, selective particle size to take advantage of enhanced permeability of aberrant tumor microvasculature, nanoparticle/liposome incasement, modification of cancer cell stains, ion trapping, and perhaps a dozen more. These other strategies usually require a certain comfort level with technical issues or the meds are hard to obtain. IPT is available to anyone who can get their hands on insulin. On the fringes of allopathic medicine are a number of therapies that do seem to have their merits but don't have an official imprimatur because they can potentially undermine the profits and the paradigms of the greater industry. Developers and practitioners of such therapies can include the cutting-edge types, but just as often are favored by the rascals and wannabes. A frantic patient has virtually no chance to sort it all out. I try to use some of the educational elements of our own program to help a wider audience become wiser consumers. I am writing a book on rational ways to expand your options and take charge of your own cancer treatment, and list members are helping me by questioning and prompting clarifications. I am very appreciative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 , Thank you for your clarification and some of your as usual astute insights. The specific doctor that I mentioned actually trained with Dr. - and he makes a point of explaining why it is so important to get the right training. The question you mentioned that should be asked about " how can IPT work if I have a low SUV on my PET-CT scan " puzzled me. Can you explain this further. Why would IPT have better or worse results depending on the SUV number on a PET scan and can you please explain what you consider a low number or a high number. This is not a question that we asked but I intend to do so the next time we see the doctor but I need a better understanding of the question and what I should be looking for in an answer. My understanding from our doctor is that there aren't many well trained IPT practitioners and those who are well trained and committed to this form of treatment are members of some organization (not sure of the name) that is trying to get this treatment accepted as an official FDA approved treatment. Another interesting thing that I wanted to mention is that when we asked the doctor why he picked this treatment over other alternative treatments his answer was not that this is the only way to go. He said there are many different things you can do to fight cancer this is just one of them that he feels in our case we should try first. If this does not give us the results we want we will look at other options. Also, he is not doing this exclusively of other supplements. He strongly urges his patients to modify their diet and make sure to include the proper supplements to strengthen their immune system. I think it is a good thing for a support group to keep track of names of clinics and physicians that people have good or bad experiences with so with that in mind I offer Dr. Linchitz as a recommended doctor for alternative and complimentary medicine. As a side point, Dr. Linchitz himself is a Lung Cancer survivor. I think that in itself makes him a more compassionate and committed doctor for cancer patients. I am so glad to hear that you are writing a book and cannot wait for it to be published so that more people can benefit from your vast knowledge and good advice. Nili [ ] IPT (continued) List, When I posted on IPT, it was meant as a response to a subscriber who had a bad experience, named the clinic, and then advised against IPT. As I did not know the full story I left out all references to that post; I wanted to make it clear though that IPT is just another tool. It can be useful in the hands of the skilled and I have advised on its use many times over many years. I learned it in 2002 from Dr. Donato - (the grandson of the inventor) who was treating one of our program participants. Over the years I have shared my observations with Dr. Donato. I think he is a skilled practitioner who does a simple form of it that has proven very successful with early stage cancers. I interviewed him extensively on the technique so I could better understand its strengths and weaknesses before recommending it (or any modifications) with any clinic I advise. I thought that Dr. Donato was very honest. Any time he did not know an answer he would say so. He claimed success in about 25% of stage 3 cancers and 0% of stage 4 cancers. This does not mean that it should not be used on late stage cancers. It is all the more useful with late stage cancers if you respect its limitations. It is a technique that requires understanding and patience. Unfortunately I have seen its use aggressively marketed by certain clinics. They use it on patients who should not be candidates for the therapy and they use it in ways that I consider so flawed that it tarnishes the good reputation that IPT should have. The flaws that I listed in the earlier post are very common and I can perhaps even say usual. That listing should serve as a caveat to help potential users assess the skills of a practitioner and to help the candidate frame his/her questions................................<snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 What a refreshing post to see someone willing to ask and ask until they are satisfied they have a basis for treatment acceptance. It looks like your doctor is in agreement with about most not being well trained practitioners in IPT. " Information is still our best friend " . Neither of them branded 'all' doctors as being bad practitioners. Keep this up and pity the next doctor that tries to use IPT without giving us some answers. Joe C. From: Nili Gitig Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [ ] IPT (continued) My understanding from our doctor is that there aren't many well trained IPT practitioners and those who are well trained and committed to this form of treatment are members of some organization (not sure of the name) that is trying to get this treatment accepted as an official FDA approved treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 All of these cancer therapies are so confusing. Some say do cod liver oil, olive oil, flaxoil, beans, soy, fruit, some say dont do these things. Everyone has different supplements. What do we do? Thanks, Robyn ________________________________ From: Nili Gitig <ngitig@...> Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 3:26:01 PM Subject: Re: [ ] IPT (continued)  , Thank you for your clarification and some of your as usual astute insights. The specific doctor that I mentioned actually trained with Dr. - and he makes a point of explaining why it is so important to get the right training. The question you mentioned that should be asked about " how can IPT work if I have a low SUV on my PET-CT scan " puzzled me. Can you explain this further. Why would IPT have better or worse results depending on the SUV number on a PET scan and can you please explain what you consider a low number or a high number. This is not a question that we asked but I intend to do so the next time we see the doctor but I need a better understanding of the question and what I should be looking for in an answer. My understanding from our doctor is that there aren't many well trained IPT practitioners and those who are well trained and committed to this form of treatment are members of some organization (not sure of the name) that is trying to get this treatment accepted as an official FDA approved treatment. Another interesting thing that I wanted to mention is that when we asked the doctor why he picked this treatment over other alternative treatments his answer was not that this is the only way to go. He said there are many different things you can do to fight cancer this is just one of them that he feels in our case we should try first. If this does not give us the results we want we will look at other options. Also, he is not doing this exclusively of other supplements. He strongly urges his patients to modify their diet and make sure to include the proper supplements to strengthen their immune system. I think it is a good thing for a support group to keep track of names of clinics and physicians that people have good or bad experiences with so with that in mind I offer Dr. Linchitz as a recommended doctor for alternative and complimentary medicine. As a side point, Dr. Linchitz himself is a Lung Cancer survivor. I think that in itself makes him a more compassionate and committed doctor for cancer patients. I am so glad to hear that you are writing a book and cannot wait for it to be published so that more people can benefit from your vast knowledge and good advice. Nili [ ] IPT (continued) List, When I posted on IPT, it was meant as a response to a subscriber who had a bad experience, named the clinic, and then advised against IPT. As I did not know the full story I left out all references to that post; I wanted to make it clear though that IPT is just another tool. It can be useful in the hands of the skilled and I have advised on its use many times over many years. I learned it in 2002 from Dr. Donato - (the grandson of the inventor) who was treating one of our program participants. Over the years I have shared my observations with Dr. Donato. I think he is a skilled practitioner who does a simple form of it that has proven very successful with early stage cancers. I interviewed him extensively on the technique so I could better understand its strengths and weaknesses before recommending it (or any modifications) with any clinic I advise. I thought that Dr. Donato was very honest. Any time he did not know an answer he would say so. He claimed success in about 25% of stage 3 cancers and 0% of stage 4 cancers. This does not mean that it should not be used on late stage cancers. It is all the more useful with late stage cancers if you respect its limitations. It is a technique that requires understanding and patience. Unfortunately I have seen its use aggressively marketed by certain clinics. They use it on patients who should not be candidates for the therapy and they use it in ways that I consider so flawed that it tarnishes the good reputation that IPT should have. The flaws that I listed in the earlier post are very common and I can perhaps even say usual. That listing should serve as a caveat to help potential users assess the skills of a practitioner and to help the candidate frame his/her questions... ......... .......... ......... ..<snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 <<there aren't many well trained IPT practitioners and those who are well trained and committed to this form of treatment are members of>> www.ioipcenter.org (to find an IPT doctor, http://iptforcancer.com, but there are other great IPT practitioners who aren't members and aren't listed in this directory) greatyoga@... wrote: <<why can't or don't docs use IPT with powerful natural substances that would probably work as well but do not have side effects like chemo does? Are there any docs that do this sort of thing?>> Yes, but I can't recall exactly which doctors do it or which substances they use. <<IPT doctors! This May they have their yearly conference in Hollywood, Florida and there will be a day when the public can go and get informed about it.>> http://www.iptforcancer.com/conference I attended their conference in October and it was wonderful (both the IPT material and the material on other aspects of alt. cancer treatment & alt. medicine). >leonardleonard1 stated: testicular cancers are easily healed by alternative treatments: Please elaborate on this I recall saying (many years ago) that testicular cancer's rather easy to treat by various methods (alt. and conventional), but I just checked my files and regret that I really don't know much about alt. treatments for it (other than that melatonin's very effective w/it). Leonard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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