Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 These quotes are quite biased. The poor statistics are quite true, but they only apply to those who let themselves be buffeted about like a leaf in the wind and not to well-informed realists who know how to tip toe through the mine field. The single quote that should be on the forefront of everyone's mind is: " An apple a day keeps the doctor away -- as long as it is well aimed..!! " At 04:28 PM 5/9/2010, you wrote: > >This is what many Dr's had to say about Chemotherapy: ><http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/chemo-quotes.html>http://www.oas\ isadvancedwellness.com/learning/chemo-quotes.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Greetings, They say that laughter is the best medicine. Thank you Vince for a wonderful belly laugh to start my day. Bright Blessings, Garth & Kim www.TheRoseColoredForest.com Bedias, Texas VGammill wrote: > These quotes are quite biased. The poor statistics are quite true, > but they only apply to those who let themselves be buffeted about > like a leaf in the wind and not to well-informed realists who know > how to tip toe through the mine field. The single quote that should > be on the forefront of everyone's mind is: > " An apple a day keeps the doctor away -- as long as it is well aimed..!! " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Having gone through colon surgery and one month of conventional treatment as well as a hospital stay because of chemo side effects and also watching others who have maxed-out their conventional medicine treatment for cancer (in other words go home and get your affairs in order), I would say the quotes are not biased at all. I see these same type scenarios played out over and over for those with cancer. But, I also think, that we become quite numb to the severity of the cancer epidemic, especially when we watch those 30-45 minute infommercials put out by MD , reminding everyone how they are " making cancer history. " I've seen a lot of their " history making " and it doesn't impress me. It is interesting to note that the narrator of these programs is the son of a Houston local news anchor who died of cancer several years ago -- I assume MD " made history " with him. Unfortunately most have no idea how to " tip toe through the mind field " because they trust a system/industry that is making billions off of cancer patients. They know they cannot cure you but they can sure empty your wallet while you are still around. " We have a multi-billion dollar industry that is killing people, right and left, just for financial gain. Their idea of research is to see whether two doses of this poison is better than three doses of that poison. " -Glen Warner, M.D. oncologist. Be Well Loretta -----Original Message----- These quotes are quite biased. The poor statistics are quite true, but they only apply to those who let themselves be buffeted about like a leaf in the wind and not to well-informed realists who know how to tip toe through the mine field. The single quote that should be on the forefront of everyone's mind is: " An apple a day keeps the doctor away -- as long as it is well aimed..!! " At 04:28 PM 5/9/2010, you wrote: > >This is what many Dr's had to say about Chemotherapy: ><http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/chemo-quotes.html>http://www ..oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/chemo-quotes.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Loretta, The quotes represent statistics of the average conventional, MD-trusting, medicine consumer. I think that there are few, if any, such people on this list. The statistics also represent largely dated chemo and radiation therapies that utilized a blunderbuss approach to cancer. Sadly, this still seems to be the " standard of care. " There are better modern conventional solutions. These center around much better targeting with both chemo and radiation. All are expensive and a true cure is the great exception, but when used with methods to side step unwanted effects and reinstate immune function, these can be life saving. If one does not have the money or the insurance for the monoclonal antibodies, the proton beams, etc., there are many alternative options and some can be just as aggressive as the cancer. Again the consumer has to sort his/her way through much marketing and indoctrination. Part of the problem is the interaction with conventional oncologists. To adequately look after yourself it mean constant confrontation. In my case it meant being charming, tactful, treating him like an expert, asking rather than telling, and because I was not willing to do anything he recommended I constantly complemented him on his great cleverness at using morphine to kill my pain. I could say this with a straight face because the morphine did work. My trip through the mine field included an extended stay in China, delays of treatment while I researched my options, ultimately chemo, radiation, PDT, and some common easily obtainable vitamins (e.g. vit E succinate) and a few alternatives that I made myself as this is what I do. Once I had everything sorted out there were no side effects and now, within only two months, my health is as good as it has ever been. It is hard to believe as only three months ago I was truly half dead from the metastatic rectal cancer. So far I have been able to avoid exenteration. The surgeon is still circling me with plans to hang bags on me to replace bladder and colon. They just can't believe that I am going through an internal reconstruction -- thanks to working with nature rather than against it. At this point my worst fear is that I have been too aggressive at fighting the cancer and I can ulcerate inside, so I try to find a balance. Loretta, I think there are many on this list who have found their own route through this maze and sidestepped the statistics. At 08:48 AM 5/10/2010, you wrote: > > >Having gone through colon surgery and one month of conventional treatment as >well as a hospital stay because of chemo side effects and also watching >others who have maxed-out their conventional medicine treatment for cancer >(in other words go home and get your affairs in order), I would say the >quotes are not biased at all. I see these same type scenarios played out >over and over for those with cancer. But, I also think, that we become >quite numb to the severity of the cancer epidemic, especially when we watch >those 30-45 minute infommercials put out by MD , reminding everyone >how they are " making cancer history. " I've seen a lot of their " history >making " and it doesn't impress me. It is interesting to note that the >narrator of these programs is the son of a Houston local news anchor who >died of cancer several years ago -- I assume MD " made history " with >him. > >Unfortunately most have no idea how to " tip toe through the mind field " >because they trust a system/industry that is making billions off of cancer >patients. They know they cannot cure you but they can sure empty your >wallet while you are still around. > > " We have a multi-billion dollar industry that is killing people, right and >left, just for financial gain. Their idea of research is to see whether two >doses of this poison is better than three doses of that poison. " -Glen >Warner, M.D. oncologist. > >Be Well >Loretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 , you wrote: ------------------- " Part of the problem is the interaction with conventional oncologists. To adequately look after yourself it mean constant confrontation. In my case it meant being charming, tactful, treating him like an expert, asking rather than telling, and because I was not willing to do anything he recommended " ------------------- The problem is that most cancer patients are too sick, tired and worn out from all the stress of dealing with this disease. They all don't have the apparent gift of negotiating the mine field like you do. They expect to be cared for in a manner that is best for their health and don't have the energy or inclination to out-think the very Dr's that are supposed to have their best interests in mind. The bottom line, and the whole point of posting the 'Chemo Quotes' is to show just how bad the level of cancer care is in this country. We deserve better and shouldn't have to second guess our Dr's and oncologist every step of the way. That is the point here. Money is what dictates the care we are given and profit is the main motive rather than what is best for the patient. I'm glad you are so smart and talented that you were able to make your way through this evil mine field, but not everyone is. My 76 y/o mom had laid all her trust in her Dr's and care givers. For that she paid with her life, after they had drained all that her insur. would pay and her entire life savings. She died a horrible and ugly death from what all their super expensive and toxic drugs did to her. > > Loretta, > > The quotes represent statistics of the average conventional, > MD-trusting, medicine consumer. I think that there are few, if any, > such people on this list. The statistics also represent largely > dated chemo and radiation therapies that utilized a blunderbuss > approach to cancer. Sadly, this still seems to be the " standard of care. " > > There are better modern conventional solutions. These center around > much better targeting with both chemo and radiation. All are > expensive and a true cure is the great exception, but when used with > methods to side step unwanted effects and reinstate immune function, > these can be life saving. If one does not have the money or the > insurance for the monoclonal antibodies, the proton beams, etc., > there are many alternative options and some can be just as aggressive > as the cancer. Again the consumer has to sort his/her way through > much marketing and indoctrination. > > Part of the problem is the interaction with conventional > oncologists. To adequately look after yourself it mean constant > confrontation. In my case it meant being charming, tactful, treating > him like an expert, asking rather than telling, and because I was not > willing to do anything he recommended I constantly complemented him > on his great cleverness at using morphine to kill my pain. I could > say this with a straight face because the morphine did work. > > My trip through the mine field included an extended stay in China, > delays of treatment while I researched my options, ultimately chemo, > radiation, PDT, and some common easily obtainable vitamins (e.g. vit > E succinate) and a few alternatives that I made myself as this is > what I do. Once I had everything sorted out there were no side > effects and now, within only two months, my health is as good as it > has ever been. It is hard to believe as only three months ago I was > truly half dead from the metastatic rectal cancer. So far I have > been able to avoid exenteration. The surgeon is still circling me > with plans to hang bags on me to replace bladder and colon. They > just can't believe that I am going through an internal reconstruction > -- thanks to working with nature rather than against it. At this > point my worst fear is that I have been too aggressive at fighting > the cancer and I can ulcerate inside, so I try to find a balance. > > Loretta, I think there are many on this list who have found their own > route through this maze and sidestepped the statistics. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Nothing will change in the foreseeable future because not only do most people have little information they would need, even those that do have confrontation on their mind. No doctor is going to take hostility so it is worth their losing a patient than have a war each time they have a consult. In the past I myself have written about 'needing' a good diagnostician and someone willing (patient) enough, to work with us. I never miss an opportunity to complement my Urologist while laughingly asking him to be patient with me. My wife just got over a UTI (Urinary tract Infection) without the prescription antibiotic and we don't intend to 'rub it in his nose' to prove a point. I did ask for a script just in case the weekend arrived and things went south. In the meanwhile he gets paid and I don't create ill-will or attack his prestige. If they learn you are well informed they will respect you and more readily accept your 'kookyness'. Joe C. From: kahoona Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Chemotherapy Quotes , you wrote: ------------------- " Part of the problem is the interaction with conventional oncologists. To adequately look after yourself it mean constant confrontation. In my case it meant being charming, tactful, treating him like an expert, asking rather than telling, and because I was not willing to do anything he recommended " ------------------- The problem is that most cancer patients are too sick, tired and worn out from all the stress of dealing with this disease. They all don't have the apparent gift of negotiating the mine field like you do. They expect to be cared for in a manner that is best for their health and don't have the energy or inclination to out-think the very Dr's that are supposed to have their best interests in mind. The bottom line, and the whole point of posting the 'Chemo Quotes' is to show just how bad the level of cancer care is in this country. We deserve better and shouldn't have to second guess our Dr's and oncologist every step of the way. That is the point here. Money is what dictates the care we are given and profit is the main motive rather than what is best for the patient. I'm glad you are so smart and talented that you were able to make your way through this evil mine field, but not everyone is. My 76 y/o mom had laid all her trust in her Dr's and care givers. For that she paid with her life, after they had drained all that her insur. would pay and her entire life savings. She died a horrible and ugly death from what all their super expensive and toxic drugs did to her. > > Loretta, > > The quotes represent statistics of the average conventional, > MD-trusting, medicine consumer. I think that there are few, if any, > such people on this list. The statistics also represent largely > dated chemo and radiation therapies that utilized a blunderbuss > approach to cancer. Sadly, this still seems to be the " standard of care. " > > There are better modern conventional solutions. These center around > much better targeting with both chemo and radiation. All are > expensive and a true cure is the great exception, but when used with > methods to side step unwanted effects and reinstate immune function, > these can be life saving. If one does not have the money or the > insurance for the monoclonal antibodies, the proton beams, etc., > there are many alternative options and some can be just as aggressive > as the cancer. Again the consumer has to sort his/her way through > much marketing and indoctrination. > > Part of the problem is the interaction with conventional > oncologists. To adequately look after yourself it mean constant > confrontation. In my case it meant being charming, tactful, treating > him like an expert, asking rather than telling, and because I was not > willing to do anything he recommended I constantly complemented him > on his great cleverness at using morphine to kill my pain. I could > say this with a straight face because the morphine did work. > > My trip through the mine field included an extended stay in China, > delays of treatment while I researched my options, ultimately chemo, > radiation, PDT, and some common easily obtainable vitamins (e.g. vit > E succinate) and a few alternatives that I made myself as this is > what I do. Once I had everything sorted out there were no side > effects and now, within only two months, my health is as good as it > has ever been. It is hard to believe as only three months ago I was > truly half dead from the metastatic rectal cancer. So far I have > been able to avoid exenteration. The surgeon is still circling me > with plans to hang bags on me to replace bladder and colon. They > just can't believe that I am going through an internal reconstruction > -- thanks to working with nature rather than against it. At this > point my worst fear is that I have been too aggressive at fighting > the cancer and I can ulcerate inside, so I try to find a balance. > > Loretta, I think there are many on this list who have found their own > route through this maze and sidestepped the statistics. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 My husbands oncologist probably thinks we are quirks with all the research we have presented him in regards to chemotherapy and its terrible effects. We tell him about our lifeatle changes that include juicing a 85 raw diet no refined sugar no dairy no meat actually total vegan diet with supplements etc. We ar new to this diagnosed about 8 weeks ago stage 3 colon cancer due to low differientiation in 1 lymph node. After round of oxiliplatin and 1 dose of xeloda we found him in er. Luckily nothing threatening but he felt as if he were dying. In last 8 weeks right colon removed. We also know he is hnpcc positive with a mutation on first gene. We have researched for many hours read and began a regimen described above and in the book cancer free. We are only beginning but are not we ultimately after god our saviour in charge of our health and body Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® From: " JoeCastron " Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Chemotherapy Quotes Nothing will change in the foreseeable future because not only do most people have little information they would need, even those that do have confrontation on their mind. No doctor is going to take hostility so it is worth their losing a patient than have a war each time they have a consult. In the past I myself have written about 'needing' a good diagnostician and someone willing (patient) enough, to work with us. I never miss an opportunity to complement my Urologist while laughingly asking him to be patient with me. My wife just got over a UTI (Urinary tract Infection) without the prescription antibiotic and we don't intend to 'rub it in his nose' to prove a point. I did ask for a script just in case the weekend arrived and things went south. In the meanwhile he gets paid and I don't create ill-will or attack his prestige. If they learn you are well informed they will respect you and more readily accept your 'kookyness'. Joe C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 After refusing a well-meaning surgeon who tried to rush me into a mastectomy, I saw a wonderful chemo oncologist who referred me to two different reiki energy healers. One of them www.christophercenter.org had cured herself of the same kind of breast cancer I have, and he was very impressed. After working with her, so am I. Every session has reached my core. I told the oncologist my background of long-term childhood abuse which often targeted that area of my breast, and other injuries to it. I told him about immense amounts of body work and emotional healing I'd done following the abuse. And that there were some issues I hadn't been able to resolve. And that I felt in my bones that the cancer was here to help me have the courage to address those blocks. He told me that 'cases like your's respond very well to energy type healing', and 'chemo is the least of our worries'. In the chart notes that my primary care doctor received, he (for his own protection I guess) wrote the standard medical prescription - mastectomy. On the other side of the coin, during the last two years I watched my mother, an 80 year old avid hiker, die of lymphoma. Every time her body tried to cleanse, she'd call the oncology nurse and get another drug. She told me she didn't have the energy to understand alternative treatment, and just wanted to trust the doctor. Joyce >kahoona wrote: > .... The problem is that most cancer patients are too sick, tired and worn out from all the stress of dealing with this disease. They all don't have the apparent gift of negotiating the mine field like you do. > They expect to be cared for in a manner that is best for their health and don't have the energy or inclination to out-think the very Dr's that are supposed to have their best interests in mind. > > The bottom line, and the whole point of posting the 'Chemo Quotes' is > to show just how bad the level of cancer care is in this country. We deserve better and shouldn't have to second guess our Dr's and oncologist every step of the way. That is the point here. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Could you please tell us what kind of chemo and raditation you were able to do without side affects? I appreciate all of your detailed information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Yes, and these statistics are what people who are researching cancer treatment alternatives (thus those coming to this list) need to know. Many that come to this list (because of conventional treatment woes) would say those quotes are exactly what they found to be true and probably, in a strange way, find them to be affirmation of something they thought could/would never happen with conventional medicine. I think there are a lot of people on this list that are in the " researching " mode. The standard of care mentioned in the quotes is still " the " standard of care. My onc told me in 2000 that in ten years (2010) we would think that the recommended cancer protocal used in 2000 was barbaric. However, I don't see much difference at all and the treatments are still barbaric. I do wish I could see " better, modern conventional solutions " successfully being played out with average people, but I don't. I think they like to term so-called new protocols as " better, modern, cutting edge " ; however they end up being the same old thing in a different package and, more importantly, with no better results. Chemo is still chemo and radiation is still radiation. I see the victims of an industry that continues to make people think they can get well and I don't mean remission, even though to most patients the word " remission " means cure. The targeted chemo doesn't work as well as we are told and it still can have terrible effects on the body -- both present and future....but they don't really talk about the future because they don't believe that a cancer patient will have a future. I know what it means to interact with an oncologist. My oncologist was very mild-tempered with his patients (but fairly hot-tempered with his staff) and why shouldn't he be when the chemo-room had 10-12 chairs for 10-12 different people to sit (every hour) and relax while doing a 40 minute to 1 hour chemo session. At about $5000/person (I'm sure it's more now) that's a lot of money to make in one hour/day especially taking into consideration that it allows the doctor to continue to see more patients. When I told my oncologist that I would be doing alternative methods, he alluded to the " fact " that I would most likely be back. I certainly understand that cancer patients may need conventional medicine at some point such as to slow down tumor growth, surgery, etc. I am not anti conventional medicine but I am anti about making people believe in something that gets dismal results. I see no reason to tip-toe around doctors, oncologists, etc. They are professionals and are in the patient's employ, not the other way around. They are not gods and we should not have to walk on ice around them fearing that they may fire us as a patient. This white-coat ego is what happens when they are marketed (yes, marketed) as having the only " scientific " means in which to get well. They very much understand that people are looking elsewhere for answers which is why MD now must advertise for patients (wasn't so 30 years ago) by trying to make cancer treatment seem like a walk in the park. In fact, 30 years ago, a patient's doctor had to know someone at MDA before the patient could even get an appointment. Conventional medicine's mantra is always " something new and promising, BUT, it will take ten years to develop. " Now the philosophy has changed to " let's help patients 'manage' their cancer. " This is the same philosophy for most all diseases. No cure....just manage and, of course, take this bag of pills (so Big Pharma can still get paid) for the rest of your life. Don't clean up your diet (Big Food), take your meds (Big Pharma), don't worry about your environment (Big Chemical) and come see me every six months (Big Med). Isn't that convenient? When all along we have the knowledge to take responsibility for our own health -- knowledge that supports the body and helps it to heal. Yes, I said " heal. " It took me approx 7 months in 2000 to get well from stage III colon cancer using natural methods. The only conventional medicine was surgery to get the tumor out and one hellacious month of chemo (ended up in hospital) of which I went from no meds to over 7 bottles of pills just to manage the side effects. The entire treatment scene felt so oppressive to me. The last tie to conventional medicine was my " port. " Once it was out, I felt free! After I began alternative treatment, I had to continually argue with my conventional doctor about scheduling abdominal MRIs. He planted one foot down and said it was useless and wouldn't tell him anything. I knew it was not " useless " because I had already done several.....got a phone-message apology from my doc when the radiologist said it was a viable manner to check for cancer, etc. Finally my alternative doc said don't worry about conventional anything, we will get the MRIs done. And all of my lab work was actually done at the chiropractic college. So everything was done out of the realm of conventional medicine. I think there are many on this list that were on their way to becoming a statistic but decided " wait a minute, I'm not getting better....just more surgery, meds, scans and x-rays....same old story with limited to no results. " And many are here because their onc has said there is nothing more that can be done....many are still searching and not quite sure. And yes, there are those who have found the pieces to their cancer puzzle -- I give a huge " thumbs-up " to anyone who is willing to take responsibility for their own health and well-being and especially those, like me, who decide to take that huge step outside-the-box with courage and desire to do whatever it takes to get well. Be Well Loretta RE: [ ] Chemotherapy Quotes Loretta, The quotes represent statistics of the average conventional, MD-trusting, medicine consumer. I think that there are few, if any, such people on this list. The statistics also represent largely dated chemo and radiation therapies that utilized a blunderbuss approach to cancer. Sadly, this still seems to be the " standard of care. " There are better modern conventional solutions. These center around much better targeting with both chemo and radiation. All are expensive and a true cure is the great exception, but when used with methods to side step unwanted effects and reinstate immune function, these can be life saving. If one does not have the money or the insurance for the monoclonal antibodies, the proton beams, etc., there are many alternative options and some can be just as aggressive as the cancer. Again the consumer has to sort his/her way through much marketing and indoctrination. Part of the problem is the interaction with conventional oncologists. To adequately look after yourself it mean constant confrontation. In my case it meant being charming, tactful, treating him like an expert, asking rather than telling, and because I was not willing to do anything he recommended I constantly complemented him on his great cleverness at using morphine to kill my pain. I could say this with a straight face because the morphine did work. My trip through the mine field included an extended stay in China, delays of treatment while I researched my options, ultimately chemo, radiation, PDT, and some common easily obtainable vitamins (e.g. vit E succinate) and a few alternatives that I made myself as this is what I do. Once I had everything sorted out there were no side effects and now, within only two months, my health is as good as it has ever been. It is hard to believe as only three months ago I was truly half dead from the metastatic rectal cancer. So far I have been able to avoid exenteration. The surgeon is still circling me with plans to hang bags on me to replace bladder and colon. They just can't believe that I am going through an internal reconstruction -- thanks to working with nature rather than against it. At this point my worst fear is that I have been too aggressive at fighting the cancer and I can ulcerate inside, so I try to find a balance. Loretta, I think there are many on this list who have found their own route through this maze and sidestepped the statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I couldn't have said it better, right on . At this point I wouldn't let conventional medicine touch me, their methods are barbaric and greed oriented. I also cured myself naturally and continue to research better methods. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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