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" Hormonal levels determined through blood tests may detect low testosterone

levels and high levels of gonadotropins (pituitary hormones FSH and LH). "

Cited from website: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000395.htm

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Hello Brad and others.

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There are a couple of ways to conclude. I don't conclude what you do and the

mentioned above.

Key word being pituitary and not testicular.

Normal levels of FSH and LH conclude normal functioning testicules. Are we

together on that?

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" What Causes Male Hypogonadism?

Male Hypogonadism is caused by either an abnormality of the testicles or a

defect in the brain or pituitary gland " .

Cited from website: http://www.mamashealth.com/men/hypogonadism.asp

Here is my proof. Two causes of hypogoandism that includes Testes failure or a

pituitary gland problem.

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Pituitary gland problem = high levels of LH and FSH.

(Testes can produce LH and FSH but something caused it to malfunction).

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Testiclar Failure = low levels of LH and FSH.

(The testes cannot produce due to failure. Pituitary is fine and sending the

signal, but due to failure the testes cannot recieve the signal).

If the signal cannot be received to produce LH and FSH along with T, all blood

tests will be low. After TRT is given, LH and FSH will still be abnormal....

Cause? Ill reverseable damage to the testes.

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" Excessive FSH and LH are found in hypogonadism, anorchia, gonadal failure,3

complete testicular feminization syndrome, menopause, Klinefelter syndrome,

alcoholism, castration.

FSH and LH are pituitary products, useful to distinguish primary gonadal failure

from secondary (hypothalamic/pituitary) causes of gonadal failure, menstrual

disturbances and amenorrhea.

Useful in defining menstrual cycle phases in infertility evaluation of women and

testicular dysfunction in men. FSH is commonly used with LH, which also is a

gonadotropin. Both are low in pituitary or hypothalamic failure. FSH and LH

levels are high following menopause " .

Cited from website:

http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/ri004500.htm

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The above also mentions a pituitary problem and not a testicular one.

If there isn't a pituitary problem, but the testes have failed, how can the

testes read high levels of gonadotropins?

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What is Testicular Failure?

It is the inability of testicles to produce sperm or male hormones. It is an

uncommon condition.

Men who had an undescended testicle at birth are at higher risk of developing

testicular failure.

Symptoms of Testicular Failure?

The most common symptoms are:

infertility

lack of sex drive

delay of puberty

development of prominent breast tissue

What Causes Testicular Failure?

The most common causes are:

Chromosome abnormalities present before birth

Problems involving sexual maturation

Damage to normally developed testicles due to disease, drugs or injury

Testicular torsion

How serious is Testicular Failure?

It isn't life threatening. However, it can produce infertility, lack of sex

drive or delayed sexual maturation.

Can Testicular Failure be Treated?

Male hormones can help restore normal sex drive or continue normal sexual

development. However, many forms of testicular failure are irreversible, and

fertility and/or libido may not be restored.

Cited from website: http://www.mamashealth.com/men/testfail.asp/

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normal level of lh and fsh still show you could have

hypogonadism secodnary but primary both will be high

,secionadrry low or normal.

but also of course its how symptoms are and not just

blood work

i have seen on here alone guys with normal total t and

i mean really normal in top two thirds and then there

free t has been way too low.

i still beleive its too hard not only in uk but usa to

get everyone taking the issue seriously men should be

demanding and getting in both usa and uk full hormonal

check ups not just the low t/fsh/lh but all incluidng

the female hormonse.

some guys get these in one place as standard then

another place only offer the basics,and some dont

offer even the basics ,each time a guy thinks

something is wrong with there sex hormones a full

chekc of all should be done.

those full tests as standard seem only to be done by a

few in USA and even less in UK.

with knowledge now of menopause much more than it was

30 yrs ago,andropause/hypogonadism should be dealt

with in same way

women get as standard not only the female hormones

checked but also testosterone,so why is it i said to a

nurse and doc i want my estradoil checked ,the nurse

laghed and said " thats a female hormone nothing to do

with men "

i means what rubbish even my limited knowledge knowws

we all have both male and female hormones in differant

quantities and if any are out of balance too much or

too little then male or female we will have problems.

menopause checks and treatment have thankfully for

alls sakes got a lot better anyting from HRT to

counseliing/hollistic and natural help,top phycosexual

help is now out there and availbe in uk and usa,in uk

a woman would not stand for the treatment us guys

get,but we males get seciond class treatemnt in uk

especially.

virtually all that is offered to females and there

hormone issues can be offered to males,just of course

a differant way of thinking and balancing of hormonse

for males.

so maybe in future this will happen,i am sure NHS do

have some knowldegable but even if they do they are

held back by NHS national guidelines so an endo may

know something and want to do something but if NHS

says no not worth it too expensive etc then it cant be

done

rehgards paul

--- ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote:

> " Hormonal levels determined through blood tests may

> detect low testosterone levels and high levels of

> gonadotropins (pituitary hormones FSH and LH). "

>

> Cited from website:

>

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000395.htm

>

=======================================================

> Hello Brad and others.

>

=======================================================

>

> There are a couple of ways to conclude. I don't

> conclude what you do and the mentioned above.

>

> Key word being pituitary and not testicular.

>

> Normal levels of FSH and LH conclude normal

> functioning testicules. Are we together on that?

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

---------------------

> " What Causes Male Hypogonadism?

> Male Hypogonadism is caused by either an

> abnormality of the testicles or a defect in the

> brain or pituitary gland " .

> Cited from website:

> http://www.mamashealth.com/men/hypogonadism.asp

>

> Here is my proof. Two causes of hypogoandism that

> includes Testes failure or a pituitary gland

> problem.

> ========================================

>

> Pituitary gland problem = high levels of LH and FSH.

> (Testes can produce LH and FSH but something caused

> it to malfunction).

> ==========================================

>

> Testiclar Failure = low levels of LH and FSH.

>

> (The testes cannot produce due to failure. Pituitary

> is fine and sending the signal, but due to failure

> the testes cannot recieve the signal).

> If the signal cannot be received to produce LH and

> FSH along with T, all blood tests will be low. After

> TRT is given, LH and FSH will still be abnormal....

> Cause? Ill reverseable damage to the testes.

>

> ==========================================

>

>

> " Excessive FSH and LH are found in hypogonadism,

> anorchia, gonadal failure,3 complete testicular

> feminization syndrome, menopause, Klinefelter

> syndrome, alcoholism, castration.

>

> FSH and LH are pituitary products, useful to

> distinguish primary gonadal failure from secondary

> (hypothalamic/pituitary) causes of gonadal failure,

> menstrual disturbances and amenorrhea.

>

> Useful in defining menstrual cycle phases in

> infertility evaluation of women and testicular

> dysfunction in men. FSH is commonly used with LH,

> which also is a gonadotropin. Both are low in

> pituitary or hypothalamic failure. FSH and LH levels

> are high following menopause " .

> Cited from website:

>

http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/ri004500.htm

> ==================================================

>

> The above also mentions a pituitary problem and not

> a testicular one.

>

> If there isn't a pituitary problem, but the testes

> have failed, how can the testes read high levels of

> gonadotropins?

>

>

=====================================================

> What is Testicular Failure?

> It is the inability of testicles to produce sperm

> or male hormones. It is an uncommon condition.

> Men who had an undescended testicle at birth are at

> higher risk of developing testicular failure.

> Symptoms of Testicular Failure?

> The most common symptoms are:

>

> infertility

> lack of sex drive

> delay of puberty

> development of prominent breast tissue

>

> What Causes Testicular Failure?

> The most common causes are:

>

> Chromosome abnormalities present before birth

> Problems involving sexual maturation

> Damage to normally developed testicles due to

> disease, drugs or injury

> Testicular torsion

> How serious is Testicular Failure?

> It isn't life threatening. However, it can produce

> infertility, lack of sex drive or delayed sexual

> maturation.

> Can Testicular Failure be Treated?

> Male hormones can help restore normal sex drive or

> continue normal sexual development. However, many

> forms of testicular failure are irreversible, and

> fertility and/or libido may not be restored.

>

> Cited from website:

> http://www.mamashealth.com/men/testfail.asp/

>

>

>

>

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