Re: MS & N-Acetylglucosamine LDN & N-Acetylglucosamine working for me

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this info!

Which glucosomine do you take? Do you take anything else besides the

Mb12 and LDN and Glucosomine?

Take care, ette

[low dose naltrexone] MS & N-Acetylglucosamine LDN &

N-Acetylglucosamine working for me

Just thought some of you may be interested in this. I read

about

this in several places before I discovered the LDN. I have been

taking a combination of high doses os N-Actylglucosamine (Ultimate

Glucosamine) with LDN for about 6 weeks now and have notcied a

remarkaable improvement in endurance, fatigue and spasticity. I also

am taking M-B12 injections, but, really began to notice a difference

when I added the glucosamine to the regime. All glucosamine is not

created equally, so do your research. I find it interesting that a

certain set of diseases; i.e. MS, Crohn, RA, Diabetes all seem to be

affected by similar interventions and all seem to have as there root

genesis inflamatory processes. I have been doing so much reserch and

am beginning to see a pattern which gives me hope for some reversal.

This is just an FYI in case anyone is interested in pursuing their

own re

search. 2 inhibition also seems to have an impact on the

same set of diseases, however, typical synthetic -2 inhibitors

bring with them their own set of problems, but, aspirin was the

original -2 inhibitor and I have also added 1 a day to my regime.

In studies on mice, Dr. Demetriou and colleagues with the UC

Irvine Center for Immunology found that N-acetylglucosamine (GlcNAc),

which is similar but more effective than the widely available

glucosamine, inhibited the growth and function of abnormal T-cells

that incorrectly direct the immune system to attack specific tissues

in the body, such as brain myelin in MS and insulin-producing cells

of the pancreas in diabetes.

Just another little tidbit from another source:

inhibit the COX-2 enzyme. Those herbs include green tea, ginger,

turmeric, holy basil, chamomile, Chinese goldthread, barberry, Baikal

skullcap, Hu zhang (Japanese knotweed), rosemary, hops, feverfew, and

oregano. A blend of the appropriate extracts of those herbs, if

sufficiently concentrated, may offer substantial relief from

the " fires " of COX-2 inflammation, without the known and unknown side

effects of synthetic drug inhibition. And the even better news is

that when these herbs inhibit the COX-2 enzyme, many of them also

powerfully inhibit platelet aggregation (thus helping to prevent

strokes and heart attacks) and heal ulcers. This is=2

0the genius of

nature,

[Guest guest]

Hi all. Several have asked so FYI, I take " Ultimate Glucosamine "

just google it that way. I get it from a pharmacy in Canada, and

yes, it is different and purer than conventionally purchased

glucosamine. If you re allergic to shellfish you may want to consult

with a MD before starting. Cost $29 a tub. If you buy several they

will give you a 10% discount. The M-B12 is a presciption from Dr.

McCandless and comes from Coastal compounded. The aspirin is just

regular 81 mg. aspirin. I use the LDN cream from Skips about to go

from 3 to 4.5mg. There are other supplements that I would like to

add but I want to gradually add things and also want some testing

done before new protocols and finances are a huge issue right now. I

would like to eventually also follow the Vandy protocol with ABX to

tx CP but I first want to be tested for Cp as well as Lyymes. As I

see it, several causative factors can combine to create symptoms

lumped under the DX MS, but, what is MS? No one seems to know and

there are some variations in symptoms person to person. I think that

the first, best things that anyone afflicted can do is to tx with

known tx's to arrest progression then continue to explore. At least

that is my philosophy. I really don't care whether I have MS, Lymes,

or CP, I care about understaanding the mechanisms at play and finding

appropriate tx with a threefold approach;

1. Symptom abatement

2. Arresting disease progression

3. Rehabilitating nerves and encouraging myelin growth.

I am not scientifically inclined or educated but I am logical and

intuitive and that is my approaach my own logic and intuition in

combination with other whose knowledge and research (MD's,

researchers) has been established. I believe that it is my

responsibility to be as pro-active as possible and to do my homework

then it is also my responsibility to find a way to be heard by and

communicate effectively with those on the cutting edge and who have

more of a background than I. Hope this helps.

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> Thank you for this info!

> Which glucosomine do you take? Do you take anything else besides

the

> Mb12 and LDN and Glucosomine?

> Take care, ette

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> Just thought some of you may be interested in this. I

read

> about

>

> this in several places before I discovered the LDN. I have been

>

> taking a combination of high doses os N-Actylglucosamine (Ultimate

>

> Glucosamine) with LDN for about 6 weeks now and have notcied a

>

> remarkaable improvement in endurance, fatigue and spasticity. I

also

>

> am taking M-B12 injections, but, really began to notice a difference

>

> when I added the glucosamine to the regime. All glucosamine is not

>

> created equally, so do your research. I find it interesting that a

>

> certain set of diseases; i.e. MS, Crohn, RA, Diabetes all seem to be

>

> affected by similar interventions and all seem to have as there root

>

> genesis inflamatory processes. I have been doing so much reserch

and

>

> am beginning to see a pattern which gives me hope for some reversal.

>

> This is just an FYI in case anyone is interested in pursuing their

>

> own re

> search. 2 inhibition also seems to have an impact on the

>

> same set of diseases, however, typical synthetic -2 inhibitors

>

> bring with them their own set of problems, but, aspirin was the

>

> original -2 inhibitor and I have also added 1 a day to my regime.

>

>

>

> In studies on mice, Dr. Demetriou and colleagues with the UC

>

> Irvine Center for Immunology found that N-acetylglucosamine

(GlcNAc),

>

> which is similar but more effective than the widely available

>

> glucosamine, inhibited the growth and function of abnormal T-cells

>

> that incorrectly direct the immune system to attack specific tissues

>

> in the body, such as brain myelin in MS and insulin-producing cells

>

> of the pancreas in diabetes.

>

>

>

> Just another little tidbit from another source:

>

>

>

> inhibit the COX-2 enzyme. Those herbs include green tea, ginger,

>

> turmeric, holy basil, chamomile, Chinese goldthread, barberry,

Baikal

>

> skullcap, Hu zhang (Japanese knotweed), rosemary, hops, feverfew,

and

>

> oregano. A blend of the appropriate extracts of those herbs, if

>

> sufficiently concentrated, may offer substantial relief from

>

> the " fires " of COX-2 inflammation, without the known and unknown

side

>

> effects of synthetic drug inhibition. And the even better news is

>

> that when these herbs inhibit the COX-2 enzyme, many of them also

>

> powerfully inhibit platelet aggregation (thus helping to prevent

>

> strokes and heart attacks) and heal ulcers. This is=2

> 0the genius of

>

> nature,

>

[Guest guest]

A word of caution is in order about N-Acetylglucosamine. The Borrelial

species that causes " Lyme " disease could not be cultured until this

substance was added to the culture medium. Apparently it helps these

organisms thrive. Happy organisms often do not provoke cytokine

" storms " as they are too busy growing. What makes people feel better

in the short term is not always good for them in the longer term.

Since some forms of MS are known to be caused by spirochete-like

bacteria I might use caution before using N-Acetylglucosamine.

best, P.B.

See:

http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

" Carbohydrates Consumed by Lyme Spirochete

An effort to determine which carbohydrates Bb consumes revealed that

the organism utilizes the monosaccharides glucose, mannose and

N-acetylglucosamine, as well as the disaccharides maltose and

chitobiose. A popular treatment for arthritis includes the

administration of chondroitin sulfate and N-acetylglucosamine. If the

arthritis is Lyme-induced, N-acetylglucosamine is contraindicated.22

(See Chart 14.) "

http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/Lyme_chart14.pdf

>

> Just thought some of you may be interested in this. I read about

> this in several places before I discovered the LDN. I have been

> taking a combination of high doses os N-Actylglucosamine (Ultimate

> Glucosamine) with LDN for about 6 weeks now and have notcied a

> remarkaable improvement in endurance, fatigue and spasticity. I also

> am taking M-B12 injections, but, really began to notice a difference

> when I added the glucosamine to the regime. All glucosamine is not

> created equally, so do your research. I find it interesting that a

> certain set of diseases; i.e. MS, Crohn, RA, Diabetes all seem to be

> affected by similar interventions and all seem to have as there root

> genesis inflamatory processes. I have been doing so much reserch and

> am beginning to see a pattern which gives me hope for some reversal.

> This is just an FYI in case anyone is interested in pursuing their

> own research. 2 inhibition also seems to have an impact on the

> same set of diseases, however, typical synthetic -2 inhibitors

> bring with them their own set of problems, but, aspirin was the

> original -2 inhibitor and I have also added 1 a day to my regime.

>

> In studies on mice, Dr. Demetriou and colleagues with the UC

> Irvine Center for Immunology found that N-acetylglucosamine (GlcNAc),

> which is similar but more effective than the widely available

> glucosamine, inhibited the growth and function of abnormal T-cells

> that incorrectly direct the immune system to attack specific tissues

> in the body, such as brain myelin in MS and insulin-producing cells

> of the pancreas in diabetes.

>

> Just another little tidbit from another source:

>

> inhibit the COX-2 enzyme. Those herbs include green tea, ginger,

> turmeric, holy basil, chamomile, Chinese goldthread, barberry, Baikal

> skullcap, Hu zhang (Japanese knotweed), rosemary, hops, feverfew, and

> oregano. A blend of the appropriate extracts of those herbs, if

> sufficiently concentrated, may offer substantial relief from

> the " fires " of COX-2 inflammation, without the known and unknown side

> effects of synthetic drug inhibition. And the even better news is

> that when these herbs inhibit the COX-2 enzyme, many of them also

> powerfully inhibit platelet aggregation (thus helping to prevent

> strokes and heart attacks) and heal ulcers. This is the genius of

> nature,

>

[Guest guest]

-that is fascinating

I bought some glucosamine to try again a couple weeks ago ( couldnt

remember why I didnt like it in past) and I just felt worse next day,

achier, bad mood kind of thing, its just a correlation could be

coincidence, any idea if it could make you feel bad that quickly if

its related to the lymes? ( i havent been tested but could have it)

-- In low dose naltrexone , " P.B. " <ursus357@...> wrote:

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> A word of caution is in order about N-Acetylglucosamine. The Borrelial

> species that causes " Lyme " disease could not be cultured until this

> substance was added to the culture medium. Apparently it helps these

> organisms thrive. Happy organisms often do not provoke cytokine

> " storms " as they are too busy growing. What makes people feel better

> in the short term is not always good for them in the longer term.

> Since some forms of MS are known to be caused by spirochete-like

> bacteria I might use caution before using N-Acetylglucosamine.

> best, P.B.

>

> See:

>

> http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

>

> " Carbohydrates Consumed by Lyme Spirochete

> An effort to determine which carbohydrates Bb consumes revealed that

> the organism utilizes the monosaccharides glucose, mannose and

> N-acetylglucosamine, as well as the disaccharides maltose and

> chitobiose. A popular treatment for arthritis includes the

> administration of chondroitin sulfate and N-acetylglucosamine. If the

> arthritis is Lyme-induced, N-acetylglucosamine is contraindicated.22

> (See Chart 14.) "

>

> http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/Lyme_chart14.pdf

>

>

>

> >

> > Just thought some of you may be interested in this. I read about

> > this in several places before I discovered the LDN. I have been

> > taking a combination of high doses os N-Actylglucosamine (Ultimate

> > Glucosamine) with LDN for about 6 weeks now and have notcied a

> > remarkaable improvement in endurance, fatigue and spasticity. I also

> > am taking M-B12 injections, but, really began to notice a difference

> > when I added the glucosamine to the regime. All glucosamine is not

> > created equally, so do your research. I find it interesting that a

> > certain set of diseases; i.e. MS, Crohn, RA, Diabetes all seem to be

> > affected by similar interventions and all seem to have as there root

> > genesis inflamatory processes. I have been doing so much reserch and

> > am beginning to see a pattern which gives me hope for some reversal.

> > This is just an FYI in case anyone is interested in pursuing their

> > own research. 2 inhibition also seems to have an impact on the

> > same set of diseases, however, typical synthetic -2 inhibitors

> > bring with them their own set of problems, but, aspirin was the

> > original -2 inhibitor and I have also added 1 a day to my regime.

> >

> > In studies on mice, Dr. Demetriou and colleagues with the UC

> > Irvine Center for Immunology found that N-acetylglucosamine (GlcNAc),

> > which is similar but more effective than the widely available

> > glucosamine, inhibited the growth and function of abnormal T-cells

> > that incorrectly direct the immune system to attack specific tissues

> > in the body, such as brain myelin in MS and insulin-producing cells

> > of the pancreas in diabetes.

> >

> > Just another little tidbit from another source:

> >

> > inhibit the COX-2 enzyme. Those herbs include green tea, ginger,

> > turmeric, holy basil, chamomile, Chinese goldthread, barberry, Baikal

> > skullcap, Hu zhang (Japanese knotweed), rosemary, hops, feverfew, and

> > oregano. A blend of the appropriate extracts of those herbs, if

> > sufficiently concentrated, may offer substantial relief from

> > the " fires " of COX-2 inflammation, without the known and unknown side

> > effects of synthetic drug inhibition. And the even better news is

> > that when these herbs inhibit the COX-2 enzyme, many of them also

> > powerfully inhibit platelet aggregation (thus helping to prevent

> > strokes and heart attacks) and heal ulcers. This is the genius of

> > nature,

> >

>