Re: Janet asked a fair question, where have I been all this time?

December 17, 2008

That Joe guy certainly is an angry SOB. I have seen a lot of that kind of stuff on the "Disaboom" site, some very pointed and not so veiled threats and general obnoxiousness. You have to wonder what they get out of it. I can't imagine it is anything from big pharma, that sort of talk does more to turn people off and does not further their purpose, unless it is a private message directed at you personally...then it becomes a real problem. The internet is a great place for the cowards like that guy to mouth off without fear of recrimination. Divergence of opinion and discourse are one thing, personal attacks are a whole new level of immaturity.

Bob C.

From: joe wouk <joseph.wouk@...>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Janet asked a fair question, where have I been all this time?low dose naltrexone Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 4:48 PM

If you go to my site and click on the "warning patientslikeme is BigPharma Country" it's all explained there.Simply put, I decided to keep my head down until I published the bookafter receiving veiled death threats from a Pharma Shill on that forum.I traced the ip of the address, figured out who had sent them andcomplained to the administration.They answered that it wasn't their problem because the post was madeat my site not theirs. I realized then that the whole board was a BigPharma operation and Diane, the woman who saved my life, traced thepeople who run it through three or four layers and sure enought, I wasright.Below is the text of the messages I received.Anyway, now that the book is out I don't have to worry any more. Thecat is out of the bag and this will be the last year that big Pharmawill rake in millions while sickening and killing patients with theirCRABS

and Tysabri.Let's all stand together and MAKE this happen.Get the book out to anyone who might be interested. Though the targetaudience is people in this newsgroup, after you read it you'll realizeit has a much wider appeal as well.I've only sold 9 copies since I put it up yesterday, but that willchange big time once it's up on Amazon and I start publicizing itEVERYWHERE.That's still 8-10 weeks away, but there's so much we can do in themeantime.Take heart people, between my book, The Promise of Naltrexone, all thestudies coming out and a decent president in office, we can and WILLdo it.My aim is to make LDN a houshold word by Christmas next year.Please help me make that happen....Cheers!Joe Fuck YOUjoeashitplace (DOT) com24.2.184.8 Submitted on 2008/07/31 at

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December 18, 2008

Gotta say Bob I support Joe 100%. LDN needs a person like this. Good

writer, passionate, enthusiastic, intelligent, willing to mix it up

with the establishment. I'll bet most here feel the same, especially

those who have been members of other health/ LDN groups and been

bashed and ridiculed after posting their experience and success with

LDN. Try calling the National Multiple Sclerosis Society for example

and ask them about LDN. If you were ill with a serious disease like

MS their answer would make you want to vomit and worse. If the

medical community and pharmaceutical companies truly wanted to help

and cure sick people why aren't they investigating LDN?!! The answer

is they can't make money! We're supposed to take their useless

poisonious medicine, wind up in wheelchairs and drop dead. Do you

know how this makes me and all the others who are ill feel? A bit

frigging angry! And because we are just the little people out here we

are we are helpless. A guy like Joe comes across as a hero to me.

Finally an LDN advocate that uses words like brass knuckles to the

mind and heart. The laid back approach doesn't work anymore.

I hope it never happens to you but should get seriously ill you'll

then understand why I feel the way I do.

Art

--

>

> That Joe guy certainly is an angry SOB. I have seen a lot of that

kind of stuff on the " Disaboom " site, some very pointed and not so

veiled threats and general obnoxiousness. You have to wonder what

they

get out of it. I can't imagine it is anything from big pharma, that

sort of talk does more to turn people off and does not further their

purpose, unless it is a private message directed at you

personally...then it becomes a real problem. The internet is a great

place for the cowards like that guy to mouth off without fear of

recrimination. Divergence of opinion and discourse are one thing,

personal attacks are a whole new level of immaturity.

> Bob C.

>

December 18, 2008

Well you may or may not be right. I didn't scroll all the way down the

post to read the obscene replies made to Joe Wouk. Real nice and

mature. Either way I still stand by what I said. There is a lot of

hostility out there against LDN and I don't think it's all from average

everyday people.

Art

Those suffering from a chronic or terminal disease have the right to be

fully informed of all their treatment options...even the unprofitable

ones. -- Cris Kerr, 'Case Health - Health Success Stories' November 2007

--

>

> I may be wrong but I think Bob meant the bum that was responding

to Joe.

>

December 18, 2008

Hello Mr Pharma shill...

Nice to meet you.

Cheers!

Joe

>

> From: joe wouk <joseph.wouk@...>

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Janet asked a fair question, where have

I been all this time?

> low dose naltrexone

> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 4:48 PM

>

> If you go to my site and click on the " warning patientslikeme is Big

> Pharma Country " it's all explained there.

>

> Simply put, I decided to keep my head down until I published the book

> after receiving veiled death threats from a Pharma Shill on that forum.

>

> I traced the ip of the address, figured out who had sent them and

> complained to the administration.

>

> They answered that it wasn't their problem because the post was made

> at my site not theirs. I realized then that the whole board was a Big

> Pharma operation and Diane, the woman who saved my life, traced the

> people who run it through three or four layers and sure enought, I was

> right.

>

> Below is the text of the messages I received.

>

> Anyway, now that the book is out I don't have to worry any more. The

> cat is out of the bag and this will be the last year that big Pharma

> will rake in millions while sickening and killing patients with their

> CRABS and Tysabri.

>

> Let's all stand together and MAKE this happen.

>

> Get the book out to anyone who might be interested. Though the target

> audience is people in this newsgroup, after you read it you'll realize

> it has a much wider appeal as well.

>

> I've only sold 9 copies since I put it up yesterday, but that will

> change big time once it's up on Amazon and I start publicizing it

> EVERYWHERE.

>

> That's still 8-10 weeks away, but there's so much we can do in the

> meantime.

>

> Take heart people, between my book, The Promise of Naltrexone, all the

> studies coming out and a decent president in office, we can and WILL

> do it.

>

> My aim is to make LDN a houshold word by Christmas next year.

>

> Please help me make that happen....

>

> Cheers!

>

> Joe

>

> Fuck YOU

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> 24.2.184.8

> Submitted on 2008/07/31 at 7:19am

>

> You are so fucking ignorant. Get a life you God Damn idiot

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> Fuck YOU

> 0

> 1. " Your watch is on too tight. "

> 2 #

> Fuck YOU

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> 24.2.184.8

> Submitted on 2008/07/31 at 6:47am

>

> When will you die? The sooner the better. You are a piece of shit.

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> Fuck YOU

> 0

> Google LDN !

> 18 #

> Fuck YOU

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> 24.2.184.8

> Submitted on 2008/07/31 at 6:44am

>

> You suck you are a fucking idiot

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> Fuck YOU

> 0

>

December 18, 2008

Thanks art...

But you need not take that kind of stuff seriously.

Character assassination is how the shills work. I'll ask to have him

booted off the group...

Surprised they have the nerve to try that stuff in here....

Bye bye, shill....

:}

> >

> > That Joe guy certainly is an angry SOB. I have seen a lot of that

> kind of stuff on the " Disaboom " site, some very pointed and not so

> veiled threats and general obnoxiousness. You have to wonder what

> they

> get out of it. I can't imagine it is anything from big pharma, that

> sort of talk does more to turn people off and does not further their

> purpose, unless it is a private message directed at you

> personally...then it becomes a real problem. The internet is a great

> place for the cowards like that guy to mouth off without fear of

> recrimination. Divergence of opinion and discourse are one thing,

> personal attacks are a whole new level of immaturity.

> > Bob C.

> >

>

December 18, 2008

Rob, I thought you were attacking me... It sure seemed that way. That

is exactly the kind of treatment I got on Patients like me just for

mentioning that LDN had saved me.

You have to make yourself a little clearer, Rob. But I'm glad you're

not the shill I thought you were and I'll ask admin not to boot you.

Joe

> >

> > That Joe guy certainly is an angry SOB. I have seen a lot of that

> kind of stuff on the " Disaboom " site, some very pointed and not so

> veiled threats and general obnoxiousness. You have to wonder what

> they

> get out of it. I can't imagine it is anything from big pharma, that

> sort of talk does more to turn people off and does not further their

> purpose, unless it is a private message directed at you

> personally.. .then it becomes a real problem. The internet is a great

> place for the cowards like that guy to mouth off without fear of

> recrimination. Divergence of opinion and discourse are one thing,

> personal attacks are a whole new level of immaturity.

> > Bob C.

> >

>

December 18, 2008

Rob, I'm so sorry I called you a shill....

Please understand, I've gotten attacked with almost those exact kind

of words on every forum I've ever tried to tell about LDN.

They really DO have paid operatives pretending to be patients planted

in all the forums.

If I had billions of dollars at stake and no ethics, I'd do that in a

heartbeat, wouldn't you?

What surprised me was that they would try it here. But they didn't.

I misunderstood and misjudged you.

Please forgive me. And you're completely right about the veild death

threat filth monger. I had just forgotten he was also called " joe " .

Thanks for buying the book. I promise you you won't regret it.

I can't wait till I get some reviews!!

Joe

> >

> > That Joe guy certainly is an angry SOB. I have seen a lot of that

> kind of stuff on the " Disaboom " site, some very pointed and not so

> veiled threats and general obnoxiousness. You have to wonder what

> they

> get out of it. I can't imagine it is anything from big pharma, that

> sort of talk does more to turn people off and does not further their

> purpose, unless it is a private message directed at you

> personally.. .then it becomes a real problem. The internet is a great

> place for the cowards like that guy to mouth off without fear of

> recrimination. Divergence of opinion and discourse are one thing,

> personal attacks are a whole new level of immaturity.

> > Bob C.

> >

>

December 18, 2008

The profanities matched with the ISP addresses is just like the LDN

posts on the Patients Like Me board. It's odd to see such similar

posts and similar vocabulary between different posts on different chat

groups.

I do tend to agree that the CRABS can make people worse. For me, at

least the LDN did nothing bad (or good). It was an improvement over

the Rebif for me!

>

> From: joe wouk <joseph.wouk@...>

> Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Janet asked a fair question, where have

I been all this time?

> low dose naltrexone

> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 4:48 PM

>

> If you go to my site and click on the " warning patientslikeme is Big

> Pharma Country " it's all explained there.

>

> Simply put, I decided to keep my head down until I published the book

> after receiving veiled death threats from a Pharma Shill on that forum.

>

> I traced the ip of the address, figured out who had sent them and

> complained to the administration.

>

> They answered that it wasn't their problem because the post was made

> at my site not theirs. I realized then that the whole board was a Big

> Pharma operation and Diane, the woman who saved my life, traced the

> people who run it through three or four layers and sure enought, I was

> right.

>

> Below is the text of the messages I received.

>

> Anyway, now that the book is out I don't have to worry any more. The

> cat is out of the bag and this will be the last year that big Pharma

> will rake in millions while sickening and killing patients with their

> CRABS and Tysabri.

>

> Let's all stand together and MAKE this happen.

>

> Get the book out to anyone who might be interested. Though the target

> audience is people in this newsgroup, after you read it you'll realize

> it has a much wider appeal as well.

>

> I've only sold 9 copies since I put it up yesterday, but that will

> change big time once it's up on Amazon and I start publicizing it

> EVERYWHERE.

>

> That's still 8-10 weeks away, but there's so much we can do in the

> meantime.

>

> Take heart people, between my book, The Promise of Naltrexone, all the

> studies coming out and a decent president in office, we can and WILL

> do it.

>

> My aim is to make LDN a houshold word by Christmas next year.

>

> Please help me make that happen....

>

> Cheers!

>

> Joe

>

> Fuck YOU

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> 24.2.184.8

> Submitted on 2008/07/31 at 7:19am

>

> You are so fucking ignorant. Get a life you God Damn idiot

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> Fuck YOU

> 0

> 1. " Your watch is on too tight. "

> 2 #

> Fuck YOU

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> 24.2.184.8

> Submitted on 2008/07/31 at 6:47am

>

> When will you die? The sooner the better. You are a piece of shit.

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> Fuck YOU

> 0

> Google LDN !

> 18 #

> Fuck YOU

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> 24.2.184.8

> Submitted on 2008/07/31 at 6:44am

>

> You suck you are a fucking idiot

> joeashitplace (DOT) com

> Fuck YOU

> 0

>

December 18, 2008

Joe,

Bob C. is a good and fair guy and on our side. I became confused

which " Joe " he was referring to by not reading the entire post. He

was speaking of the Joe who cursed you out and wished you dead. Bob

C. paid you a compliment. Reread the thread.

Art

--

>

> Thanks art...

>

> But you need not take that kind of stuff seriously.

>

> Character assassination is how the shills work. I'll ask to have

him

> booted off the group...

>

> Surprised they have the nerve to try that stuff in here....

>

> Bye bye, shill....

>

> :}

December 18, 2008

I did. I realized the mistake both of us had made and apologized to

him and thanked him. Didn't you see?

> >

> > Thanks art...

> >

> > But you need not take that kind of stuff seriously.

> >

> > Character assassination is how the shills work. I'll ask to have

> him

> > booted off the group...

> >

> > Surprised they have the nerve to try that stuff in here....

> >

> > Bye bye, shill....

> >

> > :}

>

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