Re: Accupunture

[Guest guest]

, I haven't tried it, but I found an interesting study in which

they used some acupuncture points to help with speech. I haven't

gotten around to trying it for my son yet, but the results were

promising. Here it is, and the points they used are included:

Citation:

Hemat Allam, Nirvana Gamal Eldine, Ghada Helmy. The Journal of

Alternative and Complementary Medicine. March 1, 2008, 14(2): 109-

114. doi:10.1089/acm.2007.0508.

ABSTRACT

Background and objectives: Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder

that manifests in delays in social interaction, language used in

social communication, and symbolic or imaginative play, with an onset

prior to age 3 years. Language therapy (LT) for children with autism

is the main form of rehabilitation, because it emphasizes its major

presenting symptom (i.e., language impairment). Scalp acupuncture

(scalp AP) is a modality based on the physiologic function of

different brain areas, where different scalp zones are stimulated

with needles so as to stimulate the reflexively related nervous

tissue. This study aimed to evaluate the role of scalp AP as a

complementary modality to LT in rehabilitation of children with

autism.

Subjects and design: The study involved 20 children (divided into 2

equal groups: A and , diagnosed as autistic according to DSM IV

classification. Their ages ranged between 4 and 7 years old. All

subjects underwent LT twice weekly, aiming at stimulation of

cognitive and verbal abilities. Group B only was subjected to scalp

AP sessions—twice weekly—as a rehabilitation complementary tool

during the 9-month period of the study. The acupoints used were: Du

20, 26, GV17; three temple needles; and Yamamoto's New Scalp

Acupuncture cerebrum and aphasia points (acupuncture needles 0.3 × 30

mm). A language test was performed before and after therapy to

monitor cognition and expression (an Arabic test was included).

Results: Both groups, whose mean age range was 5.5 years ± 1.22

years, showed a significant improvement in cognitive and expressive

language skills pre- and post-therapy, which was highly significant

among group B children treated with scalp AP (attention 2.8 ± 0.8 in

group A versus 3.5 ± 0.8 in group B; receptive semantics were 7 ± 3.8

in group A versus 9.4 ± 3.1 in group . Expressive semantics

significantly improved in both groups.

Conclusions: Scalp AP is a safe complementary modality when combined

with LT and has a significantly positive effect on language

development in children with autism.

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> Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

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[Guest guest]

I had a very bad time after filling replacements. The pain, probably due

to too much numbing in one tooth (4 times the amount), in the form of

trigeminal neuralgia, lasted around 4 months. I cannot begin to describe

the agony. Nothing in my supplement arsenal worked. Some relief I found

in going vegetarian as the higher PH corresponded with less pain.

However in the end, I went to every alternative practitioner I could

find in the hope of finding some relief, even for a few hours.

Finally,accupuncture, 2 sessions on each side of the body reduced the

pain by 80% within minutes. It was a wonderful relief..

The Germans carried out a study 2 years ago on a population of 20,000

people to see if accupuncture helped with chronic pain. It was concluded

that it did. I don't have the study to hand but it was reported to me by

my primary physician there and I saw newspaper articles on it.

So there you go. It's definately worth a try. My dentist friend in

Germany is trained in this method along with many of her colleagues.

It's pretty widespread there in the medical profession. Our very

conservative school doctor in Germany was also trained in this method.

It's better than ruining your liver with painkillers.BTW, if you gointo

a german pharmacy, you see shelves of alternative therapies, mainly the

traditional type which germans have been using for over a hundred years.

I picked up a liver cleanser there recently, simply concentrated

artichoke juice.

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[Guest guest]

My son had acupuncture to help alleviate anxiety, PTSD, sensory issues.

He had just turned 5. but he's been with me or my husband while we have

had acupuncture since he was 3. It was the first thing we did with him

where we saw improvement. He only would have 2 sessions, then decided

he didn't like it anymore, and with his PTSD, I wasn't going to force

it. For myself, when I have a health issue I need help with, I go for

acupuncture and the TCM first.

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> Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

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[Guest guest]

I had a lump on my wrist for years that wouldn't go away. Calcium

deposit or something. I went for 3 treatments to the chiro. and it

was gone and never came back. Yesterday the accupunturist told me

that he would really help my daugher rid her liver of impuritites. My

only problem is getting my dd to go. Yesterday she saw the needles he

put into my foot, and she went pale! LOL.

I wonder why more people don't use this treatment with their vaccine

damaged kiddies??? or do they???

On Nov 13, 2008, at 2:31 AM, JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote:

> I had a very bad time after filling replacements. The pain,

> probably due

> to too much numbing in one tooth (4 times the amount), in the form of

> trigeminal neuralgia, lasted around 4 months. I cannot begin to

> describe

> the agony. Nothing in my supplement arsenal worked. Some relief I

> found

> in going vegetarian as the higher PH corresponded with less pain.

> However in the end, I went to every alternative practitioner I could

> find in the hope of finding some relief, even for a few hours.

> Finally,accupuncture, 2 sessions on each side of the body reduced the

> pain by 80% within minutes. It was a wonderful relief..

>

> The Germans carried out a study 2 years ago on a population of 20,000

> people to see if accupuncture helped with chronic pain. It was

> concluded

> that it did. I don't have the study to hand but it was reported to

> me by

> my primary physician there and I saw newspaper articles on it.

>

> So there you go. It's definately worth a try. My dentist friend in

> Germany is trained in this method along with many of her colleagues.

> It's pretty widespread there in the medical profession. Our very

> conservative school doctor in Germany was also trained in this method.

> It's better than ruining your liver with painkillers.BTW, if you

> gointo

> a german pharmacy, you see shelves of alternative therapies, mainly

> the

> traditional type which germans have been using for over a hundred

> years.

> I picked up a liver cleanser there recently, simply concentrated

> artichoke juice.

>

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> Arias schrieb:

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[Guest guest]

What is PTSD?

On Nov 13, 2008, at 8:30 AM, wrote:

> My son had acupuncture to help alleviate anxiety, PTSD, sensory

> issues.

> He had just turned 5. but he's been with me or my husband while we

> have

> had acupuncture since he was 3. It was the first thing we did with him

> where we saw improvement. He only would have 2 sessions, then decided

> he didn't like it anymore, and with his PTSD, I wasn't going to force

> it. For myself, when I have a health issue I need help with, I go for

> acupuncture and the TCM first.

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> > Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

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[Guest guest]

Ok dumb question I guess, does it hurt. LOL I know that sounds like

a whiney question....but need to know before I try on the kids....got

a couple who freak if they get a hangnail!!

Thanks

Ronni

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> My son had acupuncture to help alleviate anxiety, PTSD, sensory issues.

> He had just turned 5. but he's been with me or my husband while we have

> had acupuncture since he was 3. It was the first thing we did with him

> where we saw improvement. He only would have 2 sessions, then decided

> he didn't like it anymore, and with his PTSD, I wasn't going to force

> it. For myself, when I have a health issue I need help with, I go for

> acupuncture and the TCM first.

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> > Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

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[Guest guest]

There is a pinch. I don't think my 9 year old would go for it at all.

I told this to the accup. and he said he could use pressure points

instead. Not sure if it works as well.

On Nov 13, 2008, at 12:20 PM, ronnimike wrote:

> Ok dumb question I guess, does it hurt. LOL I know that sounds like

> a whiney question....but need to know before I try on the kids....got

> a couple who freak if they get a hangnail!!

>

> Thanks

> Ronni

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> > My son had acupuncture to help alleviate anxiety, PTSD, sensory

> issues.

> > He had just turned 5. but he's been with me or my husband while

> we have

> > had acupuncture since he was 3. It was the first thing we did

> with him

> > where we saw improvement. He only would have 2 sessions, then

> decided

> > he didn't like it anymore, and with his PTSD, I wasn't going to

> force

> > it. For myself, when I have a health issue I need help with, I go

> for

> > acupuncture and the TCM first.

> >

> >

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> > > Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

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[Guest guest]

I had acupuncture for morning sickness and for sciatica. It helped with morning

sickness,

but it helped dramatically with sciatica. I went in barely walking and had a

combination of

acupuncture and acupressure and it was a little bit better right after and was

virtually fixed

when I woke up the next morning. If I thought my kid would tolerate it and I

liked the

practitioner and had the money, I'd try it. Maggie

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[Guest guest]

Yes, it is quite remarkable the good results people are having with

this. Wish I discovered it long ago.

On Nov 13, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Maggie da Silva wrote:

> I had acupuncture for morning sickness and for sciatica. It helped

> with morning sickness,

> but it helped dramatically with sciatica. I went in barely walking

> and had a combination of

> acupuncture and acupressure and it was a little bit better right

> after and was virtually fixed

> when I woke up the next morning. If I thought my kid would tolerate

> it and I liked the

> practitioner and had the money, I'd try it. Maggie

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--- Arias <thinkingheads@...> wrote:

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> Yes, it is quite remarkable the good results people are having

with this. Wish I discovered it long ago.

> Maggie da Silva wrote:

> > I had acupuncture for morning sickness and for sciatica.

> > It helped with morning sickness,

> > but it helped dramatically with sciatica.

> > If I thought my kid would tolerate

There are now less-invasive & non-invasive electro-acupunture

devices, some using photonic stimulation - concentrated light beams,

rather than electric currents. Should be ok to try with the kiddos.

Bob

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> > > > Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

[Guest guest]

I had no idea. Good to know. Maggie d.

--- In , " bobmorgan108 " <bobmorgan108@...>

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> There are now less-invasive & non-invasive electro-acupunture

> devices, some using photonic stimulation - concentrated light beams,

> rather than electric currents. Should be ok to try with the kiddos.

>

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

It depends on your tolerance for pain. To be perfectly honest, some

areas are painful and others - I cannot even tell there is a needle

going in. Japanese acupuncture uses smaller needles, so it has a

tendency to be less noticeable. If I were to describe the feeling, it

is like a person " flicking " you (they use this tube like device that

flicks the needle into your body). What can be an interesting

sensation is when the move the needle in and actually " connect " to the

nerve tissues. Once they quite playing with the needles, one cannot

tell they are in. You are typically put under a heat lamp and told to

relax for 15-20 mins. This is why I cannot do this for my 7 year old.

There is no way he can sit still for that long with or without a

needle. It does work very well and many insurances cover the

procedures now.

Any child (an many adults) are going to get freaked out by needles.

It is all in the presentation.

Roe

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> Ok dumb question I guess, does it hurt. LOL I know that sounds like

> a whiney question....but need to know before I try on the kids....got

> a couple who freak if they get a hangnail!!

>

> Thanks

> Ronni

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > My son had acupuncture to help alleviate anxiety, PTSD, sensory

> > issues.

> > He had just turned 5. but he's been with me or my husband while

we

> > have

> > had acupuncture since he was 3. It was the first thing we did

with him

> > where we saw improvement. He only would have 2 sessions, then

decided

> > he didn't like it anymore, and with his PTSD, I wasn't going to

force

> > it. For myself, when I have a health issue I need help with, I go

for

> > acupuncture and the TCM first.

[Guest guest]

>

> Ok dumb question I guess, does it hurt. LOL I know that sounds like

> a whiney question....but need to know before I try on the kids....got

> a couple who freak if they get a hangnail!!

>

> Thanks

> Ronni

That is so totally NOT a dumb question!

It is also hard to answer it directly. The answer is

" usually no " , " sometimes " and " it depends " .

It can hurt, it depends a lot. It is really not about the needle

piercing skin. When it does hurt, it is because of energy and

sensitivity in that particular " point " . It can be uncomfortable in

many different ways, and it can also be entirely painless.

(Some points feel really bizarre.) If there is pain it is

usually when the needle is inserted and generally it will not

last very long.

Also, I've found that people who have not had acupunture are

often unaware that it feels GOOD, too. The needles are left

in for a while (we'll call it 10 to 40 minutes). During this

time, one may experience PLEASANT sensations. Not always.

It is more common for it to be outright pleasant if you have

not had a lot of acupunture (because the body is affected more

strongly). Can be pleasant, meditative, calming, etc.

I would really suggest you get a couple of treatments first.

Maybe your kid(s) can go with you and watch?

Moria

[Guest guest]

Was your son in the war? Hope not.

On Nov 13, 2008, at 7:53 PM, moriamerri wrote:

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> >

> > > My son had acupuncture to help alleviate anxiety, PTSD, sensory

> > > issues.

> > > He had just turned 5. but he's been with me or my husband while

> we

> > > have

> > > had acupuncture since he was 3. It was the first thing we did

> with him

> > > where we saw improvement. He only would have 2 sessions, then

> decided

> > > he didn't like it anymore, and with his PTSD, I wasn't going to

> force

> > > it. For myself, when I have a health issue I need help with, I go

> for

> > > acupuncture and the TCM first.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

PTSD, is unfortunately, post traumatic stress disorder. My son's

first diagnosis was PTSD. (now he has that ASD and OCD).

I don't talk about this often, because it destroys me to think about

it. I've been in counseling myself to deal with it - My son has

medically induced PTSD. I found out through therapy he had at age 4 -

when I knew something was wrong really wrong because he had been in

the hospital for IV's from a virus and he " checked out " . Shortly

after I realized he had medical issues, he had a flu shot - silly me:

I was trying to keep him healthy to avoid any more doctors and

hospitals - and then it wasn't long until he regressed onto the

spectrum.

Imagine my utter horror to watch him in therapy - completely

reenact " routine " hernia surgery he had at 16 months of age, in great

detail. It is believed by the various therapists we have had work

with him, that he experienced some degree of anesthesia awareness. He

had developed pretty severe sleep terrors after that, but I was told

by our (ex) family doctor that anesthesia may mess up a child's sleep

cycles and he'd outgrow it. This is the hell I live with. And people

wonder why I don't trust doctors.

autism-Mercury , Arias <thinkingheads@...>

wrote:

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> What is PTSD?

> On Nov 13, 2008, at 8:30 AM, wrote:

>

> > My son had acupuncture to help alleviate anxiety, PTSD, sensory

> > issues.

> > He had just turned 5. but he's been with me or my husband while

we

> > have

> > had acupuncture since he was 3. It was the first thing we did

with him

> > where we saw improvement. He only would have 2 sessions, then

decided

> > he didn't like it anymore, and with his PTSD, I wasn't going to

force

> > it. For myself, when I have a health issue I need help with, I go

for

> > acupuncture and the TCM first.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I never think it hurts, unless they hit an area where things are

REALLY congested - then you know it for just a second. With having

medically induced PTSD, my 5 yr old did two sessions! We called

them " sticks " instead of needles. He really felt comfortable with the

doctor who did it, though. The needles are very fine and thin. I

compare them to a firm straight hair, rather than needles.

If you think your kids won't do it, I now use Chinese acupressure

massage on my son, to stimulate the points he needs to clear

blockages. Not as good, IMO, but the TCM doc told me as long as I

learned the points (I do have a good background in anatomy), and

since I do other bodywork/energy work, that she thought I could do it

and be successful. We're seeing good results.

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> > > Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

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[Guest guest]

Oh I am so sorry. It is so hard to talk about this, I know. I

don't even know what to say! It is the worst nightmare a parent can

have. Thinking of you for sure!

On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:30 PM, wrote:

> PTSD, is unfortunately, post traumatic stress disorder. My son's

> first diagnosis was PTSD. (now he has that ASD and OCD).

>

> I don't talk about this often, because it destroys me to think about

> it. I've been in counseling myself to deal with it - My son has

> medically induced PTSD. I found out through therapy he had at age 4 -

> when I knew something was wrong really wrong because he had been in

> the hospital for IV's from a virus and he " checked out " . Shortly

> after I realized he had medical issues, he had a flu shot - silly me:

> I was trying to keep him healthy to avoid any more doctors and

> hospitals - and then it wasn't long until he regressed onto the

> spectrum.

>

> Imagine my utter horror to watch him in therapy - completely

> reenact " routine " hernia surgery he had at 16 months of age, in great

> detail. It is believed by the various therapists we have had work

> with him, that he experienced some degree of anesthesia awareness. He

> had developed pretty severe sleep terrors after that, but I was told

> by our (ex) family doctor that anesthesia may mess up a child's sleep

> cycles and he'd outgrow it. This is the hell I live with. And people

> wonder why I don't trust doctors.

>

> autism-Mercury , Arias <thinkingheads@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > What is PTSD?

> > On Nov 13, 2008, at 8:30 AM, wrote:

> >

> > > My son had acupuncture to help alleviate anxiety, PTSD, sensory

> > > issues.

> > > He had just turned 5. but he's been with me or my husband while

> we

> > > have

> > > had acupuncture since he was 3. It was the first thing we did

> with him

> > > where we saw improvement. He only would have 2 sessions, then

> decided

> > > he didn't like it anymore, and with his PTSD, I wasn't going to

> force

> > > it. For myself, when I have a health issue I need help with, I go

> for

> > > acupuncture and the TCM first.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone ever had any success with accupuncture?

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

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> Also, I've found that people who have not had acupunture are

> often unaware that it feels GOOD, too. The needles are left

> in for a while (we'll call it 10 to 40 minutes). During this

> time, one may experience PLEASANT sensations. Not always.

> It is more common for it to be outright pleasant if you have

> not had a lot of acupunture (because the body is affected more

> strongly). Can be pleasant, meditative, calming, etc.

- I also agree that acupuncture is very relaxing, calming and a great

way to help keep symptoms of mercury toxicity under control (until

you can chelate) provided that you get the help of a good

acupuncturist. The TCM herbs are not very pleasant to drink, though.

> I would really suggest you get a couple of treatments first.

> Maybe your kid(s) can go with you and watch?

>

I usually take my dd (age 8) to TCM appts with me since she was

little and let her watch. I think that helped getting her used to

the idea of getting acupuncture treatments although we only did

acupressure points and not needles on her so far. The bitter herbs

are a bit of a hard sell though but she'll take them with some juice

when needed.

Marilia

[Guest guest]

For sciatica, I had 1 treatment. Following the treatment, I immediately felt

better. The next

morning I was practically all better. (And I had been hardly able to walk.) It

was very

impressive. For morning sickness (which I got accupuncture only for) I had to

go back every

2 weeks for a long time, and it never quite got at it, but it helped. Maggie d.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. Thats great!

On Jan 29, 2009, at 8:58 AM, Maggie da Silva wrote:

> For sciatica, I had 1 treatment. Following the treatment, I

> immediately felt better. The next

> morning I was practically all better. (And I had been hardly able

> to walk.) It was very

> impressive. For morning sickness (which I got accupuncture only

> for) I had to go back every

> 2 weeks for a long time, and it never quite got at it, but it

> helped. Maggie d.

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