Re: Started DMSA and ALA 3weeks ago-need help choosing supplements

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There is a supplement file in the list files, at the end of it, it has

a list of supplements for chelation.

Compare that to what she is taking to see what she needs more of.

I do not see liver support, so I suggest milk thistle.

The spectrum complete and minerall are fine. I don't see any

probiotics. and with all that anti-yeast stuff, she needs to be on

probiotics.

I would hold out on the GSE because she is already on Nystatin and

Yeast Aid...so you are already on two antifungals with no probiotics.

I would not suggest that, nor adding gse at this time. If she were to

stop the yeast aid and nystatin at some point, then she can use the

gse instead of the other two. But not all three. And 125mg is not too

much. That is one tablet. You would start her at 1/2 tablet if and

when she did use it. The liquid tastes horrible and it harder to get

children to take..or anyone for that matter. It does make a good skin

wash though.

The tapping/touching...she needs probiotics! The touching indicates a

yeast problem there too. You are killing off all gut bacteria with

the yeast aid and nystatin and not replacing the good gut flora. So

get some probiotics.

the other symptoms might be helped with more vitamin C during

chelation and for a day or so afterwards. (again, check the list of

supplements which are dosed by weight, see what she's lacking or not

getting enough of)I know that Spectrum Complete does not have enough

on it's own of many of the vitamins.

If she can read English, send her the files from this board on

chelation. Andy's protocol, the supplement file are the basics she

would need. If she has no email, print them out and mail them to her.

>

> My client, 48lbs. 6 year and 10months old girl, just started

> chelation using DMSA(5mg) and ALA(5mg).

>

> Her mom asked me about supplements for her but I don't know too much

> about it. I would appreciate any suggestion.

>

I would need a copy of the whole hair test to tell you a lot, it can

be uploaded to the files for veiwing if you are able to scan it into

your computer or have a pdf of it. Was this test done by Doctors Data

Inc.? You would need to post reference ranges and basically the entire

test. But..just from what you posted below, her aluminum and mercury

are too high. If they are in the red..she's toxic. And the other

metals all seem to be high as well. They should be in the green, and

none of them are.

I would have to say that chelation is what she needs to continue.

> Currently, heris giving her:

>

> kirkman spectrum complete 1/2teaspoon twice a day

> kirkman Advanced Mineral Support 1capsule twice a day

> kirkman yeast aid 1/2teaspoon twice a day

> kirkman magnesium 1/2teaspoon a day

> huston trienza with every meal (she is on GFCF diet)

> oil of olegano 3 drops twice a day

> jarrows EPA/DHA balance (omega3) 1cupsule a day

> nystatin

>

> i think she needs to add zinc and vit.c and some other supplements.

>

> she just recieved gse125mg(tablet)but i felt that it is too much dose

> for her...is liquid form better??.

>

> He mom using andy's protocol doing 3days on 4 days off. DMSA+ALA 5mg

> each every 3 hours.

>

> we are seeing her daughter tapping her head and making sour face?!

> during chelation and first off day she is usually emotional.

>

> Behaviors we want to correct are:

> tapping objects endlessly

> touching private area...

>

> Her mom is doing chelation all by herself in japan where not so much

> information on chletion is not available.and I think she needs all

> the help there is to get her through this long chelation process.

>

> Please help reading Hair test result:

> Be 2.56ppb in yellow zone (very close to red zone)

> Al 20.700ppb very much in red zone

> Ni 574.90ppb in yellow zone

> As 53.89ppb in yellow zone (very close to red zone)

> Cd 8.33ppb in yellow zone

> Sn 104.68ppb

> Hg(mercury) 6646.44ppb in red zone

> Pb 300.50ppb in yellow

>

>

> I am her ABA therapist and hoping to help her get better with

> behavioral and bio-medical approach.

>

> My client was non-verbal til July 08 but after 4-6hours a week of

> behavioral therapy for 4 months. now she can answer to more than 100

> social questions and started to do spontanous manding. she can now

> write and read letters, loves singing and playing piano. i am very

> excited to see more improvements with chelation:)

>

> Before July this year, her mom did not know what to do since she kept

> hearing " your daughter will not talk and will never understand

> anything. she has only 1 1/2 year old's intelligence. " from her

> doctors. but she chose me to give her daughter the last chance....and

> with seeing a great progress past few months, she is very motivated

> to try chelation for her daughter.

>

> Please guide us...

>

> (pardon me for poor english writing...)

>

> angelssmi1e

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Thank you very much for your suggestions.

I will tell the mom to hold off gse and add milk thistle and probiotics.

I will also research which vitamins she is lacking at this moment.

The mom cannot read English so she has asked me to post this question here.

Today, my client is going to perform in her school play, " The Bremen

Town Musicians. "

For the first time in her life, she has her part! She is going to play

a rooster.

Her line is " I will do my best! " She did not talk at all 4 months

ago...I am so proud of her!

I am running out to see her first school play from now!!

Jan, I appreciate so much for your comment!

angelssmi1e

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:07 AM, Jan <mercurybabies2@...> wrote:

> There is a supplement file in the list files, at the end of it, it has

> a list of supplements for chelation.

> Compare that to what she is taking to see what she needs more of.

>

> I do not see liver support, so I suggest milk thistle.

> The spectrum complete and minerall are fine. I don't see any

> probiotics. and with all that anti-yeast stuff, she needs to be on

> probiotics.

>

> I would hold out on the GSE because she is already on Nystatin and

> Yeast Aid...so you are already on two antifungals with no probiotics.

> I would not suggest that, nor adding gse at this time. If she were to

> stop the yeast aid and nystatin at some point, then she can use the

> gse instead of the other two. But not all three. And 125mg is not too

> much. That is one tablet. You would start her at 1/2 tablet if and

> when she did use it. The liquid tastes horrible and it harder to get

> children to take..or anyone for that matter. It does make a good skin

> wash though.

>

> The tapping/touching...she needs probiotics! The touching indicates a

> yeast problem there too. You are killing off all gut bacteria with

> the yeast aid and nystatin and not replacing the good gut flora. So

> get some probiotics.

>

> the other symptoms might be helped with more vitamin C during

> chelation and for a day or so afterwards. (again, check the list of

> supplements which are dosed by weight, see what she's lacking or not

> getting enough of)I know that Spectrum Complete does not have enough

> on it's own of many of the vitamins.

>

> If she can read English, send her the files from this board on

> chelation. Andy's protocol, the supplement file are the basics she

> would need. If she has no email, print them out and mail them to her.

>

>

>>

>> My client, 48lbs. 6 year and 10months old girl, just started

>> chelation using DMSA(5mg) and ALA(5mg).

>>

>> Her mom asked me about supplements for her but I don't know too much

>> about it. I would appreciate any suggestion.

>>

> I would need a copy of the whole hair test to tell you a lot, it can

> be uploaded to the files for veiwing if you are able to scan it into

> your computer or have a pdf of it. Was this test done by Doctors Data

> Inc.? You would need to post reference ranges and basically the entire

> test. But..just from what you posted below, her aluminum and mercury

> are too high. If they are in the red..she's toxic. And the other

> metals all seem to be high as well. They should be in the green, and

> none of them are.

> I would have to say that chelation is what she needs to continue.

>

>> Currently, heris giving her:

>>

>> kirkman spectrum complete 1/2teaspoon twice a day

>> kirkman Advanced Mineral Support 1capsule twice a day

>> kirkman yeast aid 1/2teaspoon twice a day

>> kirkman magnesium 1/2teaspoon a day

>> huston trienza with every meal (she is on GFCF diet)

>> oil of olegano 3 drops twice a day

>> jarrows EPA/DHA balance (omega3) 1cupsule a day

>> nystatin

>>

>> i think she needs to add zinc and vit.c and some other supplements.

>>

>> she just recieved gse125mg(tablet)but i felt that it is too much dose

>> for her...is liquid form better??.

>>

>> He mom using andy's protocol doing 3days on 4 days off. DMSA+ALA 5mg

>> each every 3 hours.

>>

>> we are seeing her daughter tapping her head and making sour face?!

>> during chelation and first off day she is usually emotional.

>>

>> Behaviors we want to correct are:

>> tapping objects endlessly

>> touching private area...

>>

>> Her mom is doing chelation all by herself in japan where not so much

>> information on chletion is not available.and I think she needs all

>> the help there is to get her through this long chelation process.

>>

>> Please help reading Hair test result:

>> Be 2.56ppb in yellow zone (very close to red zone)

>> Al 20.700ppb very much in red zone

>> Ni 574.90ppb in yellow zone

>> As 53.89ppb in yellow zone (very close to red zone)

>> Cd 8.33ppb in yellow zone

>> Sn 104.68ppb

>> Hg(mercury) 6646.44ppb in red zone

>> Pb 300.50ppb in yellow

>>

>>

>> I am her ABA therapist and hoping to help her get better with

>> behavioral and bio-medical approach.

>>

>> My client was non-verbal til July 08 but after 4-6hours a week of

>> behavioral therapy for 4 months. now she can answer to more than 100

>> social questions and started to do spontanous manding. she can now

>> write and read letters, loves singing and playing piano. i am very

>> excited to see more improvements with chelation:)

>>

>> Before July this year, her mom did not know what to do since she kept

>> hearing " your daughter will not talk and will never understand

>> anything. she has only 1 1/2 year old's intelligence. " from her

>> doctors. but she chose me to give her daughter the last chance....and

>> with seeing a great progress past few months, she is very motivated

>> to try chelation for her daughter.

>>

>> Please guide us...

>>

>> (pardon me for poor english writing...)

>>

>> angelssmi1e

>>

>

>

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> i think she needs to add zinc and vit.c and some other supplements.

I would recommend vitamin C and selenium [depending on how much

selenium is in the mineral supp she already gives].

> she just recieved gse125mg(tablet)but i felt that it is too much dose

> for her...is liquid form better??.

Try giving 1/4 of the tablet.

> we are seeing her daughter tapping her head and making sour face?!

> during chelation and first off day she is usually emotional.

Increase the yeast protocol.

> Behaviors we want to correct are:

> tapping objects endlessly

> touching private area...

The second one was almost always yeast here.

> Before July this year, her mom did not know what to do since she kept

> hearing " your daughter will not talk and will never understand

> anything. she has only 1 1/2 year old's intelligence. " from her

> doctors. but she chose me to give her daughter the last chance....and

> with seeing a great progress past few months, she is very motivated

> to try chelation for her daughter.

I was told by two separate doctors, when my son was age 3, that he

would never talk or even acknowledge my existence. He was assessed as

developmentally age 0-3 months.

He is now 12, he talks and even reads, does simple math, loves being

with other kids and playing games, and basically acts like a normal

child of a much younger age.

Tell that mom that her child has a great chance of recovery!

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

I really appreciate your suggestion.

I just checked supplement fact list.

Spectrum complete has 250mg vit c each serving and she gets 4 serving

a day during chelation.

It contains 25mcg of selenium as well, so she gets 100mcg a day.

In addition to that, the mineral supp has 25mcg a day. she gets this

only once a day though.

How much vit.c and selenium does she need??? 1000mg a day??

I checked with the mom and found out that she has been giving

probiotic(shin-biofermin S) 3 times a day.

Active ingredients are Bifidobacterium bifidum18mg , Lactobacillus

acidophilus18mg , Enterococcus faecalis18mg each serving.

We are following dosage info on the bottle. but should we increase

dosage during chelation??

Yeast protocol??...she gets yeast aid and nystatin now and gfcf and

low sugar diet...

Do you think we should give her 1/4 GSE too?? when is the best time to

give her GSE? before bedtime??

> He is now 12, he talks and even reads, does simple math, loves being

> with other kids and playing games, and basically acts like a normal

> child of a much younger age.

> Tell that mom that her child has a great chance of recovery!

Thank your for sharing your story on recovery:)

I will tell the mom about it and keep on trying to maximize child's potential!

Today, I went to see my client perform in her school play. And she did

amazing job with her line, " I will do my best! " and also followed all

the movements and acting during the play:) This was the first time for

her parents to see their child performing with her classmate. Last

year, she could not even stay on the stage by herself.

After the play, I went to pick up my client. When she saw me, she

smiled and gave me a big hug. We went around the school to see her art

work and academic work. She seemed so happy and proud about her work.

When I told her, " You are so amazing!! " , she said " I know:P "

giggling:)

After that, we had 2.5 hours behavior therapy, she was very motivated

and wrote letter, by herself to one of my other client who just became

her pen pal, and she said " handsome " looking at his picture. With a

big success in her play, she seemed to be more confident and

motivated. She even played piano with no physical assistance for the

first time today. butterfly song, twinkle twinkle, the bee song...she

was reading the score and saying do le mi...and play with five

fingers...She was just amazing...today.

She is on her 3rd round on DMSA and ALA, has been on GFCF and taking

supplements for two months. She is getting better and better!

First day of the therapy, she mastered her name and saying " yes " . I

could not beleive that she has been non-verbal for almost 7 years, and

did not say a word until that day. she started to say, " give me "

during second session, and give me ~ during second week. She started

to answer to social questions, what's your name? etc. during third

week...

she can do simple additions, and read all hiragana letters and

numbers. Write almost all letters. loves to do origami(paper craft),

drawing... and understand 3 kinds of coins, penny, dime, and quater(in

japanese yern), and enjoys pretend shopping game....all of these in

just 4 months!!!

I beleive that she can recover and have a wonderful life. Her mom and

I always tell each other, " Let's do our best til she makes a beautiful

bride " we are serious:)

Her mom had tearly eyes all day today saying " She is a different

person. " many times.

wow, I wrote a lot..I am so excited about her progress and cannot stop

talking about her.. she love my client like my younger sister..

Dana, thank you very much for your comment...

And I want to thank members and andy for sharing information:)

angelssmi1e

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>

> > Behaviors we want to correct are:

> > tapping objects endlessly

> > touching private area...

>

>

> The second one was almost always yeast here.

>

>

Hi Dana,

It's interesting that the same happens to dd when yeast is present.

I've heard that yeast can cause a red ring around the anal area (along

with other symptoms) and when that happens it makes dd very

uncomfortable and that's a clue for trying yeast protocol (gse, biotin,

goldenseal+chaparral+pau d'arco).

Marilia

[Guest guest]

Tapping means parasites for my daughter. So does the red ring. Lots of

other things too.

>

>

> >

> > > Behaviors we want to correct are:

> > > tapping objects endlessly

> > > touching private area...

> >

> >

> > The second one was almost always yeast here.

> >

> >

> Hi Dana,

>

> It's interesting that the same happens to dd when yeast is present.

> I've heard that yeast can cause a red ring around the anal area (along

> with other symptoms) and when that happens it makes dd very

> uncomfortable and that's a clue for trying yeast protocol (gse, biotin,

> goldenseal+chaparral+pau d'arco).

>

> Marilia

>

[Guest guest]

> Dana,

> Spectrum complete has 250mg vit c each serving and she gets 4 serving

> a day during chelation.

So that would be 1000mg per day, which is minimal, in my opinion. Try

adding another 250mg per dose, see if that helps.

> It contains 25mcg of selenium as well, so she gets 100mcg a day.

> In addition to that, the mineral supp has 25mcg a day. she gets this

> only once a day though.

100mcg should be the maximum for most kids. Some older kids can go

higher. If you give too much selenium, it causes massive headache [i

know this from personal experience].

> I checked with the mom and found out that she has been giving

> probiotic(shin-biofermin S) 3 times a day.

> Active ingredients are Bifidobacterium bifidum18mg , Lactobacillus

> acidophilus18mg , Enterococcus faecalis18mg each serving.

This last one is a strep strain. If the child is prone to strep

issues, either strep throat or strep in other areas of the body, I

would not give that probiotic.

> We are following dosage info on the bottle. but should we increase

> dosage during chelation??

You can if you want, or if yeast is becoming a problem.

> Yeast protocol??...she gets yeast aid and nystatin now and gfcf and

> low sugar diet...

> Do you think we should give her 1/4 GSE too?? when is the best time to

> give her GSE? before bedtime??

Depends on if she has a yeast problem. Chelation usually increases yeast.

> Today, I went to see my client perform in her school play. And she did

> amazing job with her line, " I will do my best! " and also followed all

> the movements and acting during the play:)

Great!

> First day of the therapy, she mastered her name and saying " yes " . I

> could not beleive that she has been non-verbal for almost 7 years, and

> did not say a word until that day.

My son said his first word at age 6. Today sometimes I have to tell

him to be quiet. Congratulations!

> I beleive that she can recover and have a wonderful life. Her mom and

> I always tell each other, " Let's do our best til she makes a beautiful

> bride " we are serious:)

Continue to be serious, because it sounds like she will be fine.

Dana