RE: An observation of our 17 month old neice

[Guest guest]

I hope they've stopped vaccinating after the seizures.

A few of the things you have written would concern me too, but my son was

always happy, so I would not write that off. He's much happier now, but he

was never an unhappy child.

There's a great checklist here you should forward on:

http://www.recoveredfromautism.com/images/ASD%20warning%20signs.pdf

Mom to - 4 years old - recovering from PDD-NOS

Our recovery story: http://www.recoveringnicholas.com

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Laurie

Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:14 PM

Subject: [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos. old

and has just started to walk.

She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June. Mom

is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some possible

red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls often

while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does try

to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom says

at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common for

most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

anything.

Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

[Guest guest]

Yes, is there an early intervention program near you?  Are they going to do more

vaccinations?

 

[ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos. old

and has just started to walk.

She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June. Mom

is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some possible

red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls often

while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does try

to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom says

at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common for

most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

anything.

Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

Primer who lives in Oceansidebut is in CarlsbadUnifiedSchool District

~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is

violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.  -- Arthur

Schopenhauer

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

[Guest guest]

,

Mom is REALLY concerned of a possibility of being on the

spectrum but(my dear brother)is in denial.

We thinking of doing an acids test. I've also encouraged Mom to buy

as much gluten free food. Dad feeds junk as that is what he

prefers. It's a constant battle. We think if we get some concrete

evidence through testing that maybe Dad will come aboard with us.

What would be a good test?

Mom is also looking into chiropractic as she is concerned with

constantly falling.

If you could elaborate on WHAT are the red flags it would be

great! Thanks, Laurie

>

> Yes, is there an early intervention program near you?  Are they

going to do more vaccinations?

>  

>

>

>

>

> [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

>

>

> I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos.

old

> and has just started to walk.

> She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June.

Mom

> is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some

possible

> red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls

often

> while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

> trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does

try

> to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom

says

> at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

> describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

> waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

> One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common for

> most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

> anything.

> Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

> appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

>

>

> Primer who lives in Oceansidebut is in

CarlsbadUnifiedSchool District

> ~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-

evident.  -- Arthur Schopenhauer

> ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Also one note.....Mom does not want to vaccinate anymore but is

afraid Dad may take her in. I'll keep praying for 's

protection... as Mom has had, 2 rhogam shots during pregnancy, 2 flu

vaccines , 1 during pregnacy and 1 while nursing , also has

had all vaccines up until 15 mos plus a flu vaccine which caused 3

seizures. Thanks, Laurie

> >

> > Yes, is there an early intervention program near you?  Are they

> going to do more vaccinations?

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

> >

> >

> > I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos.

> old

> > and has just started to walk.

> > She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June.

> Mom

> > is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some

> possible

> > red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls

> often

> > while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

> > trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does

> try

> > to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom

> says

> > at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

> > describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

> > waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

> > One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common

for

> > most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

> > anything.

> > Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

> > appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

> >

> >

> > Primer who lives in Oceansidebut is in

> CarlsbadUnifiedSchool District

> > ~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed.

> Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being

self-

> evident.  -- Arthur Schopenhauer

> > ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We are now recognizing that the flu vaccine seemed to be " the tipping point " for

our son, Nick.  It was the final assault to his impaired immune system that

seemed to push him over the edge and into some of these other ASD symptoms.  My

advice would be NO MORE VACCINES for her until you figure everything out-

especially because there seems to be a link to seizures and a known vaccine.  I

know vaccines are a very personal choice and a very hot topic right now, but

there is a " herd mentality " where vaccines are concerned and in my opinion

vaccines are not appropriate OR safe for all children.  And it has taken me some

time to get to that attitude.  We are all ingrained to think that we MUST do

vaccines.  I am at the point that I would rather take my chance on the virus

especially in the case of the flu!

 

Do you know if she received a flu vaccine with Mercury?

 

I would have her evaluated by your state's early intervention program and also

see if there is a local DAN! (Defeat Autism Now!) pediatrician near you..  Both

my boys are doing biomedical intervention (even without a confirmed diagnosis-

ages 2 years 9 months old and 14 months old) and it has been extremely helpful

because they are still so young.

 

My son is 14 months old and very delayed in speech and language (approx. 6

months).  He is currently receiving SLT 4 times weekly and ABA 2 times weekly. 

My recommendation would be to get her help with language asap.  DO NOT WATCH AND

WAIT like the pediatrician's always recommends.  That is bad advice.  You will

never regret getting help too soon but MANY parents regret waiting too long to

start intensive services for their kids because by then they've fallen further

and further behind and it becomes increasingly more difficult for the child to

catch up with their age appropriate peers. 

 

I know this is not your child so you have that hurdle to over-come in bringing

up the issue.  But sooner rather than later is best for the child.  I have

brought up issues with other family members (and it does not always go over

well!!!!) but I always start by saying, " This comes from a place of love.  I am

concerned about-------------------------- because---------------------. "

 

Good luck to you and I hope she is feeling and doing better soon.

 

Alyssa, mom to Nick and Nate, both possible ASD

From: Primer <sprimer1@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:33 AM

Yes, is there an early intervention program near you?  Are they going to do more

vaccinations?

 

[ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos. old

and has just started to walk.

She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June. Mom

is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some possible

red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls often

while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does try

to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom says

at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common for

most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

anything.

Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

Primer who lives in Oceansidebut is in CarlsbadUnifiedScho ol District

~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is

violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.  -- Arthur

Schopenhauer

~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

[Guest guest]

If you find a GOOD DAN! doctor they will do many tests for the family to see if

there are biochemical things that are " off " .  My boys have a significant amount

of " off labs " and those have been documented through the DAN! testing.

 

For my boys getting them on a gluten free-casein free diet has been critical. 

For Nick, my 2 year nine month old, getting him off dairy and casein was

critical.  And for our baby, Nate, now 14 months old, getting him off gluten was

essential.  There were immediate behavior changes with both boys.  The baby had

never spontaneously laughed until we removed gluten.  A tell-tale sign of food

sensitivities and allergies is dark circles under the child's eyes.  Does she

have this?  Our baby had them and taking him off the offending foods has reduced

them significantly!  If you go to a DAN! doctor they will do IgG food

sensitivity testing.  IgG is somewhat controversial but for us it has been life

changing.  My boys are healthier and feel better on the diet.  We work with an

excellent nutritionist through our DAN! office.  I think she does phone consults

too. 

 

You are fighting an up-hill battle by the sounds and modifying the way you live

through dietary changes is a very tough thing for anyone in our fast food world

but it is a critical piece to the puzzle, I believe.  At least for my family. 

So, I think you are right in trying to get them to change her diet.  I worry

though that if the parents are not receptive, then it's not possible to do the

diet successfully.  On the GFCF diet, you have to do it 100%.  " A little dairy "

or " a little gluten " mentality won't help the child.  Once their body is

contaminated, it's null and void. 

 

It sound like the mother got way too many vaccines in pregnancy and I would

think  the child's immune system is burdened with possible heavy metals and/or

detoxification problems like my sons.  DAN! would be an excellent choice for

your family.  Unfortunately, depending on where you live, there are not always

GOOD DAN! doctors near people.  Where are you located?

 

Alyssa, mom to Nick and Nate- possible ASD

From: Laurie <lauriejenki@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: An observation of our 17 month old neice

Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:41 AM

,

Mom is REALLY concerned of a possibility of being on the

spectrum but(my dear brother)is in denial.

We thinking of doing an acids test. I've also encouraged Mom to buy

as much gluten free food. Dad feeds junk as that is what he

prefers. It's a constant battle. We think if we get some concrete

evidence through testing that maybe Dad will come aboard with us.

What would be a good test?

Mom is also looking into chiropractic as she is concerned with

constantly falling.

If you could elaborate on WHAT are the red flags it would be

great! Thanks, Laurie

>

> Yes, is there an early intervention program near you?  Are they

going to do more vaccinations?

>  

>

>

>

>

> [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

>

>

> I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos.

old

> and has just started to walk.

> She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June.

Mom

> is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some

possible

> red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls

often

> while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

> trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does

try

> to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom

says

> at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

> describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

> waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

> One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common for

> most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

> anything.

> Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

> appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

>

>

> Primer who lives in Oceansidebut is in

CarlsbadUnifiedScho ol District

> ~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed.

Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-

evident.  -- Arthur Schopenhauer

> ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't notice any dark circles under 's eyes.

They live in Redwing Mn which is 45 min. from Mpl/St..

> >

> > Yes, is there an early intervention program near you?  Are they

> going to do more vaccinations?

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

> >

> >

> > I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos.

> old

> > and has just started to walk.

> > She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June.

> Mom

> > is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some

> possible

> > red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls

> often

> > while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

> > trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does

> try

> > to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom

> says

> > at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

> > describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

> > waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

> > One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common

for

> > most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

> > anything.

> > Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

> > appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

> >

> >

> > Primer who lives in Oceansidebut is in

> CarlsbadUnifiedScho ol District

> > ~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed.

> Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being

self-

> evident.  -- Arthur Schopenhauer

> > ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think WI is the closest good DAN! doctor I have heard of in your area of the

country.  Do a search on line and see what you can come up with. 

 

Our doctor's web site is good.  Take a look.  It will give you an idea of what a

DAN! doctor does.  It's www.drohara.com

 

I know our doctor is not accepting any new patients and she is in CT... which is

too far for you.  But don't give up.  It's important someone acknowledge that

there is an issue with , if there is one.

 

Best,

Alyssa

From: Laurie <lauriejenki@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: An observation of our 17 month old neice

Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 3:19 AM

I didn't notice any dark circles under 's eyes.

They live in Redwing Mn which is 45 min. from Mpl/St..

> >

> > Yes, is there an early intervention program near you?  Are they

> going to do more vaccinations?

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

> >

> >

> > I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos.

> old

> > and has just started to walk.

> > She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June.

> Mom

> > is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some

> possible

> > red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls

> often

> > while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

> > trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does

> try

> > to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom

> says

> > at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

> > describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

> > waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

> > One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common

for

> > most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

> > anything.

> > Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

> > appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

> >

> >

> > Primer who lives in Oceansidebut is in

> CarlsbadUnifiedScho ol District

> > ~All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed.

> Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being

self-

> evident.  -- Arthur Schopenhauer

> > ~Well-behaved women seldom make history~ Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I can't say there are definite signs of autism but there are very

worrying signs of developing epilepsy. These weird movements during

sleep, often falling down when walking might be mini sezures. I would

say this should be enough reason even for Dad to stop vaccination. He

does not want to risk to bring her to epilepsy.

Galina

>

> I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos.

old

> and has just started to walk.

> She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June.

Mom

> is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some

possible

> red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls

often

> while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

> trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does

try

> to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom

says

> at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

> describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

> waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

> One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common

for

> most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

> anything.

> Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

> appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie

>

[Guest guest]

> I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos. old

> and has just started to walk.

> She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June. Mom

> is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some possible

> red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls often

> while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

> trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does try

> to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom says

> at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

> describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

> waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

At my house, all of these symptoms meant yeast overgrowth. Some of

them also were caused by other things.

Dana

[Guest guest]

A porphyrins test will tell if the baby is toxic.  Toxicity may lead to autism. 

Suggest testing.

From: <hisblueeyes@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

Date: Thursday, August 2, 2007, 12:04 AM

I hope they've stopped vaccinating after the seizures.

A few of the things you have written would concern me too, but my son was

always happy, so I would not write that off. He's much happier now, but he

was never an unhappy child.

There's a great checklist here you should forward on:

http://www.recovere dfromautism. com/images/ ASD%20warning% 20signs.pdf

Mom to - 4 years old - recovering from PDD-NOS

Our recovery story: http://www.recoveri ngnicholas. com

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Laurie

Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:14 PM

Subject: [ ] An observation of our 17 month old neice

I visited my brothers family today. His daughter is 17 mos. old

and has just started to walk.

She did experience 3 seizures since her flu vaccination in June. Mom

is concerned that she may be on the spectrum. Here are some possible

red flags that I notice during my visit....she wobbles and falls often

while walking, sticks her fingers down throat unti she gags, when

trying to talk it sounds like baby babbling (no real words), Does try

to say daddy (daeee), while in high chair she screams a lot. Mom says

at night that does some weird movements while sleeping. She

describe the movements as a backwards crawl rolling from neck to

waist. She also grinds her teeth while sleeping.

One positive note is she seems pretty happy which is not common for

most toddlers on the spectum. She also seems to eat just about

anything.

Are any of these alarming for a toddler? Any imput would be

appreciated. Sincerly, 's Aunty Laurie