Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 My son's hair test showed high level of arsenic. I would like to chelate him but I am not sure if I should use ALA or DMSA. Some say use ALA, others say DMSA. I am confused! Thanks so much. Mariko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Hi, Mariko. I didn't see the original question, but arsenic exposure could be from coal-burning power plants. Do you have one nearby? I live around Toledo, OH, and we do get a little bit from the Detroit area which is about an hour away. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:48 AM, <mortner@...> wrote: > > > > , > > Thanks. Yes, I did and his result doesn't meet counting rules and he has no > fillings. > But I cannot figure out the sources of exposure. We don't have wood chips, > treated woods etc...... welll, we go for a walk everyday to a nature trail > and the trail is covered with wood chips....??? Is that it???? We also have > lovesac... does foam contain arsenic??? > > So I guess I should use ALA... > > Thanks so much. > > Mariko > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 > > > > > , > > Thanks. Yes, I did and his result doesn't meet counting rules and he has no fillings. > But I cannot figure out the sources of exposure. We don't have wood chips, treated woods etc...... welll, we go for a walk everyday to a nature trail and the trail is covered with wood chips....??? Is that it???? We also have lovesac... does foam contain arsenic??? > > So I guess I should use ALA... > In Andy's hair test book he say's that as well as ALA, methylators may also be helpful to help clear Arsenic , b12, folic or folinic acid and tmg, although some kids can get irritable and a bit angry on these. Kenny > Thanks so much. > > Mariko > >Hi Mariko, > >First have you identified and reduced/removed sources of exposure? ALA chelates arsenic and mercury. DMSA chelates lead and chelates >mercury from body but not brain. Did you apply counting rules? It's not safe to use either if he has ANY mercury amalgam dental fillings. > > S S > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 My son has high arsenic as well. This is from www.drkaslow.com Sources of arsenic include: contaminated foods (especially seafoods), water or medications. Industrial sources are: ore smelting/refining/processing plants, galvanizing, etching and plating processes. Tailings from or river bottoms near gold mining areas (past or present) may contain arsenic. Insecticides, rodenticides and fungicides (Na-, K- arsenites, arsenates, also oxides are commercially available). Commercial arsenic products include: sodium arsenite, calcium arsenate, lead arsenate and " Paris green " (cupric acetoarsenite) a wood preservative. 70% of commercial chickens raised for meat in the U.S. are fed Roxarsone, a benzene arsenic compound, according to Science News. There is concern that this deposits in the meat that humans consume and has become a source of arsenic. The chicken is concerning, and I try to buy free range organic but I plan to research this more. We are doing IV chelation for 7 metals starting in December, highest are lead and mercury... Hope this helps, in Texas > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > Thanks. Yes, I did and his result doesn't meet counting rules and > he has no fillings. > > But I cannot figure out the sources of exposure. We don't have > wood chips, treated woods etc...... welll, we go for a walk everyday > to a nature trail and the trail is covered with wood chips....??? Is > that it???? We also have lovesac... does foam contain arsenic??? > > > > So I guess I should use ALA... > > > In Andy's hair test book he say's that as well as ALA, methylators > may also be helpful to help clear Arsenic , b12, folic or folinic > acid and tmg, although some kids can get irritable and a bit angry on > these. > > Kenny > > > Thanks so much. > > > > Mariko > > >Hi Mariko, > > >First have you identified and reduced/removed sources of exposure? > ALA chelates arsenic and mercury. DMSA chelates lead and chelates > >mercury from body but not brain. Did you apply counting rules? It's > not safe to use either if he has ANY mercury amalgam dental fillings. > > > S S > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Did you check www.danasview.net/metals for sources of exposure? Upholstered furniture, carpet, carseats, strollers, playpens, older (5+ years) treated lumber, pesticides used on cotton fields, orchards, etc... S S Re: Arsenic Posted by: " k.ozbo " k.ozbo@... k.ozbo Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:16 pm (PST) > > > > > , > > Thanks. Yes, I did and his result doesn't meet counting rules and he has no fillings. > But I cannot figure out the sources of exposure. We don't have wood chips, treated woods etc...... welll, we go for a walk everyday to a nature trail and the trail is covered with wood chips....??? Is that it???? We also have lovesac... does foam contain arsenic??? > > So I guess I should use ALA... > In Andy's hair test book he say's that as well as ALA, methylators may also be helpful to help clear Arsenic , b12, folic or folinic acid and tmg, although some kids can get irritable and a bit angry on these. Kenny ------------------------------------------------------------ Airline Tickets Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anViWVp\ CKE/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 >Also keep in mind some " untreated " timber, particulalry pine, is treated >with arsenic at the plantation to strengthen it. > >.....oh how clever we humans are......... Hi , This is truly worrisome. I wonder if you have a reference on this, as I haven't heard of it and can't find any info on the web... Thanks, > Shepard Salzer wrote: >> >> Did you check www.danasview.net/metals for sources of exposure? >> Upholstered furniture, carpet, carseats, strollers, playpens, older >> (5+ years) treated lumber, pesticides used on cotton fields, orchards, >> etc... >> S S >> >> Re: Arsenic >> Posted by: " k.ozbo " >><mailto:k.ozbo%40.co.uk>k.ozbo@... >><mailto:k.ozbo%40.co.uk> >> k.ozbo >> Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:16 pm (PST) >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , >> > >> > Thanks. Yes, I did and his result doesn't meet counting rules and >> he has no fillings. >> > But I cannot figure out the sources of exposure. We don't have >> wood chips, treated woods etc...... welll, we go for a walk everyday >> to a nature trail and the trail is covered with wood chips....??? Is >> that it???? We also have lovesac... does foam contain arsenic??? >> > >> > So I guess I should use ALA... >> > >> In Andy's hair test book he say's that as well as ALA, methylators >> may also be helpful to help clear Arsenic , b12, folic or folinic >> acid and tmg, although some kids can get irritable and a bit angry on >> these. >> >> Kenny >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Airline Tickets >> Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. >> >><http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anVi\ WVpCKE/>http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp\ 0anViWVpCKE/ >> >><<http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anV\ iWVpCKE/>http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Top\ p0anViWVpCKE/> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Golf courses, chicken, soil, probably some people's drinking water too. The drug Coumadin in fact contains arsenic. I was not able to pinpoint my son's arsenic exposure either. Just switched to purified water, and avoided as many sources as we could find. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > Thanks. Yes, I did and his result doesn't meet counting rules and > > he has no fillings. > > > But I cannot figure out the sources of exposure. We don't have > > wood chips, treated woods etc...... welll, we go for a walk everyday > > to a nature trail and the trail is covered with wood chips....??? Is > > that it???? We also have lovesac... does foam contain arsenic??? > > > > > > So I guess I should use ALA... > > > > > In Andy's hair test book he say's that as well as ALA, methylators > > may also be helpful to help clear Arsenic , b12, folic or folinic > > acid and tmg, although some kids can get irritable and a bit angry on > > these. > > > > Kenny > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Airline Tickets > > Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. > > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anViWVp\ CKE/ > > <http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anViWV\ pCKE/> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 I found out about it when I was trying to get some natural bedding for my daugher and I asked one of the suppliers about untreated timber, which was when he warned me that just because a timber doesn't have a stain or a gloss does not make it untreated. Here's something a bit more specific from a pine supplier: *Plantation Pine Treatments * There are two main types of treatment for pine: .. CCA (copper-chromium arsenic) is used on timber that must withstand exposure to persistent dampness. CCA treated timber does not protect against the effects of weather unless painted or coated. Oil-based CCA (also known as PROCCA or Tanalith Gold) are probably the best varieties as they absorb no water, allow minimal leaching, and have a long, useful lifetime. CCA treated timber should never be burnt and care should be taken not to inhale any sawdust or vapours when applying CCA .. LOSP (Light Organic Solvent Preservatives) are solutions of fungicides. They may contain insecticides and water repellents. LOSP treated timbers are used for external applications, such as fencing, decking, outdoor furniture. This treatment works best when painted. LOSP treated timbers are not suitable for in ground applications, as LOSPs will leach in to the soil. Ross wrote: > > >Also keep in mind some " untreated " timber, particulalry pine, is treated > >with arsenic at the plantation to strengthen it. > > > >.....oh how clever we humans are......... > > Hi , > > This is truly worrisome. I wonder if you have a > reference on this, as I haven't heard of it and > can't find any info on the web... > > Thanks, > > > > > Shepard Salzer wrote: > >> > >> Did you check www.danasview.net/metals for sources of exposure? > >> Upholstered furniture, carpet, carseats, strollers, playpens, older > >> (5+ years) treated lumber, pesticides used on cotton fields, orchards, > >> etc... > >> S S > >> > >> Re: Arsenic > >> Posted by: " k.ozbo " > >><mailto:k.ozbo%40.co.uk>k.ozbo@... > <mailto:k.ozbo%40.co.uk> > >><mailto:k.ozbo%40.co.uk> > >> k.ozbo > >> Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:16 pm (PST) > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , > >> > > >> > Thanks. Yes, I did and his result doesn't meet counting rules and > >> he has no fillings. > >> > But I cannot figure out the sources of exposure. We don't have > >> wood chips, treated woods etc...... welll, we go for a walk everyday > >> to a nature trail and the trail is covered with wood chips....??? Is > >> that it???? We also have lovesac... does foam contain arsenic??? > >> > > >> > So I guess I should use ALA... > >> > > >> In Andy's hair test book he say's that as well as ALA, methylators > >> may also be helpful to help clear Arsenic , b12, folic or folinic > >> acid and tmg, although some kids can get irritable and a bit angry on > >> these. > >> > >> Kenny > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >> Airline Tickets > >> Amazing travel deals. Click here for the best airfare deals. > >> > >><http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anVi\ WVpCKE/ > <http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anViWV\ pCKE/>>http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0\ anViWVpCKE/ > <http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anViWV\ pCKE/> > >> > >><<http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anV\ iWVpCKE/ > <http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anViWV\ pCKE/>>http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0\ anViWVpCKE/ > <http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZauUKScO6X0kHFl4ORv2PDZX2alr4zEC2Topp0anViWV\ pCKE/>> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 They were supposed to have discontinued the use of CCA about 5 years ago in the US and switched to ACQ. S S Re: Arsenic Posted by: " Reynolds " peter@... rollinreynolds Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:42 pm (PST) I found out about it when I was trying to get some natural bedding for my daugher and I asked one of the suppliers about untreated timber, which was when he warned me that just because a timber doesn't have a stain or a gloss does not make it untreated. Here's something a bit more specific from a pine supplier: *Plantation Pine Treatments * There are two main types of treatment for pine: .. CCA (copper-chromium arsenic) is used on timber that must withstand exposure to persistent dampness. CCA treated timber does not protect against the effects of weather unless painted or coated. Oil-based CCA (also known as PROCCA or Tanalith Gold) are probably the best varieties as they absorb no water, allow minimal leaching, and have a long, useful lifetime. CCA treated timber should never be burnt and care should be taken not to inhale any sawdust or vapours when applying CCA .. LOSP (Light Organic Solvent Preservatives) are solutions of fungicides. They may contain insecticides and water repellents. LOSP treated timbers are used for external applications, such as fencing, decking, outdoor furniture. This treatment works best when painted. LOSP treated timbers are not suitable for in ground applications, as LOSPs will leach in to the soil. ------------------------------------------------------------ Graphic Design School Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZbtOJ7zUS6qb4xq91FFY91uE5rS9A3x8y6mntKT8SCkQs\ nvi/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 But there's not a lot of control. And imports are not controlled well at all. No one should be using lead based paint anymore either, but I know there's some painters that have stock piles of lead based paint, " cheap paint " that they use when they can get away with it. And look at all the imported products that use lead based paint. Shepard Salzer wrote: > > They were supposed to have discontinued the use of CCA about 5 years > ago in the US and switched to ACQ. > S S > > Re: Arsenic > Posted by: " Reynolds " peter@... > <mailto:peter%40alkamy.com> rollinreynolds > Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:42 pm (PST) > I found out about it when I was trying to get some natural bedding for > my daugher and I asked one of the suppliers about untreated timber, > which was when he warned me that just because a timber doesn't have a > stain or a gloss does not make it untreated. > > Here's something a bit more specific from a pine supplier: > > *Plantation Pine Treatments > * > There are two main types of treatment for pine: > > . CCA (copper-chromium arsenic) is used on timber that must withstand > exposure to persistent dampness. CCA treated timber does not protect > against > the effects of weather unless painted or coated. Oil-based CCA (also known > as PROCCA or Tanalith Gold) are probably the best varieties as they absorb > no water, allow minimal leaching, and have a long, useful lifetime. CCA > treated timber should never be burnt and care should be taken not to > inhale any > sawdust or vapours when applying CCA > > . LOSP (Light Organic Solvent Preservatives) are solutions of > fungicides. They > may contain insecticides and water repellents. LOSP treated timbers are > used > for external applications, such as fencing, decking, outdoor furniture. > This > treatment works best when painted. LOSP treated timbers are not suitable > for > in ground applications, as LOSPs will leach in to the soil. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Graphic Design School > Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZbtOJ7zUS6qb4xq91FFY91uE5rS9A3x8y6mntKT8SCkQs\ nvi/ > <http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZbtOJ7zUS6qb4xq91FFY91uE5rS9A3x8y6mntKT8SCkQ\ snvi/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Arsenic is in our food supply, rice and chicken and more. It is used by the pathogens to form the branches they extend to each other. I hear that arsenic is used in the feed and fertilizers and such, maybe illegally, and this is why some of our foods are high in arsenic. It's found in drinking water and various other sources. I have seen many posts where it appears that nearly everyone with chronic immune system problems tests high in arsenic. Other toxins are also involved. Some scientist talked about trying to figure out what the biofilms were made out of, and he/she said that they appeared to be made of mostly arsenic and proteins. Often proteases and proteolyptics are used to fight the bofilms as well as chelation. I can't remember which scientist right now because I read these kinds of reports all the time. Oh yea, it was probably Dr. U. She is a doctor, so not sure how she discovered this. There is a scientist, Dr. F, that says biofilms are mostly being able to have their strength from a protozoan-like creature, that may be protozoan, not sure yet. This could explain why so many have to do so much to regain their health. They have to detox, and treat for protozoa, viruses, systemic enzymes or blood thinners, etc. to conquer their disease state. Love and prayers, Heidi N > E. I think Arsenic is the main biofilm mineral. ? Arsenic is old style rat poison. It is definitely not used in biofilms. Or did you mean arsenic can be used to kill biofilm bacteria? Some alternative Lyme docs have experimented with variations on arsenic (e.g. bismuth) but its all VERY dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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