Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 >>I would drop the calcium and?join the Vitamin K group Good luck Mandi in UK [ ] DMSA round 3 update We are on our third round of DMSA and ALA (9 rounds total). I lowered the DMSA dose in this round to 5mg (was 6.5mg) because the last two rounds my son had pains in his fingers and feet and was uncomfortable the whole time. I recently noticed these pains continued to the present date(mainly in his feet), even between rounds. Today was our first day of round 3 after adding DMSA, the 5mg still seemed too high because he was kicking and stomping and uncomfortable most the day. I made more pills this evening and they contain only 2.5mg DMSA along with the 10mg ALA (if need be, that will be lowered next). Andy suggested giving extra Omega 3s and Vit E so we are doing extra Omega 3s but can't do the Vit E unless I give him spoons full of grape seed oil. (he cannot tolerate ANY soy). I will probably be starting massages with the grape seed oil tomorrow. On top of the other usual supps (Vit c, b complex, clo, flax, cal, mag, probiotics) I am giving milk thistle and adrenal cortex twice a day. Because I believe we are removing lead, he is getting a Cal-mag with every meal. He also seems to need salt, so I let him take what he wants. The symptoms of this week that have worsened with the start of the new round are: 1. Saying " ow " often. 2. bothered by how his feet feel - stomping, kicking, jumping. 3. jumping onto knees on carpet (only happens on round) 4. hands - pounding fists on mom (only happens on round) 5. less tolerant of disapproving looks/comments 6. fights often with brother/annoys purposely/is annoyed easily 7. more sensory symptoms - covering ears/noise sensitivity/scared of loud noises 8. walks far behind brother, mom, and dad when we are out/slow to come when called/extra stubborn/unmotivated 9. blows in brother's/mom's face (only happens on round) 10. prefers tasks such as putting coins in a jar that take his concentration from the discomfort he is feeling. 11. decreased awareness of safety/increase of self-harm behavior Hopefully we can reach a cruising level during this round just to get through. I don't want to stress his little body too much, but I want the metals to keep moving out of him. I think after this round we need to take a longer break. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 [ ] DMSA round 3 update We are on our third round of DMSA and ALA (9 rounds total). I lowered the DMSA dose in this round to 5mg (was 6.5mg) because the last two rounds my son had pains in his fingers and feet and was uncomfortable the whole time. I recently noticed these pains continued to the present date(mainly in his feet), even between rounds. Today was our first day of round 3 after adding DMSA, the 5mg still seemed too high because he was kicking and stomping and uncomfortable most the day. I made more pills this evening and they contain only 2.5mg DMSA along with the 10mg ALA (if need be, that will be lowered next). Andy suggested giving extra Omega 3s and Vit E so we are doing extra Omega 3s but can't do the Vit E unless I give him spoons full of grape seed oil. (he cannot tolerate ANY soy). I will probably be starting massages with the grape seed oil tomorrow. On top of the other usual supps (Vit c, b complex, clo, flax, cal, mag, probiotics) I am giving milk thistle and adrenal cortex twice a day. Because I believe we are removing lead, he is getting a Cal-mag with every meal. He also seems to need salt, so I let him take what he wants. The symptoms of this week that have worsened with the start of the new round are: 1. Saying " ow " often. 2. bothered by how his feet feel - stomping, kicking, jumping. 3. jumping onto knees on carpet (only happens on round) 4. hands - pounding fists on mom (only happens on round) 5. less tolerant of disapproving looks/comments 6. fights often with brother/annoys purposely/is annoyed easily 7. more sensory symptoms - covering ears/noise sensitivity/scared of loud noises 8. walks far behind brother, mom, and dad when we are out/slow to come when called/extra stubborn/unmotivated 9. blows in brother's/mom's face (only happens on round) 10. prefers tasks such as putting coins in a jar that take his concentration from the discomfort he is feeling. 11. decreased awareness of safety/increase of self-harm behavior Hopefully we can reach a cruising level during this round just to get through. I don't want to stress his little body too much, but I want the metals to keep moving out of him. I think after this round we need to take a longer break. __________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Just that so many kids have problem with Calcium, I ignored the feet and hands and looked at the other symptoms described which fit with the kids that have issues with Calcium Mandi x Re: [ ] DMSA round 3 update [ ] DMSA round 3 update We are on our third round of DMSA and ALA (9 rounds total). I lowered the DMSA dose in this round to 5mg (was 6.5mg) because the last two rounds my son had pains in his fingers and feet and was uncomfortable the whole time. I recently noticed these pains continued to the present date(mainly in his feet), even between rounds. Today was our first day of round 3 after adding DMSA, the 5mg still seemed too high because he was kicking and stomping and uncomfortable most the day. I made more pills this evening and they contain only 2.5mg DMSA along with the 10mg ALA (if need be, that will be lowered next). Andy suggested giving extra Omega 3s and Vit E so we are doing extra Omega 3s but can't do the Vit E unless I give him spoons full of grape seed oil. (he cannot tolerate ANY soy). I will probably be starting massages with the grape seed oil tomorrow. On top of the other usual supps (Vit c, b complex, clo, flax, cal, mag, probiotics) I am giving milk thistle and adrenal cortex twice a day. Because I believe we are removing lead, he is getting a Cal-mag with every meal. He also seems to need salt, so I let him take what he wants. The symptoms of this week that have worsened with the start of the new round are: 1. Saying " ow " often. 2. bothered by how his feet feel - stomping, kicking, jumping. 3. jumping onto knees on carpet (only happens on round) 4. hands - pounding fists on mom (only happens on round) 5. less tolerant of disapproving looks/comments 6. fights often with brother/annoys purposely/is annoyed easily 7. more sensory symptoms - covering ears/noise sensitivity/scared of loud noises 8. walks far behind brother, mom, and dad when we are out/slow to come when called/extra stubborn/unmotivated 9. blows in brother's/mom's face (only happens on round) 10. prefers tasks such as putting coins in a jar that take his concentration from the discomfort he is feeling. 11. decreased awareness of safety/increase of self-harm behavior Hopefully we can reach a cruising level during this round just to get through. I don't want to stress his little body too much, but I want the metals to keep moving out of him. I think after this round we need to take a longer break. __________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I don't know about the hands/feet thing but the rest of the symptoms are definitely adrenal which are more apparent on rounds. Also yeast can make some pretty nasty behaviors. Consider lowering the ala because people on Frequent dose report pains in hands/feet when ala is too high. Or consider just dmsa for a period of time if you dealing with Lead. > > > [ ] DMSA round 3 update > > We are on our third round of DMSA and ALA (9 rounds total). I > lowered the DMSA dose in this round to 5mg (was 6.5mg) because the > last two rounds my son had pains in his fingers and feet and was > uncomfortable the whole time. I recently noticed these pains > continued to the present date(mainly in his feet), even between > rounds. > > Today was our first day of round 3 after adding DMSA, the 5mg still > seemed too high because he was kicking and stomping and uncomfortable > most the day. I made more pills this evening and they contain only > 2.5mg DMSA along with the 10mg ALA (if need be, that will be lowered > next). > > Andy suggested giving extra Omega 3s and Vit E so we are doing extra > Omega 3s but can't do the Vit E unless I give him spoons full of > grape seed oil. (he cannot tolerate ANY soy). I will probably be > starting massages with the grape seed oil tomorrow. On top of the > other usual supps (Vit c, b complex, clo, flax, cal, mag, probiotics) > I am giving milk thistle and adrenal cortex twice a day. Because I > believe we are removing lead, he is getting a Cal-mag with every > meal. He also seems to need salt, so I let him take what he wants. > > The symptoms of this week that have worsened with the start of the > new round are: > > 1. Saying " ow " often. > 2. bothered by how his feet feel - stomping, kicking, jumping. > 3. jumping onto knees on carpet (only happens on round) > 4. hands - pounding fists on mom (only happens on round) > 5. less tolerant of disapproving looks/comments > 6. fights often with brother/annoys purposely/is annoyed easily > 7. more sensory symptoms - covering ears/noise sensitivity/scared of > loud noises > 8. walks far behind brother, mom, and dad when we are out/slow to > come when called/extra stubborn/unmotivated > 9. blows in brother's/mom's face (only happens on round) > 10. prefers tasks such as putting coins in a jar that take his > concentration from the discomfort he is feeling. > 11. decreased awareness of safety/increase of self-harm behavior > > Hopefully we can reach a cruising level during this round just to get > through. I don't want to stress his little body too much, but I want > the metals to keep moving out of him. I think after this round we > need to take a longer break. > > __________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 >>He also seems to need salt, so I let him take what he wants. This is a sign of adrenal fatigue http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp > 7. more sensory symptoms - covering ears/noise sensitivity/scared of > loud noises This meant yeast overgrowth here. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I came across an article this evening which described reversing peripheral neuropathy with B6 andB12 but what helped most was correcting the pH levels. When the pH is right the enzymes, hormones and body electricity can all work well. The Vitamin K group has been talking a lot about it and what they are saying about the need for phosphorus to bring the pH in balance may be very relevant here. Gail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Okay, so we have; excess calcium, adrenals, ph balance and the ever ubiquitous yeast, no clear consensus. Around the time ours complained about the numbness in her hands for some weird unknown reason, potassium was helpful. Does he just crave salt on round? The sodium/potassium thing would be electrolyte imbalance? [ ] Re: DMSA round 3 update >>He also seems to need salt, so I let him take what he wants. This is a sign of adrenal fatigue http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp > 7. more sensory symptoms - covering ears/noise sensitivity/scared of > loud noises This meant yeast overgrowth here. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 OK - Loss of sodium is the first indicator of stressed adrenals - when the body loses sodium it also has to also potassium so that it can keep the Na:K ratio in balance. And another thing is that Potassium, Calcium and Magnesium are all major players in pH balance. And Magnesium and B6 acutally help Potassium to work. Gail @...: Ladyshrink111@...: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 09:55:13 -0400Subject: Re: [ ] Re: DMSA round 3 update Okay, so we have; excess calcium, adrenals, ph balance and the ever ubiquitous yeast, no clear consensus. Around the time ours complained about the numbness in her hands for some weird unknown reason, potassium was helpful. Does he just crave salt on round? The sodium/potassium thing would be electrolyte imbalance? [ ] Re: DMSA round 3 update>>He also seems to need salt, so I let him take what he wants.This is a sign of adrenal fatiguehttp://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp> 7. more sensory symptoms - covering ears/noise sensitivity/scared of > loud noisesThis meant yeast overgrowth here.Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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