Re: RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr. Moulden wants $1000s

[Guest guest]

In May I attended the autism one conference and spoke of her son.

She has not done heavy metal chelation (at least not as of May 2008) but

is gearing up to do it because she feels like her son needs it. Trust

me, she is well versed in all protocols. I am sure she will choose the

safest method. I guess her interpretation of recovered is the

neurological recovery he has made to become " typical " in his language

and behaviour. My children are in the same boat. It is a state of

managed recovery. (Which is why we are here and which is why we are

also doing HBOT) We are trying to get our kids bodies to self

regulate. Much like the child who has asthma and is not wheezing, so is

the child in autism recovery. We have controlled it with diet but we

still know there are things in their body that are affecting our kids.

(metals). We still work hard to lessen the toxic burden on our kids and

will probably always do that. At this point, I don't know if they could

do without the diet change, but its a healthy diet, so why change it?

We have sent them to typical kindergarten with an aide between them to

make sure they do not get food they shouldn't and get the support when

they need it. So far so good. I consider them recovered from autism.

Do I consider their bodies completely healed? No, but we are working on

that.

iflow97 wrote:

> In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may have chelated

her kid,

> but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front of a

national audience. I

> have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article with her,

and I do not

> believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on limb,

look I love what

> is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her celebrity to

shine a light

> where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a light shone.

However,

> that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer autistic

and at age 4 lost

> his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has cured his

son, with viral

> stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and recovered

too liberally.

> Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes. Heck, I

wish my son

> were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut issues etc,

clearly key to

> any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of metals with

the

> sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and then

there is

> completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal toxic.

>

> Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet. says that

her son still

> suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and has

constipation issues.

> To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction etc, which

are still

> present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted rotavirus (for

which he was

> innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals and

possibly viruses

> are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his world

toxin and germ

> free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here because we

believe in

> Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible without

removal of heavy

> metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you haven't gotten

the metals

> out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't leavin' on their

own, as we all

> know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and that you

can train

> the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify itself.

Perhaps these other

> ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who knows, but time

is of the

> essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the metals have to

come out

> sooner rather than later.

>

> I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the be all and

end all, and

> that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering their kids on

their own

> without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of the

seizures, but we all

> know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with seizures,

and

> correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti seizure

meds. Also, if she

> chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just something

that has been

> bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or something

about her.

>

> Irene

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: cnickerson

At this point, I don't know if they could

do without the diet change, but its a healthy diet, so why change it?

===>Because they will grow up and not do the diet. I know everyone thinks

their child won't eat things they are not supposed to, which is so odd to me

because I have hardly seen any teenager that does everything their parents want

them to do. It's not healthy for kids to show no signs of independence.

So, they will naturally eat things you don't want them to, just because you

don't want them to and then decompose, that's why you get them past the point

where they need some kind of special diet. Not to mention drinking with their

friends, which I'm sure noone here has ever done that, but they most likely will

at some point.

iflow97 wrote:

> In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may have

chelated her kid,

> but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front of a

national audience. I

> have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article with her,

and I do not

> believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on limb,

look I love what

> is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her celebrity

to shine a light

> where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a light shone.

However,

> that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer autistic

and at age 4 lost

> his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has cured his

son, with viral

> stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and recovered

too liberally.

> Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes. Heck, I

wish my son

> were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut issues etc,

clearly key to

> any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of metals

with the

> sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and then

there is

> completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal toxic.

>

> Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet. says that

her son still

> suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and has

constipation issues.

> To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction etc,

which are still

> present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted rotavirus

(for which he was

> innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals and

possibly viruses

> are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his world

toxin and germ

> free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here because

we believe in

> Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible without

removal of heavy

> metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you haven't

gotten the metals

> out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't leavin' on

their own, as we all

> know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and that you

can train

> the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify itself.

Perhaps these other

> ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who knows, but

time is of the

> essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the metals have

to come out

> sooner rather than later.

>

> I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the be all

and end all, and

> that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering their kids

on their own

> without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of the

seizures, but we all

> know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with seizures,

and

> correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti seizure

meds. Also, if she

> chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just something

that has been

> bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or something

about her.

>

> Irene

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

No offense meant here.  But does it matter if McCarthy chelated her son? 

What is important is that she did biomedically and diet wise what was necessary

to get him well.  Once their diet is changed and yeast is under control, some

kids are blessed to be able to start detoxing naturally.

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

My son had seizures and was able to chelate safely using the Cutler method.

Without seizure meds--but we had upped his taurine as well. That helped

tremendously in his case.

Barb

[ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr. Moulden

wants $1000s

In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may have chelated

her kid,

but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front of a

national audience. I

have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article with her,

and I do not

believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on limb, look

I love what

is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her celebrity to

shine a light

where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a light shone.

However,

that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer autistic

and at age 4 lost

his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has cured his son,

with viral

stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and recovered

too liberally.

Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes. Heck, I

wish my son

were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut issues etc,

clearly key to

any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of metals with

the

sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and then there

is

completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal toxic.

Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet. says that

her son still

suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and has

constipation issues.

To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction etc, which

are still

present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted rotavirus (for

which he was

innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals and

possibly viruses

are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his world toxin

and germ

free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here because we

believe in

Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible without

removal of heavy

metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you haven't gotten

the metals

out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't leavin' on their

own, as we all

know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and that you

can train

the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify itself.

Perhaps these other

ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who knows, but time

is of the

essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the metals have to

come out

sooner rather than later.

I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the be all and

end all, and

that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering their kids on

their own

without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of the seizures,

but we all

know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with seizures,

and

correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti seizure

meds. Also, if she

chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just something that

has been

bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or something

about her.

Irene

[Guest guest]

Well said, Irene. I completely agree. I couldn't have said any of this

better myself.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of iflow97

Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:23 AM

Subject: [ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr. Moulden

wants $1000s

In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may have

chelated her kid,

but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front of a

national audience. I

have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article with her,

and I do not

believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on limb,

look I love what

is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her celebrity

to shine a light

where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a light shone.

However,

that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer autistic

and at age 4 lost

his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has cured his

son, with viral

stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and recovered

too liberally.

Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes. Heck, I

wish my son

were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut issues etc,

clearly key to

any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of metals

with the

sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and then

there is

completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal toxic.

Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet. says that

her son still

suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and has

constipation issues.

To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction etc,

which are still

present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted rotavirus

(for which he was

innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals and

possibly viruses

are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his world

toxin and germ

free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here because

we believe in

Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible without

removal of heavy

metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you haven't

gotten the metals

out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't leavin' on

their own, as we all

know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and that you

can train

the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify itself.

Perhaps these other

ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who knows, but

time is of the

essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the metals have

to come out

sooner rather than later.

I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the be all

and end all, and

that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering their kids

on their own

without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of the

seizures, but we all

know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with seizures,

and

correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti seizure

meds. Also, if she

chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just something

that has been

bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or something

about her.

Irene

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My 18 yo won't do anything about emotional changes voluntarily (like

yours being anxious and high strung). But, if I point out he's in

discomfort, like rubbing his eyes again or clearing his throat, he will

get the GSE bottle and take some all by himself. Otherwise, I have to

tell him to. He's still here with us, not in college. We decided to

not send him this year for several reasons, including the fact that he

wasn't chelated enough to stop yet in our opinion.

I was surprised at some the things that chelation dealt with, more what

I though were his personality. We've noticed that he's a lot more like

a teenage boy now; he used to be pretty laid back and peaceful. I think

chelation surprises us daily. I don't think I'll call him fully

recovered until he can get along for a long period of time without the

supplements we've had to use for him. But, then again, I don't believe

that his current issues being fixed preclude other health issues that

are unrelated down the road. So, I'm sure I'll pick a level at which I

consider it to no longer be ASD symptoms and call him recovered.

P.

Axe wrote:

>

> I agree. I find that my son is not fully 100% recovered since we

> didn't chelate all the way. Sometimes he still is a little aspy when

> it comes to empathy (or a lack thereof). I'll bet this could be fixed

> if he finished. Also I noticed that yeast came back and he has

> anxiety, what I mean is that he seems really high strung and easily

> agitated more than normal (it could be the economy and that he is

> working full time now and going to college but is just funny how I

> don't think it is that). I really think it is yeast. Since he is 19,

> he doesn't/won't do anything about that. I find it very interesting

> that the chemical sensitivity is 100% gone, but the autism is more

> like 80% gone. I mean who ever thought that chemical sensitivity would

> be easier to cure than autism. I wasn't trying to cure the chemical

> sensitivity. I was under the impression that was incurable, so I am

> still very surprized.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Did you have your son on B-Complex along with the Taurine?

On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:12 PM, jromkema wrote:

> My son had seizures and was able to chelate safely using the Cutler

> method.

>

> Without seizure meds--but we had upped his taurine as well. That

> helped tremendously in his case.

>

> Barb

> [ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

> Moulden wants $1000s

>

> In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> have chelated her kid,

> but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> of a national audience. I

> have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> with her, and I do not

> believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on

> limb, look I love what

> is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> celebrity to shine a light

> where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> light shone. However,

> that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> autistic and at age 4 lost

> his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> cured his son, with viral

> stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> recovered too liberally.

> Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes.

> Heck, I wish my son

> were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> issues etc, clearly key to

> any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> metals with the

> sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and

> then there is

> completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> toxic.

>

> Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> says that her son still

> suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> has constipation issues.

> To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> etc, which are still

> present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> rotavirus (for which he was

> innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> and possibly viruses

> are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> world toxin and germ

> free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> because we believe in

> Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> without removal of heavy

> metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> haven't gotten the metals

> out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> leavin' on their own, as we all

> know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> that you can train

> the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> itself. Perhaps these other

> ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> knows, but time is of the

> essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> metals have to come out

> sooner rather than later.

>

> I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> be all and end all, and

> that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> their kids on their own

> without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> the seizures, but we all

> know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> seizures, and

> correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> seizure meds. Also, if she

> chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> something that has been

> bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> something about her.

>

> Irene

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder why she hasn't chelated yet. I thought she was pretty

knowledgeable about all of this. Things would be so much better for

him/them, if she did.

Don't you agree?

On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Sheri wrote:

> At the autism one conference in May, started that she had not

> chelated Evan yet, but she was planning to start doing so this (past)

> summer. She didn't indicate what protocol she was intending to

> follow, but she definately said she wanted to get the metals out,

> rather than leave them in.

>

> She also said that Evan isn't " cured " , and said that if she were to

> stop the diet and supplements, Evan would likely be fully autistic

> again (I believe she meant he would have the full symptoms once

> again) within 2 months.

>

> Sheri

>

>

> >

> > In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> have chelated her kid,

> > but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> of a national audience. I

> > have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> with her, and I do not

> > believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out

> on limb, look I love what

> > is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> celebrity to shine a light

> > where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> light shone. However,

> > that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> autistic and at age 4 lost

> > his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> cured his son, with viral

> > stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> recovered too liberally.

> > Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular

> classes. Heck, I wish my son

> > were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> issues etc, clearly key to

> > any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> metals with the

> > sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis

> and then there is

> > completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> toxic.

> >

> > Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> says that her son still

> > suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> has constipation issues.

> > To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> etc, which are still

> > present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> rotavirus (for which he was

> > innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> and possibly viruses

> > are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> world toxin and germ

> > free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> because we believe in

> > Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> without removal of heavy

> > metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> haven't gotten the metals

> > out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> leavin' on their own, as we all

> > know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> that you can train

> > the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> itself. Perhaps these other

> > ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> knows, but time is of the

> > essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> metals have to come out

> > sooner rather than later.

> >

> > I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> be all and end all, and

> > that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> their kids on their own

> > without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> the seizures, but we all

> > know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> seizures, and

> > correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> seizure meds. Also, if she

> > chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> something that has been

> > bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> something about her.

> >

> > Irene

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I'm sure he had some kind of B-vitamins. He also had lots of other supps,

but the taurine DEFINITELY helped him.

If we'd miss it occasionally, we'd see the eye-flutter seizures again. Once we

started it up, they were gone. Now we never see them.

Barb

[ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

> Moulden wants $1000s

>

> In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> have chelated her kid,

> but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> of a national audience. I

> have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> with her, and I do not

> believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on

> limb, look I love what

> is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> celebrity to shine a light

> where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> light shone. However,

> that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> autistic and at age 4 lost

> his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> cured his son, with viral

> stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> recovered too liberally.

> Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes.

> Heck, I wish my son

> were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> issues etc, clearly key to

> any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> metals with the

> sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and

> then there is

> completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> toxic.

>

> Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> says that her son still

> suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> has constipation issues.

> To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> etc, which are still

> present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> rotavirus (for which he was

> innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> and possibly viruses

> are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> world toxin and germ

> free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> because we believe in

> Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> without removal of heavy

> metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> haven't gotten the metals

> out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> leavin' on their own, as we all

> know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> that you can train

> the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> itself. Perhaps these other

> ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> knows, but time is of the

> essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> metals have to come out

> sooner rather than later.

>

> I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> be all and end all, and

> that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> their kids on their own

> without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> the seizures, but we all

> know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> seizures, and

> correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> seizure meds. Also, if she

> chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> something that has been

> bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> something about her.

>

> Irene

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Is he still taking the Taurine? Also .... should I just get it at

whole foods? Is there anything special about the type of Taurine, or

the amount?

On Nov 22, 2008, at 8:33 AM, jromkema wrote:

> Yeah, I'm sure he had some kind of B-vitamins. He also had lots of

> other supps, but the taurine DEFINITELY helped him.

>

> If we'd miss it occasionally, we'd see the eye-flutter seizures

> again. Once we started it up, they were gone. Now we never see them.

>

> Barb

> [ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

> > Moulden wants $1000s

> >

> > In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> > have chelated her kid,

> > but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> > of a national audience. I

> > have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> > with her, and I do not

> > believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on

> > limb, look I love what

> > is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> > celebrity to shine a light

> > where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> > light shone. However,

> > that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> > autistic and at age 4 lost

> > his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> > cured his son, with viral

> > stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> > recovered too liberally.

> > Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes.

> > Heck, I wish my son

> > were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> > issues etc, clearly key to

> > any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> > metals with the

> > sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and

> > then there is

> > completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> > toxic.

> >

> > Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> > says that her son still

> > suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> > has constipation issues.

> > To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> > etc, which are still

> > present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> > rotavirus (for which he was

> > innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> > and possibly viruses

> > are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> > world toxin and germ

> > free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> > because we believe in

> > Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> > without removal of heavy

> > metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> > haven't gotten the metals

> > out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> > leavin' on their own, as we all

> > know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> > that you can train

> > the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> > itself. Perhaps these other

> > ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> > knows, but time is of the

> > essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> > metals have to come out

> > sooner rather than later.

> >

> > I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> > be all and end all, and

> > that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> > their kids on their own

> > without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> > the seizures, but we all

> > know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> > seizures, and

> > correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> > seizure meds. Also, if she

> > chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> > something that has been

> > bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> > something about her.

> >

> > Irene

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

- try vitacost.com, luckyvitamin.com or iherb.com - of all the

supplements I ever bought at whole foods I paid way too much in comparison

with other places for the exact same products.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Arias

Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:57 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

Moulden wants $1000s

Barb,

Is he still taking the Taurine? Also .... should I just get it at

whole foods? Is there anything special about the type of Taurine, or

the amount?

On Nov 22, 2008, at 8:33 AM, jromkema wrote:

> Yeah, I'm sure he had some kind of B-vitamins. He also had lots of

> other supps, but the taurine DEFINITELY helped him.

>

> If we'd miss it occasionally, we'd see the eye-flutter seizures

> again. Once we started it up, they were gone. Now we never see them.

>

> Barb

> [ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

> > Moulden wants $1000s

> >

> > In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> > have chelated her kid,

> > but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> > of a national audience. I

> > have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> > with her, and I do not

> > believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on

> > limb, look I love what

> > is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> > celebrity to shine a light

> > where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> > light shone. However,

> > that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> > autistic and at age 4 lost

> > his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> > cured his son, with viral

> > stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> > recovered too liberally.

> > Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes.

> > Heck, I wish my son

> > were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> > issues etc, clearly key to

> > any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> > metals with the

> > sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and

> > then there is

> > completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> > toxic.

> >

> > Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> > says that her son still

> > suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> > has constipation issues.

> > To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> > etc, which are still

> > present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> > rotavirus (for which he was

> > innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> > and possibly viruses

> > are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> > world toxin and germ

> > free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> > because we believe in

> > Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> > without removal of heavy

> > metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> > haven't gotten the metals

> > out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> > leavin' on their own, as we all

> > know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> > that you can train

> > the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> > itself. Perhaps these other

> > ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> > knows, but time is of the

> > essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> > metals have to come out

> > sooner rather than later.

> >

> > I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> > be all and end all, and

> > that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> > their kids on their own

> > without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> > the seizures, but we all

> > know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> > seizures, and

> > correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> > seizure meds. Also, if she

> > chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> > something that has been

> > bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> > something about her.

> >

> > Irene

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Gosh, I guess we'll always gotten it through our doc and at her dosing . . .

The less I have to think about, the better!

Barb

[ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

> > Moulden wants $1000s

> >

> > In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> > have chelated her kid,

> > but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> > of a national audience. I

> > have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> > with her, and I do not

> > believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on

> > limb, look I love what

> > is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> > celebrity to shine a light

> > where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> > light shone. However,

> > that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> > autistic and at age 4 lost

> > his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> > cured his son, with viral

> > stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> > recovered too liberally.

> > Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes.

> > Heck, I wish my son

> > were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> > issues etc, clearly key to

> > any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> > metals with the

> > sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and

> > then there is

> > completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> > toxic.

> >

> > Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> > says that her son still

> > suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> > has constipation issues.

> > To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> > etc, which are still

> > present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> > rotavirus (for which he was

> > innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> > and possibly viruses

> > are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> > world toxin and germ

> > free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> > because we believe in

> > Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> > without removal of heavy

> > metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> > haven't gotten the metals

> > out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> > leavin' on their own, as we all

> > know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> > that you can train

> > the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> > itself. Perhaps these other

> > ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> > knows, but time is of the

> > essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> > metals have to come out

> > sooner rather than later.

> >

> > I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> > be all and end all, and

> > that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> > their kids on their own

> > without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> > the seizures, but we all

> > know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> > seizures, and

> > correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> > seizure meds. Also, if she

> > chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> > something that has been

> > bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> > something about her.

> >

> > Irene

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Does the taurine still help your child?

On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:12 PM, jromkema wrote:

> My son had seizures and was able to chelate safely using the Cutler

> method.

>

> Without seizure meds--but we had upped his taurine as well. That

> helped tremendously in his case.

>

> Barb

> [ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

> Moulden wants $1000s

>

> In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> have chelated her kid,

> but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> of a national audience. I

> have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> with her, and I do not

> believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on

> limb, look I love what

> is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> celebrity to shine a light

> where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> light shone. However,

> that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> autistic and at age 4 lost

> his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> cured his son, with viral

> stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> recovered too liberally.

> Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes.

> Heck, I wish my son

> were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> issues etc, clearly key to

> any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> metals with the

> sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and

> then there is

> completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> toxic.

>

> Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> says that her son still

> suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> has constipation issues.

> To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> etc, which are still

> present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> rotavirus (for which he was

> innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> and possibly viruses

> are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> world toxin and germ

> free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> because we believe in

> Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> without removal of heavy

> metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> haven't gotten the metals

> out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> leavin' on their own, as we all

> know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> that you can train

> the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> itself. Perhaps these other

> ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> knows, but time is of the

> essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> metals have to come out

> sooner rather than later.

>

> I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> be all and end all, and

> that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> their kids on their own

> without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> the seizures, but we all

> know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> seizures, and

> correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> seizure meds. Also, if she

> chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> something that has been

> bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> something about her.

>

> Irene

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, and he is an adult, by the way.

Barb

[ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

> Moulden wants $1000s

>

> In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> have chelated her kid,

> but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> of a national audience. I

> have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> with her, and I do not

> believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on

> limb, look I love what

> is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> celebrity to shine a light

> where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> light shone. However,

> that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> autistic and at age 4 lost

> his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> cured his son, with viral

> stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> recovered too liberally.

> Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes.

> Heck, I wish my son

> were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> issues etc, clearly key to

> any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> metals with the

> sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and

> then there is

> completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> toxic.

>

> Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> says that her son still

> suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> has constipation issues.

> To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> etc, which are still

> present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> rotavirus (for which he was

> innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> and possibly viruses

> are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> world toxin and germ

> free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> because we believe in

> Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> without removal of heavy

> metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> haven't gotten the metals

> out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> leavin' on their own, as we all

> know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> that you can train

> the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> itself. Perhaps these other

> ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> knows, but time is of the

> essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> metals have to come out

> sooner rather than later.

>

> I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> be all and end all, and

> that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> their kids on their own

> without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> the seizures, but we all

> know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> seizures, and

> correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> seizure meds. Also, if she

> chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> something that has been

> bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> something about her.

>

> Irene

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks. did the chelation help the seizures?

On Jul 14, 2009, at 8:29 AM, jromkema wrote:

>

>

> Yes, and he is an adult, by the way.

>

> Barb

> [ ] RE: McCarthy & chelation, was Dr.

> > Moulden wants $1000s

> >

> > In this thread, people were speculating that McCarthy may

> > have chelated her kid,

> > but just didn't want to say so to people like Oprah etc. in front

> > of a national audience. I

> > have read both of her books and just read the US magazine article

> > with her, and I do not

> > believe that she ever chelated her boy. At the risk of going out on

> > limb, look I love what

> > is doing, and she is a great spokesperson and is using her

> > celebrity to shine a light

> > where the CDC, AMA, AAP and Big Pharma definitely do not want a

> > light shone. However,

> > that being said, she claims that he is " recovered " and is no longer

> > autistic and at age 4 lost

> > his diagnosis. In her book Stan Kurtz likewise says that he has

> > cured his son, with viral

> > stuff alone. Basically, these people are using the words cured and

> > recovered too liberally.

> > Sure their kids appear to be mostly NT, and are in regular classes.

> > Heck, I wish my son

> > were at that stage. Both have dealt with yeast and viruses, gut

> > issues etc, clearly key to

> > any recovery. And may have reduced her son's body burden of

> > metals with the

> > sauna. But look, there is " recovered " for purposes of diagnosis and

> > then there is

> > completely recovered, when you are no longer mercury/heavy metal

> > toxic.

> >

> > Their kids still need lots of supplements and the gfcf diet.

> > says that her son still

> > suffers seizures, needs the diet, anti fungals now and again and

> > has constipation issues.

> > To me these are all the building blocks of autism, gut dysfunction

> > etc, which are still

> > present. In her latest book she relates how her son contracted

> > rotavirus (for which he was

> > innoculated) and had terrible seizures where he almost died. Metals

> > and possibly viruses

> > are still wreaking havoc with her son's brain. She has to keep his

> > world toxin and germ

> > free as much as possible for fear of more seizures. We are all here

> > because we believe in

> > Andy's protocol and the notion that full recovery is not possible

> > without removal of heavy

> > metals from the body and the brain, using ALA chelation. If you

> > haven't gotten the metals

> > out, they still are posing a threat to your child, they ain't

> > leavin' on their own, as we all

> > know. I know a friend of mine says that she follows homeopathy and

> > that you can train

> > the bodies detox pathways and eventually the body will detoxify

> > itself. Perhaps these other

> > ways are possible for eventual natural detox by the body, who

> > knows, but time is of the

> > essence as Andy says, time is simply not a luxury we have, the

> > metals have to come out

> > sooner rather than later.

> >

> > I think we need to reach out to and tell her DAN! is not the

> > be all and end all, and

> > that Andy's way is out there, and that many here are recovering

> > their kids on their own

> > without a DAN! doc. She is probably afraid to chelate because of

> > the seizures, but we all

> > know Andy has answered many parents questions about chelating with

> > seizures, and

> > correct me if I'm wrong, but it is possible if you are on good anti

> > seizure meds. Also, if she

> > chelates the DAN! way it could be tragic for her. This is just

> > something that has been

> > bothering me everytime I see her interviewed or read her books or

> > something about her.

> >

> > Irene

> >

> >