Re: DMSA is stressful to the liver. ALA is helpful to the liver.

[Guest guest]

Yes DMSA can stress the liver somewhat, although on Andy's protocol this

is highly unlikely.

ALA is liver supportive.

Andy has said the same, and I don't think you will find the opposite in

his book. Think you are misremembering.

ALA will cause a retention of copper. This is one of the reasons why a

3 days on and " at least " as many days off is encouraged, particularly

for those high in copper, so copper does not build up too much.

We started chelation for a period of time with DMSA only. We had some

serious lead issues. We also had high copper issues.

By the time we introduced ALA after about 4 months, copper was no longer

a problem.

wcsahm wrote:

>

> I read that DMSA is stressful to the liver. ALA is helpful to the

> liver on Moriam site but then I

> thought I read in Andy's book that it was the opposite. Can't find

> place in book where I

> thought I read that. Can someone advise?

>

> Also on Moriam's sit is says: ALA tends to lessen copper excretion---

> so people taking ALA

> may have their copper levels increase. This can be a problem for

> people who already have

> high copper (which is toxic). This should be considered in deciding

> when to use ALA.

>

> If the counting rules apply and you have high copper, couldn't the

> reason you have high

> copper be because of mercury toxicity? Wouldn't the ALA help? What

> would I need to look for

> to make sure copper is not becoming a problem?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> wcsahm wrote:

> > Also on Moriam's sit is says: ALA tends to lessen copper excretion---

> > so people taking ALA

> > may have their copper levels increase. This can be a problem for

> > people who already have

> > high copper (which is toxic). This should be considered in deciding

> > when to use ALA.

> >

> > If the counting rules apply and you have high copper, couldn't the

> > reason you have high

> > copper be because of mercury toxicity? Wouldn't the ALA help? What

> > would I need to look for

> > to make sure copper is not becoming a problem?

The only case where this is an issue **at all** is if you have

HIGH copper on a hair test. This is pretty uncommon.

Even in that case, I believe I read where Andy is now saying

ALA deosn't affect copper retention enough for this to be

an issue for most cases. And remember that high copper is

very uncommon to start with.

Does this help?

Moria

[Guest guest]

OK I found the part where Andy talks about DMSA and ALA and the liver in

response to

the below post:

" One thing that makes a lot of sense to me and would cause

one to stay away from injections is that as the chelator agent pulls the

nasties out of the body tissue into the bloodstream, then the detox

metabolic pathways have to get going to get the stuff processed out of

the blood, over to the liver, processed in the liver , then into either

the kidneys/urine or bile onto it's way to the stool. "

" This isn't what happens. The DMPS and DMSA - mercury complexes go right out

in the urine as is. No liver processing involved. LA is what moves mercury

between the organs and gets more put into bile by the liver. "

Andy Cutler

Back to me speaking here... Maybe I am not understanding this right but it

sounds like

Andy is saying DMSA is not stressful to the liver at all and then I am not sure

if he is

suggesting that ALA is stressful because effects the liver.

Can someone explain so I am clear on this?

thanks,

> >

> > I read that DMSA is stressful to the liver. ALA is helpful to the

> > liver on Moriam site but then I

> > thought I read in Andy's book that it was the opposite. Can't find

> > place in book where I

> > thought I read that. Can someone advise?

> >

> > Also on Moriam's sit is says: ALA tends to lessen copper excretion---

> > so people taking ALA

> > may have their copper levels increase. This can be a problem for

> > people who already have

> > high copper (which is toxic). This should be considered in deciding

> > when to use ALA.

> >

> > If the counting rules apply and you have high copper, couldn't the

> > reason you have high

> > copper be because of mercury toxicity? Wouldn't the ALA help? What

> > would I need to look for

> > to make sure copper is not becoming a problem?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here's a comment from Andy in relation to elevated AST and ALT readings:

People with mercury problems often run modestly elevated liver enzymes

on their own, chelation doesn't cause those. Alpha lipoic acid is often

given in other situations to REDUCE liver enzymes.

wcsahm wrote:

>

> OK I found the part where Andy talks about DMSA and ALA and the liver

> in response to

> the below post:

>

> " One thing that makes a lot of sense to me and would cause

> one to stay away from injections is that as the chelator agent pulls the

> nasties out of the body tissue into the bloodstream, then the detox

> metabolic pathways have to get going to get the stuff processed out of

> the blood, over to the liver, processed in the liver , then into either

> the kidneys/urine or bile onto it's way to the stool. "

>

> " This isn't what happens. The DMPS and DMSA - mercury complexes go

> right out

> in the urine as is. No liver processing involved. LA is what moves

> mercury

> between the organs and gets more put into bile by the liver. "

> Andy Cutler

>

> Back to me speaking here... Maybe I am not understanding this right

> but it sounds like

> Andy is saying DMSA is not stressful to the liver at all and then I am

> not sure if he is

> suggesting that ALA is stressful because effects the liver.

>

> Can someone explain so I am clear on this?

> thanks,

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I read that DMSA is stressful to the liver. ALA is helpful to the

> > > liver on Moriam site but then I

> > > thought I read in Andy's book that it was the opposite. Can't find

> > > place in book where I

> > > thought I read that. Can someone advise?

> > >

> > > Also on Moriam's sit is says: ALA tends to lessen copper excretion---

> > > so people taking ALA

> > > may have their copper levels increase. This can be a problem for

> > > people who already have

> > > high copper (which is toxic). This should be considered in deciding

> > > when to use ALA.

> > >

> > > If the counting rules apply and you have high copper, couldn't the

> > > reason you have high

> > > copper be because of mercury toxicity? Wouldn't the ALA help? What

> > > would I need to look for

> > > to make sure copper is not becoming a problem?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >