Re: Hemp Oil information and a bit on clo extraction

[Guest guest]

I would note that Carlson's is not one of the clo's us old timers on

the group recommend. Again, what oils one chooses will have to be what

they are comfortable with. If they don't like clo, then don't use it.

If they prefer flax, fine, if they like hemp, fine too.

>

> _http://www.manitobaharvest.com/nutrition/index.asp?itemID=74_

> (http://www.manitobaharvest.com/nutrition/index.asp?itemID=74)

>

> I don't think the chart will post here, hence the url above.

Here's the

> written part:

>

> (We find the taste of flaxseed oil just fine; and, as I've said, the

> hempseed oil is yummy!)

>

> (Now I'm going to look to see how cod liver oil is processed.) The

results

> are below the hempseed oil information.

>

> One of the most interesting questions posed to us at Manitoba

Harvest Hemp

> Foods & Oils, regards the consumers attempt to balance their intake

of Omega 6

> and Omega 3 essential fatty acids (EFA).

>

>

> Modern nutritional research shows that we generally need 3 or 4

times as

> much Omega-6 as Omega-3. The common perception among people aware of

the issue is

> that they are getting enough Omega-6 in their diet but not enough

Omega-3.

> This prompts the repeated question;

>

> " Shouldn't I be eating flaxseed oil, which has high Omega-3 instead

of the

> balanced Hemp seed oil? "

>

> Perhaps, but the person who feels they are getting enough Omega-6

in their

> diet has five things to consider:

>

> 1) Omega-6 and Omega-3 can also be bad fats. If they have been

heated past

> 360 degrees F, hydrogenated, bleached, winterized, deodorized or

refined in any

> way, chances are that the fatty acid has been altered from its good

" cis "

> configuration to its bad " trans " configuration.

>

>

>

>

> 2) Is their current source of Omega-6 a quality source of Omega-6?

If the

> Omega-6 they are getting hasn't come from a light and oxygen

impermeable

> container, which has been refrigerated, the Omega-6 will be either

" trans " or

> rancid. Looking at the common sources of Omega-6 we see that Canola

oil is usually

> bleached and deodorized and comes hydrogenated or deep-fried. Corn

oil is

> usually bleached and deodorized as is sesame and soybean oil. If

one takes a

> walk down the grocery isle they will see that all of the corn, canola,

> sunflower, safflower, peanut and soybean oils are sitting at room

temperature, in

> clear containers with no expiry date. The Omega-6 fats in these

products are not

> in their good configuration. Therefore anyone relying on these

sources for

> good Omega-6 fats is deceiving themselves.

>

>

>

> 3) There is a question of mutual presence. If you are eating a good

supply

> of unrefined sunflower or safflower oil, flax may be the optimum

choice to

> balance the omega-6 and the Omega-3 ratio. But, one should ask, " Is

it best to

> get your Omega-6 in one meal and your Omega-3 in another, or is it

best to

> have them both present at the same time? "

>

> 4) Hemp seed oil offers the direct metabolites of Omega-6 and 3,

> Gamma-Linolenic Acid and Stearidonic Acid. These metabolites are

involved in the

> production of prostaglandin for hormones and in immune functions.

Even if one did

> get unrefined sunflower oil and mixed it with unrefined flaxseed

oil, you would

> mimic Hemp seed oil's Omega-6 to 3 ratio, but still be missing their

direct

> higher metabolites.

>

> 5) Taste. Our experience has shown that after a certain time, most

flaxseed

> oil consumers become tired of its taste. For these people, the

pleasant nutty

> flavor of hemp seed oil is a welcome change.

>

> At MANITOBA HARVEST we do not discourage consumers from unrefined high

> quality flaxseed oil, but merely offer them hemp seed oil as a way

to increase

> their options for optimum fat intake. We do however discourage the

eating of any

> deep-fried, hydrogenated, refined or rancid oils.

>

> _http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/80/1/9.pdf_

> (http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/80/1/9.pdf)

>

> And here's a pp from another page for Carlson's:

>

> Carlson uses a special steam extraction process that produces a

super high

> quality oil that doesn’t have a bad taste or smell like some

other varieties.

> As soon as the oil is produced, it is put into 2.5 ton containers

that have

> nitrogen pumped into them. Nitrogen is necessary to remove any

oxygen in the

> containers, another important step that is taken to maximize

freshness, as

> oxygen can damage the valuable fatty acids in cod liver oil.

>

> (My note: heat damages oil.)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Green Pastures CLO uses a cold press process extraction and cleaning

process. It also costs more than Carlson's, but you get what you pay for.

> >

> > _http://www.manitobaharvest.com/nutrition/index.asp?itemID=74_

> > (http://www.manitobaharvest.com/nutrition/index.asp?itemID=74)

> >

> > I don't think the chart will post here, hence the url above.

> Here's the

> > written part:

> >

> > (We find the taste of flaxseed oil just fine; and, as I've said, the

> > hempseed oil is yummy!)

> >

> > (Now I'm going to look to see how cod liver oil is processed.) The

> results

> > are below the hempseed oil information.

> >

> > One of the most interesting questions posed to us at Manitoba

> Harvest Hemp

> > Foods & Oils, regards the consumers attempt to balance their intake

> of Omega 6

> > and Omega 3 essential fatty acids (EFA).

> >

> >

> > Modern nutritional research shows that we generally need 3 or 4

> times as

> > much Omega-6 as Omega-3. The common perception among people aware of

> the issue is

> > that they are getting enough Omega-6 in their diet but not enough

> Omega-3.

> > This prompts the repeated question;

> >

> > " Shouldn't I be eating flaxseed oil, which has high Omega-3 instead

> of the

> > balanced Hemp seed oil? "

> >

> > Perhaps, but the person who feels they are getting enough Omega-6

> in their

> > diet has five things to consider:

> >

> > 1) Omega-6 and Omega-3 can also be bad fats. If they have been

> heated past

> > 360 degrees F, hydrogenated, bleached, winterized, deodorized or

> refined in any

> > way, chances are that the fatty acid has been altered from its good

> " cis "

> > configuration to its bad " trans " configuration.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2) Is their current source of Omega-6 a quality source of Omega-6?

> If the

> > Omega-6 they are getting hasn't come from a light and oxygen

> impermeable

> > container, which has been refrigerated, the Omega-6 will be either

> " trans " or

> > rancid. Looking at the common sources of Omega-6 we see that Canola

> oil is usually

> > bleached and deodorized and comes hydrogenated or deep-fried. Corn

> oil is

> > usually bleached and deodorized as is sesame and soybean oil. If

> one takes a

> > walk down the grocery isle they will see that all of the corn,

canola,

> > sunflower, safflower, peanut and soybean oils are sitting at room

> temperature, in

> > clear containers with no expiry date. The Omega-6 fats in these

> products are not

> > in their good configuration. Therefore anyone relying on these

> sources for

> > good Omega-6 fats is deceiving themselves.

> >

> >

> >

> > 3) There is a question of mutual presence. If you are eating a good

> supply

> > of unrefined sunflower or safflower oil, flax may be the optimum

> choice to

> > balance the omega-6 and the Omega-3 ratio. But, one should ask, " Is

> it best to

> > get your Omega-6 in one meal and your Omega-3 in another, or is it

> best to

> > have them both present at the same time? "

> >

> > 4) Hemp seed oil offers the direct metabolites of Omega-6 and 3,

> > Gamma-Linolenic Acid and Stearidonic Acid. These metabolites are

> involved in the

> > production of prostaglandin for hormones and in immune functions.

> Even if one did

> > get unrefined sunflower oil and mixed it with unrefined flaxseed

> oil, you would

> > mimic Hemp seed oil's Omega-6 to 3 ratio, but still be missing their

> direct

> > higher metabolites.

> >

> > 5) Taste. Our experience has shown that after a certain time, most

> flaxseed

> > oil consumers become tired of its taste. For these people, the

> pleasant nutty

> > flavor of hemp seed oil is a welcome change.

> >

> > At MANITOBA HARVEST we do not discourage consumers from unrefined

high

> > quality flaxseed oil, but merely offer them hemp seed oil as a way

> to increase

> > their options for optimum fat intake. We do however discourage the

> eating of any

> > deep-fried, hydrogenated, refined or rancid oils.

> >

> > _http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/80/1/9.pdf_

> > (http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/80/1/9.pdf)

> >

> > And here's a pp from another page for Carlson's:

> >

> > Carlson uses a special steam extraction process that produces a

> super high

> > quality oil that doesn’t have a bad taste or smell like some

> other varieties.

> > As soon as the oil is produced, it is put into 2.5 ton containers

> that have

> > nitrogen pumped into them. Nitrogen is necessary to remove any

> oxygen in the

> > containers, another important step that is taken to maximize

> freshness, as

> > oxygen can damage the valuable fatty acids in cod liver oil.

> >

> > (My note: heat damages oil.)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cold press of oil is good Jan, if the temperature is kept low enough in the

machine and in the room in which the pressing is done. I know this from the

Manitoba people who attempt to be impeccable on this. Hemp is their

'religion'. It's sweet, how devoted they are to the product and to encouraging

organic growing among the farmers in Saskatchewan, and I think it's Alberta.

It's lovely in any industry when quality and integrity really count.

Francine

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[Guest guest]

Wow....I'm glad your happy with hemp oil. I am happy with my green

Pastures CLO. They are also a very responsible religious company.

Check their website sometime if you have an interest. Hopefully,

others will check into the Hemp too.

>

> Cold press of oil is good Jan, if the temperature is kept low

enough in the

> machine and in the room in which the pressing is done. I know this

from the

> Manitoba people who attempt to be impeccable on this. Hemp is their

> 'religion'. It's sweet, how devoted they are to the product and to

encouraging

> organic growing among the farmers in Saskatchewan, and I think it's

Alberta.

>

> It's lovely in any industry when quality and integrity really count.

>

> Francine

>

> epiousian = the expression of agape

>

> quite a bit more than enough

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>

> I would note that Carlson's is not one of the clo's us old timers on

> the group recommend.

Jan,

Actually, I suppose I am an oldtimer and it is the oil I use. Could

you clarify your reasons to people as to why you don't recommend it.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Purity.

You may have to search the old posts or archive but a long time ago,

someone I think maybe , but don't quote me on who researched the

Cod Liver oils, and Carlson's was one of them. The goal was to verify

the purity and the processing, to be sure they were independently

tested to be free of Heavy metals and pcb's. Carlson's was one that

could not product independent testing to show this. So from that

point, it was recommended that Nordic or Green pasture be used as they

were independently tested.

So I do not recommend because purity cannot be verified by a separate

lab. If they were to produce such a lab test, that would be different.

But ultimately it's up to the user and what they feel comfortable

with. I did not feel comfortable with the answers that person was

given by Carlson's.

> >

> > I would note that Carlson's is not one of the clo's us old timers on

> > the group recommend.

>

> Jan,

>

> Actually, I suppose I am an oldtimer and it is the oil I use. Could

> you clarify your reasons to people as to why you don't recommend it.

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

I dug up some old posts, there are probably more:

These are on Onibasu.

This person reported having mercury symptoms after taking it.

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/152232.html

Carlson would not provide a heavy metal assay, claiming it's not

practice to do so, but Nordic has it on their website

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/153239.html

This is the whole list of hits on Onibasu about Carlson's the debate

of their purity:

http://onibasu.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=Carlson%27s+fish+oil & submit=Search! & \

max=20 & sort=score & idxname=am

But again, your choice, I was just relaying my take when someone said

that Carlson's uses heat processing and I was clarifying that I don't

use it and many here don't.

> > >

> > > I would note that Carlson's is not one of the clo's us old timers on

> > > the group recommend.

> >

> > Jan,

> >

> > Actually, I suppose I am an oldtimer and it is the oil I use. Could

> > you clarify your reasons to people as to why you don't recommend it.

> >

> > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I realize it is up to the individual to make a choice and I am

aware of the posts you refer to. I am more comfortable with you not

speaking for all of the " old-timers " on the board. Carlson CLO is

indepedently tested. The tests can only test for so many PPBs and

Carlson meets the standard for that.

My own experience, buying 3 different bottles at 3 different times of

Nordic Naturals has not been good. I had to return/dump all three

bottles because they smelled so very fishy. I also stopped used a

brand recommended by WAP as it didn't work for me. I develop

very " lovely " but handy chicken skin when I'm low in omega 3s and in

switching from Carlson to this other brand, my chicken skin came back

very quickly.

So, although I am aware of Carlson's (stupid IMO) decision not to

provide assays to individual customers, they do have their products

independently tested to standards stringent enough to satisfy me, esp

in regard to vitamin A and D levels.

Anita

> > >

> > > I would note that Carlson's is not one of the clo's us old

timers on

> > > the group recommend.

> >

> > Jan,

> >

> > Actually, I suppose I am an oldtimer and it is the oil I use.

Could

> > you clarify your reasons to people as to why you don't recommend

it.

> >

> > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, we use Green P CLO. I wd be very interested to know your

source for a discount.

Thanks!

olivia

PS - What do you know re the butter oil/clo? It would seem to me that

barring a problem with casein, this is a great product.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would note that Carlson's is not one of the clo's us old

> > timers on

> > > > > the group recommend.

> > > >

> > > > Jan,

> > > >

> > > > Actually, I suppose I am an oldtimer and it is the oil I use.

> > Could

> > > > you clarify your reasons to people as to why you don't

recommend

> > it.

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>