Re: Dr Moulden smiles at Dr Cutler

[Guest guest]

" Fix the liver... " is what Dr. Moulden said...is this a serious reply?

I see that others have talked to him & looked at his site, etc...(To

me,) it would follow, then, that if strokes are suspected, then liver

support would be in order, and there is alot of info on how to address

liver issues, and, these, as a general rule, would not require

extensive testing & " procedures. " ....(Serious, not a tongue in cheek

thing) - how did he get from strokes to liver support & that healing

the liver " addresses " or " would address " the stroke and/or damages???

As the basic, first line, " thing to do? "

In reading the previous post(s), I would not have come up with " liver

support " as a primary thing to do, yk?

wishing all the best answers, elizabeth

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> Fix the liver...

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> ;-)

>

> J. Moulden M.D., Ph.D.   The core essence of " Greater

Things " is that there is always a better way to do things -- anything

-- whether it be religion, politics, science, academia -- anything. To

the extent that we get institutionalized and codified in a set belief

system, is the extent that we inhibit the ability to grow and learn

new and better ways.  

>

n

[Guest guest]

Thank you, - was wondering if it was just me ...wishing you

the best answers, elizabeth

> >

> > Fix the liver...

> >

> > ;-)

> >

> > J. Moulden M.D., Ph.D. The core essence of " Greater

> Things " is that there is always a better way to do things -- anything

> -- whether it be religion, politics, science, academia -- anything. To

> the extent that we get institutionalized and codified in a set belief

> system, is the extent that we inhibit the ability to grow and learn

> new and better ways.

> >

> n

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I am making a decision to try something new for my son I look

at many different factors. Some of these may include:

1. Is there research reports and published scientific evidence to

support the product/theory?? There is certain scientific evidence

for autism and mercury poisoning in the literature.

2. Is there approval by FDA or other government regulatory

bodies? (DMSA for example is approved by FDA for metal removal)

3. Is there input from relevant specialists and professionals whom

have expertise and whose opinions may validate research findings??

(Andy would be considered an expert on chelation and there are other

MD's whom support it as well and are considered experts-so therefore

there are multiple experts that support chelation for autism)

4. Lastly, would look at antidotal patient/parent information from

using the product. There are many parents on this site alone that

have seen improvements or recovery from chelation. There are also

other sites dedicated to recovery by chelation (as well as diet and

supplements).

So Dr Moulden it looks like you have quite a bit of work to do!!

Andy has already done lots of work and his work meets my standards!!

Kay

[Guest guest]

If fixing the liver by chelation worked, then the brain would be fixed

by chelation as well - as I have yet to assess a group of autistic

children before and after chelation using our BrainGuardMD.com

technologies, then I am not in a position to state whether or not

chelation, truly fixes the neurological problem, or the liver for that

matter. This is a multi-organ phenomena we are dealing with here. The

mystery question it would appear is " what organ must we fix first in

order to achieve fixes everywhere else. " When you are dealing with a

systemic injury from a common mechanism of injury, as precipitated by

vaccination, then, as it is, all organs are affected by the same

physiological process that has caused harm..to the brain, the liver,

and the kidneys and the bowel. All you have to do is figure out which

organ to fix first, or if you must fix all organs independently.

Remarkably, if chelation was the sole solution; then chelation, as per

the argument in this blog of " chelate to fix the liver " , would fix

the liver as implied, and then fix the kidneys and the brain. Since

this has not happened, then it suggests that chelation is neither

fixing the brain, nor the liver, nor the kidney. If chelation was the

magic cure all bullet - then after you have chelated an individual,

you should not have to chelate again - after all, apparently chelation

fixes the liver..and the kidneys, and the brain?/ This is not so.

Chelation addresses only one symptom (inability to complex and excrete

heavy metals) from the pathophysiological process, as triggered by

vaccination (or infectious disease, adjuvants, mercury preservatives,

or toxins..) . Treating a symptom, does not cure or address the

underlying cause of a muli-organ disease or disorder. The question

remains then: " what organ do we fix first, and how do we fix this, and

what do we fix it with and will fixing one organ then fix all the

other organs that were damaged by a singular systemic cause?

When you invent " the microscope " to neurological damage that no one

else has - you can describe and follow a neurological world that no

one else can - but then, for those who wish your help, you can then

share these observations that no one else can see...but then, thoise

you share this with can see it to...

Coincidentally, when you can nbow see the neurological damage from

vaccine induced autism, yu can tell, most clearly, whether a

particular intervention (like chelation), actually stands up to the

alleged claims of " neurological recovery. " As we now see, there are

improvements in behavior and function with chelation, but most

remarkably, we have yet to see any recovery of the core neurological

damage. We sincerely invite anyone who claims recovery from chelation

to the core neurological damage to send us video and pictures from

before and after chelation - if chelation is a cure for autism (at the

neurological and brain level) - then we will see it...

We look forward to validating these so-called " curea " and " recovery "

that p[eople have been promoting for autistic children.

Once again, my open invitation goes out to trest Dr Cutler's methods

and " put them to empirical validation " - if chelation is curing

autism, and if mercury chelation cures the neurological damage we can

now measure -then more power to these methods.

The sad reality now is this: Anyone who claims to have some " new and

improved " technique or method for curing autism - we can tell you

whether you just flushed your money down the drain for yet another

" cure " that has only alleviated symptoms, and not directly addressed

the hard the neurological cause of the autistic features.

Since the kidneys are adversely affected, chelation is helpful to

remove toxins from the body that the kidneys can longer remove on

their own. However,sicne mercury toxicity is NOT the cause of autism,

then this is not a cure but a symptom management intervention.

www.BrainGuardMD.com team

BrainGuardMD.com Neurodevelopmental report and Strategy

Via: email � " October 15th, 2008

Good am XXXXX;

We have been Working on XXXXXX’s images you have uploaded.

Thank-you for your organization and the detailed dates for all the photos.

We definitely see the " MASS " response in XXXXX. The ischemic process

first kicked in (mildly) around two months of age. This process and

the brain injuries were not apparent in the earlier photos.

At 3 months of age, the process was still active, at least in terms of

the micro vascular damage that was occurring. We see this largely in

terms of the right brainstem micro vascular territories being occluded

and affecting neurological functional controls of the XXXXXXX

architecture.

At nine months of age, the micro vascular ischemic " MASS " response,

relative to the brain, remained and it is from this point forward that

neurological damage has remained in terms of the adverse effects on

cognitive, motor, and sensory functions.

Several cranial nerves, in watershed vascular territories, have been

adversely affected. This includes the X,Xth, and X cranial nerves (on

the right).

You may notice that your son likely tilts his head slightly to the

left, more times than not, while he attempts to focus images within

the field of gaze. This is an unconscious adaptive response in order

to align the visual inputs from the eyes to compensate for a slight

vertical gaze palsy stemming largely from the XXXXXX. This

misalignment of the visual inputs, although not immediately

perceptible to yourselves, results from the ischemic damage to the

capillary vascular beds in the brain from the vaccine induced

hypersensitivity response which ultimately has caused multiple areas

of the brain (and other organ systems) to sustain hypoxic (lack of

oxygen) delivery through the end arterial capillary beds.

This MASS response, and ischemic process, is responsible for your

son’s autistic features and inability to speak. The M.A.S.S. (Moulden

Anoxia Spectra Syndrome) response to vaccination has also clipped the

micro vascular capillary beds in other areas of the brain. This, in

turn, has created your son’s inability to produce meaningful, fluent,

speech., affected sensory processing, motor functions, and likely

balance, coordination, and muscle tone.

Please note that much of these adverse effects in terms of brain

function is accounted by the term “disconnection syndromes.â€

Essentially, the connecting white matter tracts between various areas

of the brain have been disconnected from their ultimate destination by

virtue of the ischemic “MASS†process. This is called an expressive

aphasia in neuropsychology. A variation of this phenomena is known as

“isolation of speech syndrome†or ‘transcortical motor aphasia†if

language comprehension and verbal repetition skills remain intact.

Do note that despite your best efforts, expressive language functions,

as well as varied neuromotor and sensory functions, will not recover

until the body (and liver) is properly healed such that these vascular

beds can re-form. These micro vascular end-artery beds are required

for the white matter tracts to “plug-in†to the varied brain regions

required to complete the circuits necessary for several functions that

have been hampered for XXXXX, one of which is expressive language

skills. Do note that micro vascular territories in the kidney have

likely been adversely affected by the MASS response and this, in turn,

may contribute to the inability to excrete various toxins and heavy

metals without help (i.e. chelation).

The MASS process affects not only the brain (autism), but also the

liver, the kidneys, the bowel, the pancreas, and other organ systems.

The is large variability between individuals as to the degree to which

functional deficits in any particular organ system, including the

brain, exists.

Please note that the neurological damage XXXXXl suffered at 2 to 3

months of age, remained through 9 months of age, with a partial

(albeit incomplete) recovery by twelve months of age. There appears to

have been another significant ischemic MASS response that was further

exacerbated by the 18 month period with further neurological

compromise � " the effects of which remain to this day. Please note that

microvascular territories that have been previously compromised by

MASS renders the same tissue area uniquely susceptible to further

“hits†when the MASS hypersensitivity response is re-activated by

subsequent vaccinations and immune challenges.

It appears that the MMR and Varivax vaccinations at 13 months of age

triggered the MASS response again and this, in turn, has caused

further damage to the micro vascular trees, and ultimately

neurocognitive functions for XXXX.

BrainGuardMD detects a significant change in neurological functioning

in the transition from the 18 month to 20 month photos with marked

flattening of facial animation, increasing asymmetry in facial

architecture (once again the right brainstem being preferentially

affected) photo at 20 months of age, including measures of

neurological dysfunction that remain proprietary to BrainGuardMD.com.

By 44 months, the neurological damage is readily apparent and once

again this is most marked for the micro vascular territories of the

right brainstem. These same areas were initially compromised at two

months of age. Do note that the MASS response, upon repetitive

environmental triggers by (vaccination, infectious disease, toxins

etc..) or and/or residual vaccine adjutants (aluminum) and

preservatives (mercury) will preferentially affect the tissue areas

that have previously been compromised in terms of their breadth and

redundancy of micro vascular arborization. It is for this reason that

we see a cumulative and preferential decompensation in neurological

functionality specific to the right brainstem as imaged using our

BrainGuardMD technologies.

Do note that this “Right Brainstem†area is simply a window to what is

happening in clinically silent ways to other areas in the nervous

system and body that have also had their micro vascular trees

“clipped†by the “MASS†response to vaccination.

Do note that the neurological damage we see has remained relatively

constant between the photos from seven years of age up to the most

recent photo at ten years of age. There has been some slight increase

in the degree of ischemic damage to the right brainstem as detected in

one of our BraingGuardMD.com measures over the past three years.

The bottom line is this: although you may have been using and trying a

multitude of “interventions†over the years � " Nothing you have done,

to this point, has reversed the core neurological damage we can see

that began as around two months of age. This is important information

for you to have as it demonstrates that, despite good intentions, and

funds yu have spent in good will, the interventions have used up to

this point have not recovered the core neurological impediments that

have been adversely affected by the MASS response � " to vaccination,

in your child.

You are dealing with a stroke rehabilitation individual in terms of

your attempts to help XXXXX recover lost functionality and language

skills. Anything that is accepted as beneficial in the stroke rehab

literature will presumptively be helpful for XXXXX. Anything you have

tried, supplements or otherwise, up until this point, has NOT reversed

the core neurological damage we can now see and measure.

BrainGuardMD.com and AMassNetwork.com Solutions

We are interested in helping your child recover & measure this

recovery with our Techniques:

We are interested in moving forward with our intervention protocol

with XXXXXl. Please note that this protocol involves out tailor making

a solution for XXXXX specific to his physiology as we delineate from

the blood work parameters we assess. And will require you to obtain.

The protocol involves:

1) We require a current 30 second video clip of XXXXX tracking an

object through extremes of horizontal and vertical gaze (looking left,

looking right, looking up, looking down, smiling etc…). This can be

uploaded to our BrainGuardMD.com site.

2) After we have this, we will quantify XXXXX current neurological

functions based on our BrainGuardMD 12 measure of neurotypicality.

These measures reflect the neurological damage XXXX has already

sustained from vaccine injuries � " re: the ischemic stroke process.

3) We will need you to complete the medical history questionnaire we

provide (lifestyle analysis).

4) We will have you complete the blood work we require at a lab in

your area.

5) We will process the blood work. AFTER we have reviewed the blood

work it is at this point we can definitively state whether or not we

can provide an intervention for XXXXX that he can consume on a three

times a day (30 minutes before meals) schedule. After twelve days we

will need to repeat the blood work. We will be able to show you that

the values are normalizing (these values normalize the same way for

everyone � " as long as the intervention is tailored specific to the

patient’s physiological needs as assessed by the blood work). If these

values are not normalizing as we expect, then we shall reconstitute

and start again.

6) After this second blood work is processed, we will re-constitute

the next phase of intervention (herbal � " all approved as safe for

human consumption) that continues to heal XXXXX’ hepatic functions

which is necessary for healing the bone marrow, immune, and

neurovascular anomalies that have emerged from the MASS response and

vaccine injury.

7) We use repeat 30 second video clips to monitor the improvement in

neurological function with our intervention so as to have quantifiable

measures of the successful response to intervention that are

neurological based reflecting the original neurological damage that

XXXX has sustained from vaccination.

8) Do note that the older the vaccine injured person is, relative to

the vaccine injury, the longer it takes for the body and physiology to

heal. The bottom line is that healing does take place and we will be

able to share this with you in terms of the normalizing metabolic

values from the blood work as well as the neurological features we now

have measured from BrainGuardMD.com.

Additional Photos would be helpful for our baseline measured for your son:

1. Please send me a picture with XXXXX tilting his head to the right

(30 degrees tilt and one with his right ear touching his right

shoulder while looking direct at the camera).

2. Please send a 30 second video clip of your son wherein he is

looking straight at the camera, tracking an object through visual

space (i.e. have him follow your finger as he looks all the way ;left,

all the way right a few times, as well as looking straight up towards

the ceiling, and straight down towards the floor).

Please feel free to call directly to discuss this report and our

findings. I welcome addressing any questions you and your husband may

have.

There is hope. I recognize this information is rather disconcerting,

Please bear in mind that the first step in solving any problem in

clinical medicine is knowing what the problem is in physiology. With

this knowledge, we are in a position to truly start helping XXXX by

targeting interventions specific to the cause of his neurodevelopment

challenges and vaccine injuries.

Please note that if you have a newborn child, that we can now use

BrainGuardMD to scan, pictures, and video, to identify the MASS

response that will lead to sudden infant death (before the child stops

breathing) and identify the MASS response (a medical emergency) that

is actively causing silent brain damage in the here and now that will

later be diagnosed as autism, learning disabilities, attention deficit

disorders, infantile paralysis, adverse vaccine reaction, or sudden death.

Kind regards,

Dr J. Moulden BA, MA, M.D., Ph.D.

President & CEO CNAPS Medical devices Inc.

drmoulden@...

1-705-498-6284

> >

> > Fix the liver...

> >

> > ;-)

> >

> > J. Moulden M.D., Ph.D. The core essence of " Greater

> Things " is that there is always a better way to do things -- anything

> -- whether it be religion, politics, science, academia -- anything. To

> the extent that we get institutionalized and codified in a set belief

> system, is the extent that we inhibit the ability to grow and learn

> new and better ways.

> >

> n

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Moulden,

If your idea is really good you can start your own group for

strokes and autism on groups. If you are confident you should be

thinking, " If I build it they will come " .

If you want to stay on this group which is autism mercury then

here is how you can chelate:

Use DMSA and ALA every 3 hours in daytime and 4 hours at night time

from Friday-Monday. You could do every weekend or every other weekend.

Many people on this site are good at dosages and supplements that will

help with chelation.

So are you interested in chelation as that is what we mostly talk about

at ?? (Also just so you know Andy does not

recommend chelating if you have fillings, do you have any fillings??)

Kay

[Guest guest]

Kay,

Genius.

And helpful.

But perhaps Frequent-Dose-Chelation is more appropriate. Haven't

witnessed true stimming yet.

<----- yes I know this is ironic

>Dr. Moulden,

>

>If your idea is really good you can start your own group for

>strokes and autism on groups. If you are confident you should be

>thinking, " If I build it they will come " .

>

>If you want to stay on this group which is autism mercury then

>here is how you can chelate:

>

>Use DMSA and ALA every 3 hours in daytime and 4 hours at night time

>from Friday-Monday. You could do every weekend or every other weekend.

>

>Many people on this site are good at dosages and supplements that will

>help with chelation.

>

>So are you interested in chelation as that is what we mostly talk about

>at ?? (Also just so you know Andy does not

>recommend chelating if you have fillings, do you have any fillings??)

>

>Kay

>

>

--

Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

[Guest guest]

, I forgot to update my profile that quote is really my old

favorite. My newest favorite quote is:

The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest

patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and

prevention of disease. "

-- A. Edison

I have now updated my profile with my new quote!!

Kay

[Guest guest]

Now who's being negative? ;-)

>

> I dont think your going to find that here.

>

> �38 and Mom to three

> Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

> Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

> Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: Dr Moulden smiles at Dr

Cutler

>

>

> , I forgot to update my profile that quote is really my old

> favorite. My newest favorite quote is:

>

> The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest

> patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause and

> prevention of disease. "

> -- A. Edison

>

> I have now updated my profile with my new quote!!

>

> Kay

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kay,

Genius.

And helpful.

But perhaps Frequent-Dose-Chelation is more appropriate.

Haven't witnessed stimming yet.

;-) <----- yes I know this is ironic

>

> Dr. Moulden,

>

> If your idea is really good you can start your own group for

> strokes and autism on groups. If you are confident you should be

> thinking, " If I build it they will come " .

>

> If you want to stay on this group which is autism mercury then

> here is how you can chelate:

>

> Use DMSA and ALA every 3 hours in daytime and 4 hours at night time

> from Friday-Monday. You could do every weekend or every other weekend.

>

>

> Many people on this site are good at dosages and supplements that will

> help with chelation.

>

> So are you interested in chelation as that is what we mostly talk about

> at ?? (Also just so you know Andy does not

> recommend chelating if you have fillings, do you have any fillings??)

>

>

> Kay

>

[Guest guest]

:

On another group, I asked you everything you did. You listed several

supplements that make the body work better, kill pathogens, increase blood-flow,

etc. You say your child took these over a year's time. I think is mis-leading

to say that only chelation recovered your child, when you used more than

only chelation. I support chelation, but not by itself. I think to get the

most success, we need to share everything, not represent as if we did only one

thing. I do think that removing mercury can lead to a reversal of

neurological damage, but please disclose that you did more than just chelation.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

" I don't know anything that would measure the lack of neurological damage

better than these actual reports. I contend that removing the mercury DID cure

the neurological damage and that the mercury WAS the cause for the cluster of

symptoms that psychologists call Autism.

What else can I think, what other conclusion can I draw? "

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[Guest guest]

Kudos..

Great new quote!!!!

Two thumbs up!!!!

R

>

> , I forgot to update my profile that quote is really my old

> favorite. My newest favorite quote is:

>

> The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest

> patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause

and

> prevention of disease. "

> -- A. Edison

>

> I have now updated my profile with my new quote!!

>

> Kay

>

[Guest guest]

I like it too.

(It's on the front page of my website. <wink>)

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

> >

> > , I forgot to update my profile that quote is really my old

> > favorite. My newest favorite quote is:

> >

> > The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest

> > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the cause

> and

> > prevention of disease. "

> > -- A. Edison

> >

> > I have now updated my profile with my new quote!!

> >

> > Kay

> >

>

[Guest guest]

J - " hurrah-ish " chuckling - words elude...if you were in front

of me, I could sooooo totally do that " smoochy kiss'g with both hands

on someone's head " thing that means " Total kudos! to you " - aaahhhh,

to be just that kind of soooo articulate beautiful. you rock.

wishing you the best answers, elizabeth

> >

> > If fixing the liver by chelation worked, then the brain would be

> fixed

> > by chelation as well - as I have yet to assess a group of autistic

> > children before and after chelation using our BrainGuardMD.com

> > technologies,

>

>

> If you ever do assess a group of autistic children, be sure to assess

> a group that is had picked by Andy. There are so many people who are

> chelating incorrectly - only Andy's chelation methods are safe, and

> only Andy can determine if the people are chelating correctly.

>

> I wouldn't want you to come to false conclusions based on inaccurate

> methods.

>

>

>

> > then I am not in a position to state whether or not

> > chelation, truly fixes the neurological problem, or the liver for

> that

> > matter.

>

>

> There are numerous examples of kids who have recovered. Parents have

> been posting the stories for years and they are in the archives in

> this group. Some are telling you the stories in recent messages.

>

>

>

>

> This is a multi-organ phenomena we are dealing with here. The

> > mystery question it would appear is " what organ must we fix first in

> > order to achieve fixes everywhere else. "

>

>

> Chelation removes the metals from all organs, as long as the

> chelation is done properly. Healing comes next with the proper

> support.

>

>

>

> When you are dealing with a

> > systemic injury from a common mechanism of injury, as precipitated

> by

> > vaccination, then, as it is, all organs are affected by the same

> > physiological process that has caused harm..to the brain, the liver,

> > and the kidneys and the bowel. All you have to do is figure out

> which

> > organ to fix first, or if you must fix all organs independently.

> >

>

>

> You will find that parents in this group chelate to remove the cause

> (metal poisoning) and are constantly working on finding the

> appropriate support for various organs. It can be a complicated

> process.

>

> As a mercury poisoned adult I am doing the same thing. I have to

> chelate to remove the mercury. I have to use diet, supplement, and

> medication strategies to support all organs.

>

>

>

>

> > Remarkably, if chelation was the sole solution; then chelation, as

> per

> > the argument in this blog of " chelate to fix the liver " , would fix

> > the liver as implied, and then fix the kidneys and the brain.

>

>

> If you read Andy's " Amalgam Illness " book you would find that he

> discusses support of all organs. Support is a part of " chelation " as

> the people who chelate with Andy's protocol know it.

>

>

>

>

> Since

> > this has not happened,

>

>

> What you are stating is a false belief. You think this has not

> happened when in fact it has.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> then it suggests that chelation is neither

> > fixing the brain, nor the liver, nor the kidney.

>

>

>

> Chelation is removing the cause and with appropriate support the raw

> materials are supplied to give the body what it needs to heal.

>

>

>

>

> If chelation was the

> > magic cure all bullet - then after you have chelated an individual,

> > you should not have to chelate again -

>

>

>

> And this is what you will find if you talk to adults who have

> chelated and recovered, or the parents of children who have been

> chelated and recovered.

>

>

>

> after all, apparently chelation

> > fixes the liver..and the kidneys, and the brain?/ This is not so.

>

>

>

> Again, you are stating a false belief. You believe that this is not

> so. Chelation removes the problem metals that are damaging all

> organs, and the proper support during chelation provides the raw

> materials that the body needs to heal from the damage that the metals

> caused.

>

>

>

>

> > Chelation addresses only one symptom (inability to complex and

> excrete

> > heavy metals) from the pathophysiological process, as triggered by

> > vaccination (or infectious disease, adjuvants, mercury

> preservatives,

> > or toxins..) . Treating a symptom, does not cure or address the

> > underlying cause of a muli-organ disease or disorder.

>

>

> What you are doing is calling the presence of heavy metals in the

> body a symptom. They are actually a cause of problems.

>

>

>

>

> The question

> > remains then: " what organ do we fix first, and how do we fix this,

> and

> > what do we fix it with and will fixing one organ then fix all the

> > other organs that were damaged by a singular systemic cause?

> >

>

>

> This is the question that you are asking, when in fact with chelation

> and proper support (as I said earlier, Andy includes proper support

> in his chelation protocol) all organs are addressed at the same time.

>

> Why is there a need to " fix " one at a time? Why not fix all at once.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > When you invent " the microscope " to neurological damage that no one

> > else has - you can describe and follow a neurological world that no

> > one else can - but then, for those who wish your help, you can then

> > share these observations that no one else can see...but then, thoise

> > you share this with can see it to...

> >

> >

> > Coincidentally, when you can nbow see the neurological damage from

> > vaccine induced autism, yu can tell, most clearly, whether a

> > particular intervention (like chelation), actually stands up to the

> > alleged claims of " neurological recovery. "

>

>

>

> There are other methods of determining whether or not neurological

> recovery has occured. When the symptoms of neurological damage

> disappear, and do not return, can we not say that recovery has

> occured?

>

> There are many examples of kids who have had an autism diagnosis and

> have lost their diagnosis after chelation to go on to lead normal

> lives.

>

> There are also many examples of adults who have chelated with Andy's

> protocol and lost neurological symptoms.

>

> I must warn that chelation with any other protocol besides Andy's

> will lead to worsening rather that recovery.

>

>

>

>

> As we now see, there are

> > improvements in behavior and function with chelation, but most

> > remarkably, we have yet to see any recovery of the core neurological

> > damage.

>

>

> Correction - you have yet to see. Many others have already seen what

> you have not seen yet.

>

>

>

> We sincerely invite anyone who claims recovery from chelation

> > to the core neurological damage to send us video and pictures from

> > before and after chelation -

>

>

>

> Be careful in this. I would only examine videos that Andy has

> knowledge of. As I said before, there are many people who have

> chelated incorrectly. Only Andy can assess this.

>

> I admit that there are other things in vaccines that do damage

> people. The mercury in thimerosal is a big one, as we can all see

> when we examine the archives in this group.

>

> J

>

>

> if chelation is a cure for autism (at the

> > neurological and brain level) - then we will see it...

> > We look forward to validating these so-called " curea " and " recovery "

> > that p[eople have been promoting for autistic children.

> >

> > Once again, my open invitation goes out to trest Dr Cutler's methods

> > and " put them to empirical validation " - if chelation is curing

> > autism, and if mercury chelation cures the neurological damage we

> can

> > now measure -then more power to these methods.

> >

> > The sad reality now is this: Anyone who claims to have some " new and

> > improved " technique or method for curing autism - we can tell you

> > whether you just flushed your money down the drain for yet another

> > " cure " that has only alleviated symptoms, and not directly addressed

> > the hard the neurological cause of the autistic features.

> >

> > Since the kidneys are adversely affected, chelation is helpful to

> > remove toxins from the body that the kidneys can longer remove on

> > their own. However,sicne mercury toxicity is NOT the cause of

> autism,

> > then this is not a cure but a symptom management intervention.

> >

> > www.BrainGuardMD.com team

> >

> >

> > BrainGuardMD.com Neurodevelopmental report and Strategy

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good idea.. I think I will add it to mine as well..

R

> > >

> > > , I forgot to update my profile that quote is really my old

> > > favorite. My newest favorite quote is:

> > >

> > > The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will

interest

> > > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the

cause

> > and

> > > prevention of disease. "

> > > -- A. Edison

> > >

> > > I have now updated my profile with my new quote!!

> > >

> > > Kay

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't know you had a website. What's the link?

Michele

http://www.healthgazelle.org

http://www.kidslikemine.org

> > > >

> > > > , I forgot to update my profile that quote is really my old

> > > > favorite. My newest favorite quote is:

> > > >

> > > > The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will

> interest

> > > > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet, and in the

> cause

> > > and

> > > > prevention of disease. "

> > > > -- A. Edison

> > > >

> > > > I have now updated my profile with my new quote!!

> > > >

> > > > Kay

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How do you know M. is not licensed to practice?

Ross schrieb:

>

> When (illiterate) self-promotion efforts exceed actual substantive

> information (see Mr. Moulden's website, CV), one has to wonder about

> underlying personality pathologies. Watching video leaves no doubt.

>

> There are no advertised peer-reviewed published journal articles. In

> fact most papers bear the mark " intellectual property--holding from

> publication " . One has to wonder why the need for personal protection

> seems to override the understanding that peer review and

> accountability is essential for credibility.

>

> Despite the " MD " , despite the " LMCC " , this man is NOT licensed to

> PRACTISE medicine in the province of Ontario by the Ontario College

> of Physicians, and therefore is not accountable to anyone.

>

> I suppose the " Genius or megalomaniac? " argument has been applied to

> many breakthrough theorists. But when the individual is running for

> political office, and stands to gain from the promotion and sales of

> a product/service ( " BrainGuard " ), the question is moot.

>

> >From Mr. Moulden's CV: " I look forward to ... providing viable

> opportunities for the Canadian economy. " Thank you for your candor.

>

> --

> Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> <

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>How do you know M. is not licensed to practice?

Simple member search at the licensing body for Ontario, the province

Moulder claims to live in, at least for election purposes. The

College of Physicians & Surgeons of Ontario is the equivalent of the

US states' licensing boards, mandated by law (Ontario Regulated

Health Professions Act, 1991).

http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm

http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST

In fact, what Moulder is doing, not only providing a medical

diagnosis without a license, but also using the title " Doctor " " in

the course of providing or offering to provide health care to

individuals, " is illegal in Ontario, according to Ontario Regulated

Health Professions Act, 1991:

>27. (1) No person shall perform a controlled act set out in

>subsection (2) in the course of providing health care services to an

>individual unless,

>

> (a) the person is a member authorized by a health

>profession Act to perform the controlled act; or

>

> ( the performance of the controlled act has been

>delegated to the person by a member described in clause (a). 1991,

>c. 18, s. 27 (1); 1998, c. 18, Sched. G, s. 6.

>

>Controlled acts

>

> (2) A " controlled act " is any one of the following done with

>respect to an individual:

> 1. Communicating to the individual or his or her

>personal representative a diagnosis identifying a disease or

>disorder as the cause of symptoms of the individual in circumstances

>in which it is reasonably foreseeable that the individual or his or

>her personal representative will rely on the diagnosis.

and

> 33. (1) Except as allowed in the regulations under this Act,

>no person shall use the title " doctor " , a variation or abbreviation

>or an equivalent in another language in the course of providing or

>offering to provide, in Ontario, health care to individuals.

>

> (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is a member of,

>

> (a) the College of Chiropractors of Ontario;

> ( the College of Optometrists of Ontario;

> © the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario;

> (d) the College of Psychologists of Ontario; or

> (e) the Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario.

and

> 40. (1) Every person who contravenes subsection 27 (1) or 30

>(1) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of

>not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than

>six months, or to both. 1991, c. 18, s. 40 (1).

>

> (2) Every person who contravenes section 31, 32 or 33 or

>subsection 34 (2) or 34.1 (2) is guilty of an offence and on

>conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $5,000 for a first

>offence and not more than $10,000 for a subsequent offence. 1991,

>c. 18, s. 40 (2); 2000, c. 42, Sched., s. 32 (1).

>

I am resisting renaming this thread " Moulden is going to jail. "

--

Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

[Guest guest]

I'm sure he's aware of this. Are you allowed to offer free advice on the

internet if you are not a physician, in which case everyone here should

be careful.

best,

Ross schrieb:

>

> >How do you know M. is not licensed to practice?

>

> Simple member search at the licensing body for Ontario, the province

> Moulder claims to live in, at least for election purposes. The

> College of Physicians & Surgeons of Ontario is the equivalent of the

> US states' licensing boards, mandated by law (Ontario Regulated

> Health Professions Act, 1991).

>

> http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm

> <http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm>

> http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST

> <http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST>

>

> In fact, what Moulder is doing, not only providing a medical

> diagnosis without a license, but also using the title " Doctor " " in

> the course of providing or offering to provide health care to

> individuals, " is illegal in Ontario, according to Ontario Regulated

> Health Professions Act, 1991:

>

> >27. (1) No person shall perform a controlled act set out in

> >subsection (2) in the course of providing health care services to an

> >individual unless,

> >

> > (a) the person is a member authorized by a health

> >profession Act to perform the controlled act; or

> >

> > ( the performance of the controlled act has been

> >delegated to the person by a member described in clause (a). 1991,

> >c. 18, s. 27 (1); 1998, c. 18, Sched. G, s. 6.

> >

> >Controlled acts

> >

> > (2) A " controlled act " is any one of the following done with

> >respect to an individual:

> > 1. Communicating to the individual or his or her

> >personal representative a diagnosis identifying a disease or

> >disorder as the cause of symptoms of the individual in circumstances

> >in which it is reasonably foreseeable that the individual or his or

> >her personal representative will rely on the diagnosis.

>

> and

>

> > 33. (1) Except as allowed in the regulations under this Act,

> >no person shall use the title " doctor " , a variation or abbreviation

> >or an equivalent in another language in the course of providing or

> >offering to provide, in Ontario, health care to individuals.

> >

> > (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is a member of,

> >

> > (a) the College of Chiropractors of Ontario;

> > ( the College of Optometrists of Ontario;

> > © the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario;

> > (d) the College of Psychologists of Ontario; or

> > (e) the Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario.

>

> and

>

> > 40. (1) Every person who contravenes subsection 27 (1) or 30

> >(1) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of

> >not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than

> >six months, or to both. 1991, c. 18, s. 40 (1).

> >

> > (2) Every person who contravenes section 31, 32 or 33 or

> >subsection 34 (2) or 34.1 (2) is guilty of an offence and on

> >conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $5,000 for a first

> >offence and not more than $10,000 for a subsequent offence. 1991,

> >c. 18, s. 40 (2); 2000, c. 42, Sched., s. 32 (1).

> >

>

> I am resisting renaming this thread " Moulden is going to jail. "

>

>

>

> --

> Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

>

> <

>

>

>

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18:01

>

[Guest guest]

>I'm sure he's aware of this. Are you allowed to offer free advice on the

>internet if you are not a physician, in which case everyone here should

>be careful.

If you are based in Ontario, no, you are not allowed to provide a

medical diagnostic, on the web, or anywhere else.

Free advice is NOT the same free information, and can take many

forms. Providing the results of quantified research is acceptable.

Saying whether someone else is autistic or not, based on an

evaluation is not.

Whether he's aware or not is irrelevant, except when it comes to a

prison sentencing.

>best,

>

>

>

> Ross schrieb:

>>

>> >How do you know M. is not licensed to practice?

>>

>> Simple member search at the licensing body for Ontario, the province

>> Moulder claims to live in, at least for election purposes. The

>> College of Physicians & Surgeons of Ontario is the equivalent of the

>> US states' licensing boards, mandated by law (Ontario Regulated

>> Health Professions Act, 1991).

>>

>>

>><http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm>http://www.cpso.on.ca/Abo\

ut_the_College/geninfo.htm

>>

>><<http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm>http://www.cpso.on.ca/Ab\

out_the_College/geninfo.htm>

>>

>><http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST>http://www.cpso.on\

..ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST

>>

>><<http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST>http://www.cpso.o\

n.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST>

>>

>> In fact, what Moulder is doing, not only providing a medical

>> diagnosis without a license, but also using the title " Doctor " " in

>> the course of providing or offering to provide health care to

>> individuals, " is illegal in Ontario, according to Ontario Regulated

>> Health Professions Act, 1991:

>>

>> >27. (1) No person shall perform a controlled act set out in

>> >subsection (2) in the course of providing health care services to an

>> >individual unless,

>> >

>> > (a) the person is a member authorized by a health

>> >profession Act to perform the controlled act; or

>> >

>> > ( the performance of the controlled act has been

>> >delegated to the person by a member described in clause (a). 1991,

>> >c. 18, s. 27 (1); 1998, c. 18, Sched. G, s. 6.

>> >

>> >Controlled acts

>> >

>> > (2) A " controlled act " is any one of the following done with

>> >respect to an individual:

>> > 1. Communicating to the individual or his or her

>> >personal representative a diagnosis identifying a disease or

>> >disorder as the cause of symptoms of the individual in circumstances

>> >in which it is reasonably foreseeable that the individual or his or

>> >her personal representative will rely on the diagnosis.

>>

>> and

>>

>> > 33. (1) Except as allowed in the regulations under this Act,

>> >no person shall use the title " doctor " , a variation or abbreviation

>> >or an equivalent in another language in the course of providing or

>> >offering to provide, in Ontario, health care to individuals.

>> >

>> > (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is a member of,

>> >

>> > (a) the College of Chiropractors of Ontario;

>> > ( the College of Optometrists of Ontario;

>> > © the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario;

>> > (d) the College of Psychologists of Ontario; or

>> > (e) the Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario.

>>

>> and

>>

>> > 40. (1) Every person who contravenes subsection 27 (1) or 30

>> >(1) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of

>> >not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than

>> >six months, or to both. 1991, c. 18, s. 40 (1).

>> >

>> > (2) Every person who contravenes section 31, 32 or 33 or

>> >subsection 34 (2) or 34.1 (2) is guilty of an offence and on

>> >conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $5,000 for a first

>> >offence and not more than $10,000 for a subsequent offence. 1991,

>> >c. 18, s. 40 (2); 2000, c. 42, Sched., s. 32 (1).

>> >

>>

>> I am resisting renaming this thread " Moulden is going to jail. "

> >

>>

>>

>> --

>> Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

>>

>><

G4Piwegs

>>

>><<

FG4Piwegs>

>>

>>

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>>

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>

--

Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

[Guest guest]

None of us are using MD behind our name or Dr. in front, driving people

to a pay for diagnosis website under the guise of giving medical

advice. We are parents sharing advice from personal experience. As of

yet, there are no laws against that. There is also a disclaimer on the

front page of the message board akin to the supplement disclaimer.

We all know how to you the delete button, too.

Me thinks the girl does protest too much

DELETE

JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote:

>

> I'm sure he's aware of this. Are you allowed to offer free advice on the

> internet if you are not a physician, in which case everyone here should

> be careful.

>

> best,

>

>

>

> Ross schrieb:

> >

> > >How do you know M. is not licensed to practice?

> >

> > Simple member search at the licensing body for Ontario, the province

> > Moulder claims to live in, at least for election purposes. The

> > College of Physicians & Surgeons of Ontario is the equivalent of the

> > US states' licensing boards, mandated by law (Ontario Regulated

> > Health Professions Act, 1991).

> >

> > http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm

> <http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm>

> > <http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm

> <http://www.cpso.on.ca/About_the_College/geninfo.htm>>

> > http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST

> <http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST>

> > <http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST

> <http://www.cpso.on.ca/Doctor_Search/adv_srch.asp?SCR=FIRST>>

> >

> > In fact, what Moulder is doing, not only providing a medical

> > diagnosis without a license, but also using the title " Doctor " " in

> > the course of providing or offering to provide health care to

> > individuals, " is illegal in Ontario, according to Ontario Regulated

> > Health Professions Act, 1991:

> >

> > >27. (1) No person shall perform a controlled act set out in

> > >subsection (2) in the course of providing health care services to an

> > >individual unless,

> > >

> > > (a) the person is a member authorized by a health

> > >profession Act to perform the controlled act; or

> > >

> > > ( the performance of the controlled act has been

> > >delegated to the person by a member described in clause (a). 1991,

> > >c. 18, s. 27 (1); 1998, c. 18, Sched. G, s. 6.

> > >

> > >Controlled acts

> > >

> > > (2) A " controlled act " is any one of the following done with

> > >respect to an individual:

> > > 1. Communicating to the individual or his or her

> > >personal representative a diagnosis identifying a disease or

> > >disorder as the cause of symptoms of the individual in circumstances

> > >in which it is reasonably foreseeable that the individual or his or

> > >her personal representative will rely on the diagnosis.

> >

> > and

> >

> > > 33. (1) Except as allowed in the regulations under this Act,

> > >no person shall use the title " doctor " , a variation or abbreviation

> > >or an equivalent in another language in the course of providing or

> > >offering to provide, in Ontario, health care to individuals.

> > >

> > > (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a person who is a member of,

> > >

> > > (a) the College of Chiropractors of Ontario;

> > > ( the College of Optometrists of Ontario;

> > > © the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario;

> > > (d) the College of Psychologists of Ontario; or

> > > (e) the Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario.

> >

> > and

> >

> > > 40. (1) Every person who contravenes subsection 27 (1) or 30

> > >(1) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of

> > >not more than $25,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than

> > >six months, or to both. 1991, c. 18, s. 40 (1).

> > >

> > > (2) Every person who contravenes section 31, 32 or 33 or

> > >subsection 34 (2) or 34.1 (2) is guilty of an offence and on

> > >conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $5,000 for a first

> > >offence and not more than $10,000 for a subsequent offence. 1991,

> > >c. 18, s. 40 (2); 2000, c. 42, Sched., s. 32 (1).

> > >

> >

> > I am resisting renaming this thread " Moulden is going to jail. "

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> >

> <

>

> > <

> <

>>

> >

> >

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, , I'm pretty sure that in Ontario as elsewhere,

ignorance of the law isn't even relevant at sentencing time. ;-)

Ross wrote:

>

>

>

> Whether he's aware or not is irrelevant, except when it comes to a

> prison sentencing.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-Unfortunately the party he was running for isn't really a recognized

party. He got 90 votes. If he wanted to get serious he should run for

one of the bigger parties next time.

-- In , Largey <l.largey@...> wrote:

>

> He is in fact running for office because his efforts to be heard

> have been squashed over and over. Everytime he goes on anything

> public his speach gets cut or they voice over. He doesnt actually

> plan to win, he just knows they cant cut his voice on the subject

> during his run. Also he took his own liscense away because of what

> happened to his friend Dr Wakefield. Do you not realize what he

> is implicating may stir some sh*t in goverment? They have consistently

> not let him put anything on their table because once they do..they will

> have to face the music. How many Dr's have had their liscenses taken

away

> just for the sheer fact they were researching something not supported by

> big pharma and or actually implicating harm done by big pharma?

> He was invited to the CDC only to be escorted away

> and threatened when he got there ( once the higher ups realized what

he was

> actually going to show them ) I dunno.. I am not on the CDC or

> goverments side..thats for sure... This goes a bit deeper than what your

> observing but with all due respect of your knowlege appreciate your

> input.

>

>

>

> 38 and Mom to three

> Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

> Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

> Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

>

>

>

> Re: [ ] Dr Moulden smiles at Dr

Cutler

>

>

> When (illiterate) self-promotion efforts exceed actual substantive

> information (see Mr. Moulden's website, CV), one has to wonder about

> underlying personality pathologies. Watching video leaves no doubt.

>

> There are no advertised peer-reviewed published journal articles. In

> fact most papers bear the mark " intellectual property--holding from

> publication " . One has to wonder why the need for personal protection

> seems to override the understanding that peer review and

> accountability is essential for credibility.

>

> Despite the " MD " , despite the " LMCC " , this man is NOT licensed to

> PRACTISE medicine in the province of Ontario by the Ontario College

> of Physicians, and therefore is not accountable to anyone.

>

> I suppose the " Genius or megalomaniac? " argument has been applied to

> many breakthrough theorists. But when the individual is running for

> political office, and stands to gain from the promotion and sales of

> a product/service ( " BrainGuard " ), the question is moot.

>

> From Mr. Moulden's CV: " I look forward to ... providing viable

> opportunities for the Canadian economy. " Thank you for your candor.

>

> --

> Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

>

>

>

>

>

>