Re: Let's stop gyrating...

[Guest guest]

Andy, don't make your own micro vascular stroke now

It's easy to assume these things, if you haven't spoken to him. When

someone is onto something that is truly a breakthrough and does dig

into Pharma's pocket and foundation, historically there has always

been a 'conspiracy' reaction. Those who have been no real threat have

been left to be.

But fortunately this whole trend is now changing for those who are the

forerunners in a big way, to begin a new paradigm not only in health,

but politics, money and other arenas.

Best wishes,

Liz

>

> Apparently another nutter has DISCOVERED THE CAUSE FOR AUTISM!!!!!!

and that it is all

> being hidden by CONSPIRACIES!!!!!!

>

>

>

> AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

>

>

>

> In my personal (though carefully considered) opinion, microstrokes

caused by vaccines or

> any other insult are likely to be relevant in very few, if any,

autistic children.

>

> I have actually reviewed cases of autistic children who did have

strokes and other brain

> damage that mainstream medical sources agreed was there.

>

> I've reviewed cases of adults with assorted brain injuries as well.

>

> These do not add up to the deficits seen in autism.

>

> There actually IS a known syndrome in adults of many small strokes

(multi-infarct

> dementia) and I have run across this. I do not believe autistic

children have it as a rule,

> however I will point out that the accepted - and effective -

treatment for it is Cavinton,

> which is a drug in most of the world but is a nutritional supplement

in the United States

> and is sold under the name Vinpocetine. It is very effective in

ameliorating the symptoms

> of multi-infarct dementia. It is not particularly expensive, it is

pretty safe, and it is

> discussed in my book Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment. (

www.noamalgam.com )

>

> I would appreciate it if we could stick to civil discourse in which

it is accepted that

> reasonable people may differ in opinion, and that everyone really is

here to try to help

> even if they don't all immediately recognize the UNRECOGNIZED GENIUS

of someone who

> DISCOVERS THE HIDDEN TRUTH!!!!!! only to be suppressed by EVIL

CONSPIRACIES!!!!!

>

> I'm actually surprised anyone who reads the microvascular stroke

websites can take them

> seriously given the atmospherics. Personally I do pore over this

kind of thing anyway

> because it is surprising where insights and discoveries can pop up -

but this is not THE

> cause of autism, or even a very common contributor to it, if it has

relevance at all.

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

> Seems angry to me.

More frustrated by the high level of gullibility that seems to be characteristic

of internet

lists, and the necessary effort to work through it with people. I know it is

necessary for

me to be patient and go through this kind of thing time and time again, but it

does get

frustrating.

Andy

[Guest guest]

what about looking at this as not a cause but a symptom of what happens

when a child has a bad reaction to a vaccine therefore beginning the

symptoms

of autism/mercury poisoning?

kathy

[ ] Let's stop gyrating...

> Apparently another nutter has DISCOVERED THE CAUSE FOR AUTISM!!!!!! and

> that it is all

> being hidden by CONSPIRACIES!!!!!!

>

>

>

> AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

>

>

>

> In my personal (though carefully considered) opinion, microstrokes caused

> by vaccines or

> any other insult are likely to be relevant in very few, if any, autistic

> children.

>

> I have actually reviewed cases of autistic children who did have strokes

> and other brain

> damage that mainstream medical sources agreed was there.

>

> I've reviewed cases of adults with assorted brain injuries as well.

>

> These do not add up to the deficits seen in autism.

>

> There actually IS a known syndrome in adults of many small strokes

> (multi-infarct

> dementia) and I have run across this. I do not believe autistic children

> have it as a rule,

> however I will point out that the accepted - and effective - treatment for

> it is Cavinton,

> which is a drug in most of the world but is a nutritional supplement in

> the United States

> and is sold under the name Vinpocetine. It is very effective in

> ameliorating the symptoms

> of multi-infarct dementia. It is not particularly expensive, it is pretty

> safe, and it is

> discussed in my book Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment. (

> www.noamalgam.com )

>

> I would appreciate it if we could stick to civil discourse in which it is

> accepted that

> reasonable people may differ in opinion, and that everyone really is here

> to try to help

> even if they don't all immediately recognize the UNRECOGNIZED GENIUS of

> someone who

> DISCOVERS THE HIDDEN TRUTH!!!!!! only to be suppressed by EVIL

> CONSPIRACIES!!!!!

>

> I'm actually surprised anyone who reads the microvascular stroke websites

> can take them

> seriously given the atmospherics. Personally I do pore over this kind of

> thing anyway

> because it is surprising where insights and discoveries can pop up - but

> this is not THE

> cause of autism, or even a very common contributor to it, if it has

> relevance at all.

>

> Andy

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Who seems angry??? I would look more closely at the post I responded

to - get the joke?? Truly, lighten up here everyone.

See Dr. Moulden's post below - we actually can all work together!

Liz

> >

> > Apparently another nutter has DISCOVERED THE CAUSE FOR AUTISM!!!!!!

> and that it is all

> > being hidden by CONSPIRACIES! !!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> > AAAAAHHHHHH! !!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> > In my personal (though carefully considered) opinion, microstrokes

> caused by vaccines or

> > any other insult are likely to be relevant in very few, if any,

> autistic children.

> >

> > I have actually reviewed cases of autistic children who did have

> strokes and other brain

> > damage that mainstream medical sources agreed was there.

> >

> > I've reviewed cases of adults with assorted brain injuries as well.

> >

> > These do not add up to the deficits seen in autism..

> >

> > There actually IS a known syndrome in adults of many small strokes

> (multi-infarct

> > dementia) and I have run across this. I do not believe autistic

> children have it as a rule,

> > however I will point out that the accepted - and effective -

> treatment for it is Cavinton,

> > which is a drug in most of the world but is a nutritional supplement

> in the United States

> > and is sold under the name Vinpocetine. It is very effective in

> ameliorating the symptoms

> > of multi-infarct dementia. It is not particularly expensive, it is

> pretty safe, and it is

> > discussed in my book Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment. (

> www.noamalgam. com )

> >

> > I would appreciate it if we could stick to civil discourse in which

> it is accepted that

> > reasonable people may differ in opinion, and that everyone really is

> here to try to help

> > even if they don't all immediately recognize the UNRECOGNIZED GENIUS

> of someone who

> > DISCOVERS THE HIDDEN TRUTH!!!!!! only to be suppressed by EVIL

> CONSPIRACIES! !!!!

> >

> > I'm actually surprised anyone who reads the microvascular stroke

> websites can take them

> > seriously given the atmospherics. Personally I do pore over this

> kind of thing anyway

> > because it is surprising where insights and discoveries can pop up -

> but this is not THE

> > cause of autism, or even a very common contributor to it, if it has

> relevance at all.

> >

> > Andy

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is interesting to me is how describes these " micro vascular

strokes " . It all sounds like autoimmunity which I think we all agree

that autism falls in the category of autoimmune disorders. I think all

the hype is about the term stroke but yet when I google micro vascular

strokes or try and look it up on the national library of medicine I

come up with few references. Sounds like it is something visible in

the eye, related to diabetes and strokes. There were some references

to the kidneys. But as a whole.. maybe Andy could tell us, is this a

very common medical term? It sounds like a bit of spin doctoring to me.

Another point is this service we are all signing up for. I haven't

email confirmation of my registration. He is running for office. I

think we need to consider the idea that he might just be gathering

signatures.

Kes

>

> Apparently another nutter has DISCOVERED THE CAUSE FOR AUTISM!!!!!!

and that it is all

> being hidden by CONSPIRACIES!!!!!!

>

>

>

> AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

>

>

>

> In my personal (though carefully considered) opinion, microstrokes

caused by vaccines or

> any other insult are likely to be relevant in very few, if any,

autistic children.

>

> I have actually reviewed cases of autistic children who did have

strokes and other brain

> damage that mainstream medical sources agreed was there.

>

> I've reviewed cases of adults with assorted brain injuries as well.

>

> These do not add up to the deficits seen in autism.

>

> There actually IS a known syndrome in adults of many small strokes

(multi-infarct

> dementia) and I have run across this. I do not believe autistic

children have it as a rule,

> however I will point out that the accepted - and effective -

treatment for it is Cavinton,

> which is a drug in most of the world but is a nutritional supplement

in the United States

> and is sold under the name Vinpocetine. It is very effective in

ameliorating the symptoms

> of multi-infarct dementia. It is not particularly expensive, it is

pretty safe, and it is

> discussed in my book Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment. (

www.noamalgam.com )

>

> I would appreciate it if we could stick to civil discourse in which

it is accepted that

> reasonable people may differ in opinion, and that everyone really is

here to try to help

> even if they don't all immediately recognize the UNRECOGNIZED GENIUS

of someone who

> DISCOVERS THE HIDDEN TRUTH!!!!!! only to be suppressed by EVIL

CONSPIRACIES!!!!!

>

> I'm actually surprised anyone who reads the microvascular stroke

websites can take them

> seriously given the atmospherics. Personally I do pore over this

kind of thing anyway

> because it is surprising where insights and discoveries can pop up -

but this is not THE

> cause of autism, or even a very common contributor to it, if it has

relevance at all.

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

I think Andy gave us some insight, if we can weed it out of all the

hubub going on. He said that this might apply to a few children, but

not all and not the majority and that vinpocetine is what would be

used to treat it. So that's a good note, for the few children who may

or have this damage. I think all our children have brain damage to

some degree, as do us adults. Mercury causes a syndrome known as

" minimal brain damage syndrome " . This can be in varying degrees..and

anyway...

Andy's give his opinion, and provided us with some advice about this

type of condition.

Now we can wait and see how some of the people on the board fare with

Dr. Moulden and what progress they make. Actions speak loudest, and

results will speak loudly as well. Keep us posted and let us know how

you all do.

> >

> > Apparently another nutter has DISCOVERED THE CAUSE FOR AUTISM!!!!!!

> and that it is all

> > being hidden by CONSPIRACIES!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> > AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> > In my personal (though carefully considered) opinion, microstrokes

> caused by vaccines or

> > any other insult are likely to be relevant in very few, if any,

> autistic children.

> >

> > I have actually reviewed cases of autistic children who did have

> strokes and other brain

> > damage that mainstream medical sources agreed was there.

> >

> > I've reviewed cases of adults with assorted brain injuries as well.

> >

> > These do not add up to the deficits seen in autism.

> >

> > There actually IS a known syndrome in adults of many small strokes

> (multi-infarct

> > dementia) and I have run across this. I do not believe autistic

> children have it as a rule,

> > however I will point out that the accepted - and effective -

> treatment for it is Cavinton,

> > which is a drug in most of the world but is a nutritional supplement

> in the United States

> > and is sold under the name Vinpocetine. It is very effective in

> ameliorating the symptoms

> > of multi-infarct dementia. It is not particularly expensive, it is

> pretty safe, and it is

> > discussed in my book Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment. (

> www.noamalgam.com )

> >

> > I would appreciate it if we could stick to civil discourse in which

> it is accepted that

> > reasonable people may differ in opinion, and that everyone really is

> here to try to help

> > even if they don't all immediately recognize the UNRECOGNIZED GENIUS

> of someone who

> > DISCOVERS THE HIDDEN TRUTH!!!!!! only to be suppressed by EVIL

> CONSPIRACIES!!!!!

> >

> > I'm actually surprised anyone who reads the microvascular stroke

> websites can take them

> > seriously given the atmospherics. Personally I do pore over this

> kind of thing anyway

> > because it is surprising where insights and discoveries can pop up -

> but this is not THE

> > cause of autism, or even a very common contributor to it, if it has

> relevance at all.

> >

> > Andy

> >

>