Re: Moulden-Cutler Controversy

October 18, 2008

I understand , that makes total sense and I thank you for

being our most ferociuos watch dog LOL (truly joking At the time

of my post, I believe he was offering his services for free and had

stated interest in working with Andy. I do believe in the value of

replies to questionable posts that clearly identify the need of

references, track record, recovery stories, whatever...to

substantiate the claim. This makes research easier for the newcomer

when they are deciding what to try and you do an excellent job of

it. I cannot tell you how many times I searched onibasu.com before

joining this group, truly amazing-the information on there. It took

me three months of research to choose Andy's method, but I am sure

glad I chose the right thing and that I'm here.

> > >

> > > I agree. What I dont agree with is the shutting down ...doors

> closed and

> > > not letting this guy have a chance to speak without getting

> attacked.

> > > Some of

> > > us " under-educated " parents would have liked to ask him

> questions

> > > etc. But the

> > > atmosphere here is always so negative when some new idea is

> brought up.

> > > The " more educated " but might I add ..that doesnt make one

> smarter..

> > > get defensive

> > > right off the bat. Would it really have hurt to listen to

what

> this

> > > man has to say

> > > and maybe we could get a better understanding? Does this man

seem

> > > threatening to you?

> > > I do believe he responded to Andy's post in a " lets work

> together

> > > attitude "

> > > If I were him, I would not bother to come back and post

answers

> to

> > > questions..

> > > this group is like a den of lions for Gosh sakes. Minds are

like

> > > parachutes..they only

> > > function when open.

> > >

> > > 38 and Mom to three

> > > Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

> > > Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

> > > Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

> > >

> > > Re: [ ] Moulden-Cutler Controversy

> > >

> > > >So everybody, I know we are all mad as hell and aren't going

to

> take

> > > >it anymore, as Faye Dunaway said in the 70's movie Network,

but

> let's

> > > >not beat each other up.

> > >

> > > Faye Dunaway actually never uttered the words. It was

Finch.

> > > Good flick, BTW.

> > >

> > > My point it, as mad as anyone is, getting the facts

absolutely

> right

> > > is the most important thing. Ever.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> > >

October 18, 2008

Honestly Dr Moulden, I read your posts and the message I get is that

you are more interested in vaccine awareness than you are in healing

our kids. So why are you here? Why do I have to scroll through post

after post of the same information? We are an intelligent lot here.

Those of us who chose not to vaccinate do so armed with knowledge. We

aren't acting on a whim. Maybe you should move try posting on the

evidence of harm group. I thought we were all about recovery here, not

politics. I am Canadian as well Dr Moulden. I don't believe it is

bullying or flaming to stand up to someone who is soliciting.

Kes

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree. What I dont agree with is the shutting down ...doors

> > > closed and

> > > > > not letting this guy have a chance to speak without getting

> > > attacked.

> > > > > Some of

> > > > > us " under-educated " parents would have liked to ask him

> > > questions

> > > > > etc. But the

> > > > > atmosphere here is always so negative when some new idea is

> > > brought up.

> > > > > The " more educated " but might I add ..that doesnt make one

> > > smarter..

> > > > > get defensive

> > > > > right off the bat. Would it really have hurt to listen to what

> > > this

> > > > > man has to say

> > > > > and maybe we could get a better understanding? Does this man

> seem

> > > > > threatening to you?

> > > > > I do believe he responded to Andy's post in a " lets work

> > > together

> > > > > attitude "

> > > > > If I were him, I would not bother to come back and post

> answers

> > > to

> > > > > questions..

> > > > > this group is like a den of lions for Gosh sakes. Minds are

> like

> > > > > parachutes.. they only

> > > > > function when open.

> > > > >

> > > > > 38 and Mom to three

> > > > > Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

> > > > > Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

> > > > > Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: [ ] Moulden-Cutler Controversy

> > > > >

> > > > > >So everybody, I know we are all mad as hell and aren't going

> to

> > > take

> > > > > >it anymore, as Faye Dunaway said in the 70's movie Network,

> but

> > > let's

> > > > > >not beat each other up.

> > > > >

> > > > > Faye Dunaway actually never uttered the words. It was

> Finch.

> > > > > Good flick, BTW.

> > > > >

> > > > > My point it, as mad as anyone is, getting the facts absolutely

> > > right

> > > > > is the most important thing. Ever.

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> > > > >

October 19, 2008

>

> I understand , that makes total sense and I thank you for

> being our most ferociuos watch dog LOL (truly joking At the time

> of my post, I believe he was offering his services for free and had

> stated interest in working with Andy.

Many mentally ill people have contacted me privately in the past to offer to

work with me.

I always decline.

When normal people contact me and offer to work with me we discuss it, and if it

is

something that makes sense and seems mutually beneficial, we do work together.

Normal people aren't so narcissistic as to think I want to work with them and

adopt

everything they say is true, abandoning my opinions, because of their obvious

genius.

Instead they look for areas of common interest.

Andy

October 19, 2008

Andy,

That may be but regardless of mental status, they still have a right to

speak and I have the right to listen to them. If you don't want to

listen to someone who you think is mentally unstable, you can press the

delete button :-)))

Best,

andrewhallcutler schrieb:

>

> >

> > I understand , that makes total sense and I thank you for

> > being our most ferociuos watch dog LOL (truly joking At the time

> > of my post, I believe he was offering his services for free and had

> > stated interest in working with Andy.

>

> Many mentally ill people have contacted me privately in the past to

> offer to work with me.

>

> I always decline.

>

> When normal people contact me and offer to work with me we discuss it,

> and if it is

> something that makes sense and seems mutually beneficial, we do work

> together.

>

> Normal people aren't so narcissistic as to think I want to work with

> them and adopt

> everything they say is true, abandoning my opinions, because of their

> obvious genius.

> Instead they look for areas of common interest.

>

> Andy

>

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October 19, 2008

Re: [ ] Moulden-Cutler Controversy

> > >

> > > >So everybody, I know we are all mad as hell and aren't going

to

> take

> > > >it anymore, as Faye Dunaway said in the 70's movie Network,

but

> let's

> > > >not beat each other up.

> > >

> > > Faye Dunaway actually never uttered the words. It was

Finch.

> > > Good flick, BTW.

> > >

> > > My point it, as mad as anyone is, getting the facts

absolutely

> right

> > > is the most important thing. Ever.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> > >

October 19, 2008

,

To be fair, we would have to prohibit Andy C from mentioning his book on

here also. That would be great shame.

Ladyshrink111@... schrieb:

>

> Re: [ ] Moulden-Cutler Controversy

> > > >

> > > > >So everybody, I know we are all mad as hell and aren't going

> to

> > take

> > > > >it anymore, as Faye Dunaway said in the 70's movie Network,

> but

> > let's

> > > > >not beat each other up.

> > > >

> > > > Faye Dunaway actually never uttered the words. It was

> Finch.

> > > > Good flick, BTW.

> > > >

> > > > My point it, as mad as anyone is, getting the facts

> absolutely

> > right

> > > > is the most important thing. Ever.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> > > >

October 19, 2008

This is for the parents that did not vaccinated their kids, but they

still became autistic. I would like to hear if

a) The mother received the FLU SHOT when she was pregnant of that kid

The family raised the kids or when the mother was pregnant the

family lived close to very polluted places such as farm lands (where

they use a lot of pesticides)

c) Did the mother worked in electronics factories ...etc.

In general I would like to know the level of toxicity of their

children environments including during the pregnancy

>

> Dr. Moulden's introductory post is here.

> ( /message/238571)

>

> Here is a link to the radio program Best first posted

> ( /message/238489)

>

> and this is the innocent post that started it all.

> ( /message/238298)

>

> Because I do listen to Dr. Carley's radio show, I had also heard Dr.

> Moulden's info " way back when " but unfortunately Best, Jr. gets

> the credit to bringing it to this group.

>

> best,

> Liora

>

October 19, 2008

My son was diagnosed with PDD-NOS at the age of 4, He is now 16yo with

a diagnosis of NVLD, MR,Dyslexia, ADD, Dysgraphia, Type I Diabetes and

Graves Disease. I received NO flu shot during pregnancy and he has

never been vaccinated for anything. BUT I did receive the RhoGam Shot

while pregnant because I am RH Neg. and He is positive as is his

father. I have been told the RHOGAM has lots of mercury in it. He was

also born 2mo premature due to this RHOGAM not working anyway, My

antibodies still attacked his blood. We did live in a farming area

where I am sure pesticides were used. I hope this is the sort of answer

you are looking for. Blessings, Conrad

In , " dmlcannon " <dmlcannon@...> wrote:

>

> This is for the parents that did not vaccinated their kids, but they

> still became autistic. I would like to hear if

> a) The mother received the FLU SHOT when she was pregnant of that kid

> The family raised the kids or when the mother was pregnant the

> family lived close to very polluted places such as farm lands (where

> they use a lot of pesticides)

> c) Did the mother worked in electronics factories ...etc.

>

> In general I would like to know the level of toxicity of their

> children environments including during the pregnancy

October 19, 2008

Re: [ ] Moulden-Cutler Controversy

> > > >

> > > > >So everybody, I know we are all mad as hell and aren't going

> to

> > take

> > > > >it anymore, as Faye Dunaway said in the 70's movie Network,

> but

> > let's

> > > > >not beat each other up.

> > > >

> > > > Faye Dunaway actually never uttered the words. It was

> Finch.

> > > > Good flick, BTW.

> > > >

> > > > My point it, as mad as anyone is, getting the facts

> absolutely

> > right

> > > > is the most important thing. Ever.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> > > >

October 19, 2008

,

I started out on this list many years before ABE. Altogether, I have

spent a lot more time here than on ABE. If you want to lay down a rule

then it should be for everyone all across the board.

Best,

Ladyshrink111@... schrieb:

>

> Re: [ ] Moulden-Cutler Controversy

> > > > >

> > > > > >So everybody, I know we are all mad as hell and aren't going

> > to

> > > take

> > > > > >it anymore, as Faye Dunaway said in the 70's movie Network,

> > but

> > > let's

> > > > > >not beat each other up.

> > > > >

> > > > > Faye Dunaway actually never uttered the words. It was

> > Finch.

> > > > > Good flick, BTW.

> > > > >

> > > > > My point it, as mad as anyone is, getting the facts

> > absolutely

> > > right

> > > > > is the most important thing. Ever.

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> > > > >

October 19, 2008

My son is not vaccinated and was clearly autistic at a very young

age. I did not receive any shots in close to 20 years prior to

pregnancy and I had no unusual toxic exposure. I did have amalgams

in my mouth that have since been removed and I do have lyme disease

with several coinfections. Lot's of Lymes patients are mercury

toxic. Now, my husband has since tested positive for Lyme too (yes,

it is contagious) and is not metal toxic, but he had no amalgams.

I am thinking that it takes infections + exposure to heavy metals for

your lovely intracellular infections to grab ahold of to cause heavy

metal toxicity. We are treating both infections and mercury

toxicity, hopefully a winning combination.

Caryn

-- In , " dmlcannon " <dmlcannon@...>

wrote:

>

> This is for the parents that did not vaccinated their kids, but

they

> still became autistic. I would like to hear if

> a) The mother received the FLU SHOT when she was pregnant of that

kid

> The family raised the kids or when the mother was pregnant the

> family lived close to very polluted places such as farm lands

(where

> they use a lot of pesticides)

> c) Did the mother worked in electronics factories ...etc.

>

> In general I would like to know the level of toxicity of their

> children environments including during the pregnancy

>

> >

> > Dr. Moulden's introductory post is here.

> > (Autism-

Mercury/message/238571)

> >

> > Here is a link to the radio program Best first posted

> > (Autism-

Mercury/message/238489)

> >

> > and this is the innocent post that started it all.

> > (Autism-

Mercury/message/238298)

> >

> > Because I do listen to Dr. Carley's radio show, I had also heard

Dr.

> > Moulden's info " way back when " but unfortunately Best, Jr.

gets

> > the credit to bringing it to this group.

> >

> > best,

> > Liora

> >

>

October 19, 2008

Caryn,

Just a question. Are you in the States? Did you birth in a hospital? I

have heard from people who checked birth records later that the well

meaning medical staff had given their babies Heb B 'quietly' against

parental wishes Did you have your child at your side the entire hospital

stay?

Just wondering.

best,

Caryn_Reid schrieb:

>

> My son is not vaccinated and was clearly autistic at a very young

> age. I did not receive any shots in close to 20 years prior to

> pregnancy and I had no unusual toxic exposure. I did have amalgams

> in my mouth that have since been removed and I do have lyme disease

> with several coinfections. Lot's of Lymes patients are mercury

> toxic. Now, my husband has since tested positive for Lyme too (yes,

> it is contagious) and is not metal toxic, but he had no amalgams.

>

> I am thinking that it takes infections + exposure to heavy metals for

> your lovely intracellular infections to grab ahold of to cause heavy

> metal toxicity. We are treating both infections and mercury

> toxicity, hopefully a winning combination.

>

> Caryn

>

> -- In

> <mailto: %40>, " dmlcannon " <dmlcannon@. ..>

> wrote:

> >

> > This is for the parents that did not vaccinated their kids, but

> they

> > still became autistic. I would like to hear if

> > a) The mother received the FLU SHOT when she was pregnant of that

> kid

> > The family raised the kids or when the mother was pregnant the

> > family lived close to very polluted places such as farm lands

> (where

> > they use a lot of pesticides)

> > c) Did the mother worked in electronics factories ...etc.

> >

> > In general I would like to know the level of toxicity of their

> > children environments including during the pregnancy

> >

> > >

> > > Dr. Moulden's introductory post is here.

> > > (http://health. groups.. com/group/ Autism-

> <Autism->

> Mercury/message/ 238571)

> > >

> > > Here is a link to the radio program Best first posted

> > > (http://health. groups.. com/group/ Autism-

> <Autism->

> Mercury/message/ 238489)

> > >

> > > and this is the innocent post that started it all.

> > > (http://health. groups.. com/group/ Autism-

> <Autism->

> Mercury/message/ 238298)

> > >

> > > Because I do listen to Dr. Carley's radio show, I had also heard

> Dr.

> > > Moulden's info " way back when " but unfortunately Best, Jr.

> gets

> > > the credit to bringing it to this group.

> > >

> > > best,

> > > Liora

> > >

> >

>

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October 19, 2008

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree. What I dont agree with is the shutting

down ...doors

> > > > closed and

> > > > > > not letting this guy have a chance to speak without

getting

> > > > attacked.

> > > > > > Some of

> > > > > > us " under-educated " parents would have liked to ask him

> > > > questions

> > > > > > etc. But the

> > > > > > atmosphere here is always so negative when some new idea

is

> > > > brought up.

> > > > > > The " more educated " but might I add ..that doesnt make

one

> > > > smarter..

> > > > > > get defensive

> > > > > > right off the bat. Would it really have hurt to listen to

> > > what

> > > > this

> > > > > > man has to say

> > > > > > and maybe we could get a better understanding? Does this

man

> > > seem

> > > > > > threatening to you?

> > > > > > I do believe he responded to Andy's post in a " lets work

> > > > together

> > > > > > attitude "

> > > > > > If I were him, I would not bother to come back and post

> > > answers

> > > > to

> > > > > > questions..

> > > > > > this group is like a den of lions for Gosh sakes. Minds

are

> > > like

> > > > > > parachutes.. they only

> > > > > > function when open.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 38 and Mom to three

> > > > > > Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

> > > > > > Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

> > > > > > Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: [ ] Moulden-Cutler Controversy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >So everybody, I know we are all mad as hell and aren't

going

> > > to

> > > > take

> > > > > > >it anymore, as Faye Dunaway said in the 70's movie

Network,

> > > but

> > > > let's

> > > > > > >not beat each other up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Faye Dunaway actually never uttered the words. It was

> > > Finch.

> > > > > > Good flick, BTW.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My point it, as mad as anyone is, getting the facts

> > > absolutely

> > > > right

> > > > > > is the most important thing. Ever.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> > > > > >

October 19, 2008

All they have to do is press the delete button. There have been a lot of

very rude posts. Those posts can be deleted also. I have been very

engaged in this discussion as I will defend the right of anyone to

speak. You can delete my posts also if you like.

I would like to hear more dialogue about mini-strokes. I have read quite

a few posts where parents think that the post vaccine reaction which

lead to the autism was in hindsight like a stroke. If there any more

parents who have observed this, it is worth encouraging them to speak.

Agreed?

best,

schrieb:

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I agree. What I dont agree with is the shutting

> down ...doors

> > > > > closed and

> > > > > > > not letting this guy have a chance to speak without

> getting

> > > > > attacked.

> > > > > > > Some of

> > > > > > > us " under-educated " parents would have liked to ask him

> > > > > questions

> > > > > > > etc. But the

> > > > > > > atmosphere here is always so negative when some new idea

> is

> > > > > brought up.

> > > > > > > The " more educated " but might I add ..that doesnt make

> one

> > > > > smarter..

> > > > > > > get defensive

> > > > > > > right off the bat. Would it really have hurt to listen to

> > > > what

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > man has to say

> > > > > > > and maybe we could get a better understanding? Does this

> man

> > > > seem

> > > > > > > threatening to you?

> > > > > > > I do believe he responded to Andy's post in a " lets work

> > > > > together

> > > > > > > attitude "

> > > > > > > If I were him, I would not bother to come back and post

> > > > answers

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > questions..

> > > > > > > this group is like a den of lions for Gosh sakes. Minds

> are

> > > > like

> > > > > > > parachutes.. they only

> > > > > > > function when open.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 38 and Mom to three

> > > > > > > Tasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )

> > > > > > > Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pie

> > > > > > > Elijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: [ ] Moulden-Cutler Controversy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >So everybody, I know we are all mad as hell and aren't

> going

> > > > to

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > >it anymore, as Faye Dunaway said in the 70's movie

> Network,

> > > > but

> > > > > let's

> > > > > > > >not beat each other up.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Faye Dunaway actually never uttered the words. It was

>

> > > > Finch.

> > > > > > > Good flick, BTW.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My point it, as mad as anyone is, getting the facts

> > > > absolutely

> > > > > right

> > > > > > > is the most important thing. Ever.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage:

> > > > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MQFG4Piwegs

> > > > > > >

October 19, 2008

Hi ,

Did/do you also have mercury amalgam dental fillings?

S S

Re: Moulden-Cutler Controversy

Posted by: " karen " micaiahspeaks@... phydough22000

Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:32 am (PDT)