die off symptoms

July 3, 2000

Die off symptoms

I have been taking Benadryl occasionally for die-off discomfort from

treatment for a mycoplasma infection (unfortunately, it gives me

grief concerning candida, but that isn't the point of my post this

time <g>). What I've learned is that the discomfort we experience

can be a histamine reaction to the toxins dumped in our system by the

dying organisms. Seems that Benadryl might help equally well for

helping us to cope with discomfort from Candida die-off.

Laurie L.

I would think that Quercetin and vitamin C would be a better choice, and

would have similar effects. They help stabalize mast cells to prevent them

from releasing histamine, without the side effects that antihistamines can

have. You take 500 mg. of Quercetin and 1000 mg. of vitamin C as often as

once an hour, as long as you have symptoms of excess histamine. I have lots

of allergies, and have lived with hives and congestion for years, with

occassional episodes of asthma, and the Quercetin and vitamin C (along with

eliminating dairy) have eliminated most of the allergic reactions that I

used to have all the time.

However, I think that the die-off symptoms are often caused by a build-up of

ammonia in the system. Eliminate the ammonia, and you eliminate most of the

fatigue, foggy mindedness, sore muscles, etc.

lindaj@...

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July 3, 2000

Thanks ,

I take Quercetin once a day anyway, along with my other

bioflavinoids. It's helpful to know that this and Vit c can help

with the histamine release problem. The dilemma for me is, that a

researcher for people with CFS (or CFIDS), has found that it's best

to take bioflavinoids no more than once every 12 hours. Dr. Cheney

has learned that bioflavinoids shut down the pumps that allow

cells to dump waste and toxins. By taking bioflavonoids randomly

throughout my day (or whenever exposure happens), it keeps those

essentials pumps shut down much of the time. After they've been down

and the waste has built up, they work over time once the bioflavonoid

activity has worn off, dumping out all that's built up. It's a bit

like the public utility department flushing the lines occasionally -

important to do, but only periodically.

I think I'll take your advice about taking Vit C with it, thanks so

much. One of my other ways to help with die-off pains is to take

1 lemon (whole, washed, organic if possible)

1 cup of water

1 tbsp extra virgin olive oil

Blenderize the works and strain - the advice I was given was to drink

this at least once a day - and that it is good for the lymph system.

Laurie L.

July 8, 2000

-Hi, Laurie,

I also have CFS. I'm taking ImmunePro for that.

I have been on lots of antibiotics for an infection, so I know

candida

is there too.

I'd like to know if there is a difference between herxing and

die-off?

I hope it's not a dumb question! LOL

Thanks!

-- In candidiasisegroups, " Laurie L. " <laurie@f...> wrote:

> Thanks ,

> I take Quercetin once a day anyway, along with my other

> bioflavinoids. It's helpful to know that this and Vit c can help

> with the histamine release problem. The dilemma for me is, that a

> researcher for people with CFS (or CFIDS), has found that it's best

> to take bioflavinoids no more than once every 12 hours. Dr. Cheney

> has learned that bioflavinoids shut down the pumps that allow

> cells to dump waste and toxins. By taking bioflavonoids randomly

> throughout my day (or whenever exposure happens), it keeps those

> essentials pumps shut down much of the time. After they've been

down

> and the waste has built up, they work over time once the

bioflavonoid

> activity has worn off, dumping out all that's built up. It's a bit

> like the public utility department flushing the lines occasionally

-

> important to do, but only periodically.

>

> I think I'll take your advice about taking Vit C with it, thanks so

> much. One of my other ways to help with die-off pains is to take

> 1 lemon (whole, washed, organic if possible)

> 1 cup of water

> 1 tbsp extra virgin olive oil

> Blenderize the works and strain - the advice I was given was to

drink

> this at least once a day - and that it is good for the lymph

system.

>

> Laurie L.

July 10, 2000

Hi (Layla?)

Herxing and die-off are the same thing. The full name is The Jarisch-

Herxheimer reaction, believed to be a reaction caused by organisms

dying off and releasing toxins into the body faster than the body may

comfortably handle it.

Also, researchers have found that penicillan, sulfonamides and the

cephalosporin family of antibiotics can make CFS worse for most

patients (while others are used to treat CFS). Backchannel me for

more, if you want more details. I have a lot of info on the subject.

Nobody flame me please...there may be many of us PWCs (people with

CFS) lurking here, because we need help with candida. The choice to

use antibiotics is not an easy one, but the illness can be horribly

debilitating for many.

Thanks for this list...

Laurie L.

May 2, 2002

> Hello all,

> I started taking olive leaf extract.........oh my God..........I

have been

> in bed for two whole days. I am so tired..........]

Debbie, hang in there. I am also fighting die off symptoms. I have

been sick away from work since last Thursday (a whole week). I have

taken the diflucan route, and the doctor dosed me a 100mg per day for

a month. I am extremely petite, child size, so I had pretty severe

die off reaction. I called the doc's office and they told me that is

was rare to have these bad symptoms, but after I told her how small I

was, she immediately told me to cut my dose in half to the kid's

dosage 50mg. Doctor's tend to forget that doses should be according

to weight, not years.

Anyway, I have had the same foggy headache, extreme exhaustion, and

aches and pains in my joints and back. It must be working, but I

feel worse then ever with my symptoms flairing up big time. They say

it takes between 2 days or 2 weeks to get over this depending on how

bad a case you are. I guess I was a bad case because it has been a

week, and I still feel bad. Lucky for me I dragged myself to work to

talk to my manager and human resourse director. It is a family

company, and they just told me to get well, and since I've been there

so long that I would have a place when I came back. I know other

people who have been let go due to this sickness, so I am very

thankful my management at work is so nice.

All I have heard to combat die off is drink plenty of water, stick to

the diet, take your probiotic, and rest. Some say to exercise, I can

barely get out of bed, hmmm...

Does anyone have good ideas on how to get through the die off period

faster? I have lived a life of a cat for a week, and I am quite

bored of eating, sleeping, eating, sleeping, etc.

Shoshana

May 2, 2002

Debbie & Shoshana- I had very mild die-off symptoms

considering the junk that was pouring out of my system

when I first started my candida treatment. I was told

it was the die-off but I thought I should be

experiencing more like what you two described. When I

talked to my doctor, he explained that my die-off was

less severe to my body because he had me taking

molybdenum as an additional supplement. It's a trace

mineral that you can find at a natural food store (or

you can order it off the web- try

modernherbalist.com).

The write-up I have on it reads " needed for the

production of enzymes that clear acetaldehyde from the

system. Its presence in the system in sufficient

quantity can make such a dramatic difference in the

health of persons coping with Candida infection,

multiple chemical sensitivities or certain types of

food or chemically-induced migraine headaches, as well

as the adverse effects of alcohol over-consumption. "

It continues, " Molybdenum is required by the body to

manufacture two important enzymes,

aldehyde-dehydrogenase and aldehyde-oxidase which

allow the liver to neutralize a powerful and

relatively inert toxin, acetaldehyde. This toxin is a

metabolic waste material produced by yeast organisms

that may proliferate in unhealthy intestinal

environments. "

Enough of the technical stuff... it worked for me, and

I plan on getting more to keep using it. The

recommended dose on my bottle was 1000 mcg per day.

And it said symptoms should get better within 1-2

weeks. Good luck and let us know how you do! -NH

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May 6, 2002

> Debbie & Shoshana- I had very mild die-off symptoms

> considering the junk that was pouring out of my system

> when I first started my candida treatment. I was told

> it was the die-off but I thought I should be

> experiencing more like what you two described. When I

> talked to my doctor, he explained that my die-off was

> less severe to my body because he had me taking

> molybdenum as an additional supplement. It's a trace

> mineral that you can find at a natural food store (or

> you can order it off the web- try

> modernherbalist.com).

>

> Thank you for the tip!

Shoshana

May 16, 2004

Oh Jeanne,

Yes your symptoms are just like mine except the diarrhea. That would be a

miracle for me to have diarrhea. I am usually constipated. But when I have the

symptoms am definitely not constipated.

Headaches, achy all over, uncontrollable fatigue, anxiety then all of the sudden

I feel great and boom same over again. But good periods are getting longer.

Thanks for sharing

Sherry

jeannekrieg@... wrote:

I was wondering if some of you that have gone through die off can give me some

examples of your die off symptoms.

this past week after elimating dairy too I had a major headache (migraine) for

days and would all of a sudden get really fatigued at work and feel like I

couldn't keep my eyes open. than I would pick up again and it would happen

later.

Friday I literally could not get out of bed and was dizzy, weak, queazy, and

called in sick and went back to bed. I woke up and my neck hurt and felt

swollen and I had the runs for about 2 hours off and on and just kept drinking

water. My anxiety was at a major peak and I am on meds and they weren't

working. Went back to sleep.

This morning I felt better but went through a milder version of the above and

had like an ache in both of my legs. I couldn't eat earlier either.

I actually don't feel all that bad right now. Sorry to ramble on here but

wondering if I had the flu or if that is just common die off symptoms.

Will it come back again...........even if I am not feeding my yeast or what?

Jeanne

May 16, 2004

Thanks Sherry for your comments. Why does it get better and than worse and is

there some way to control that? What are you doing for anxiety as I would like

to get off of buspar which is the only thing helping me right now. have you

ever tried inositol?

Jeanne

May 16, 2004

Jeanne

I think (but Bee probably knows for sure) if we didn't have the cycle for

healing. . .if we healed all at once we would probably get deathly ill.

I think gradual healing is the bodies way of really harming us. Yes it feels

horrible, but that is the bodies way.

I am not sure you can do anything to help the symptoms. . .I think that is just

what has to happen. Then again maybe Bee has suggestions to help with pain from

healing.

As far as inositol goes, I hesitate to take any Vitamin B separate from each

other. I know people do it but I feel it might actually cause an imbalance of

the other B's. If you are going to take the inositol you may as well take the

other B's. I would be careful with the B's though read the label. I know a lot

of B's contain yeast and such. . .so be careful

Take Care

Sherry.

jeannekrieg@... wrote:

Thanks Sherry for your comments. Why does it get better and than worse and is

there some way to control that? What are you doing for anxiety as I would like

to get off of buspar which is the only thing helping me right now. have you

ever tried inositol?

Jeanne

January 19, 2006

>

> Hi all. I'm a new memeber, and have a question about some die-off

> symptoms. I've been dieting (eating correctly) for 10 days now,

eating garlic and grapefruit seed, and I feel some tightness in the

muscles of my torax and neck. Funnily enough, after ecah meal, the

tightness seems to alliviate a little bit, but comes back later.

> I'm a very anxious person also, so could this pain be from the die

off or just my regular anxiety?

==>Hi there. Is your name Gerardo? Welcome to our group my friend.

You have come to the right place to cure your candida.

==>If you've only started on the diet I recommend 10 days ago you may

have started on antifungals (garlic and grapefruit seed) too soon.

Are you taking coconut oil too? Please ensure you are following the

diet in my article, which is very different than any others, and also

taking recommended supplements. I do not recommend grapefruit seed

extract so you wouldn't have gotten that information from my group.

==>More than likely your symptoms are caused by anxiety, because they

are not die-off in nature. Die-off are flu-like symptoms - see the

article in our files.

Bee

January 19, 2006

Hi Bee, thanks for replying. My name is Gerardo, I'm from Mexico City. I Started

on the antifungals on advice from my naturopath doc. I've followed the diet

religiously. I haven't had any flu like symptoms, just a day of diahrrea after

too much garlic :/

I've read your articles, and will follow the diet in them, my question now is

should I stop on the anti-fungals and begin the probiotics?

Thanks for all the help you give us.

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