Re: Painful, red gums and mouth sores

[Guest guest]

,

Herpes simplex is the most common cause. Folic acid deficiency can

cause inflammation, but if there are actually small superficial ulcers

and if the inner surface of the lips, the gums and the tongue are all

involved it is probably H simplex. Viscous lidocaine 2% (prescription

in USA) applied every three or four hours very effective for relieving

pain. Also silver nitrate (stings when applied) and chewable milk of

magnesia tablets allowed to disintegrate in the mouth. If H simplex,

should resolve in ten days or so. Vigorous toothbrushing can activate

the virus and prolong the illness. Regular analgesics (aspirin,

acetaminophen, ibuprofen) also useful to control pain.

Jim

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Subject: [ ] Painful, red gums and mouth sores

My daughter bottom gums are red and painful and it really hurts her

when I brush her teeth. And recently, I noticed that she also has

sores in her inside bottom lip and on her tongue.

I've read in the archives that herpes can cause sores, but are these

on the lips or inside the mouth? I used to get herpes cold sores but

they were always on the lips not in the mouth.

Any ideas about what is causing the sores and the red gums? And what I

can give her that may help for both problems?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids may help with the red, sore gums. We used

high doses. I had the sore, itchy gums when I would get sick. EVERY

TIME. After I started taking Vit C with Bioflavonoids, I haven't had it

for many many years. I no longer take it but I took it consistently for

2-3 years.

TamiW

Gavin's mom

>

> My daughter bottom gums are red and painful and it really hurts her

> when I brush her teeth. And recently, I noticed that she also has

> sores in her inside bottom lip and on her tongue.

>

> I've read in the archives that herpes can cause sores, but are these

> on the lips or inside the mouth? I used to get herpes cold sores but

> they were always on the lips not in the mouth.

>

> Any ideas about what is causing the sores and the red gums? And what I

> can give her that may help for both problems?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lysine may help the sores. The problem could be sodium laureth sulfate

in her toothpaste. My mom and I cannot tolerate it either and it

caused sores and irritation for us. When we started using toothpaste

without this detergent, we didn't have them anymore. Also, many of

these type of issues: acne, mouth sores, red bleeding swollen gums went

away for me when I eliminated dairy products.

>

> My daughter bottom gums are red and painful and it really hurts her

> when I brush her teeth. And recently, I noticed that she also has

> sores in her inside bottom lip and on her tongue.

>

> I've read in the archives that herpes can cause sores, but are these

> on the lips or inside the mouth? I used to get herpes cold sores but

> they were always on the lips not in the mouth.

>

> Any ideas about what is causing the sores and the red gums? And what I

> can give her that may help for both problems?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

We have learned to give Lysine every time our son ingests anything

with high levels of arganine (peanut butter, chocolate, etc). Once he

broke out (exactly as you described below), he began to break out

relatively frequently until we figured this out.

You might also want to consider daily dose valtrex now that it appears

as though you have a " viral kiddo. "

Nina

> >

> > My daughter bottom gums are red and painful and it really hurts her

> > when I brush her teeth. And recently, I noticed that she also has

> > sores in her inside bottom lip and on her tongue.

> >

> > I've read in the archives that herpes can cause sores, but are these

> > on the lips or inside the mouth? I used to get herpes cold sores but

> > they were always on the lips not in the mouth.

> >

> > Any ideas about what is causing the sores and the red gums? And what I

> > can give her that may help for both problems?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> We have learned to give Lysine every time our son ingests anything

> with high levels of arganine (peanut butter, chocolate, etc). Once he

> broke out (exactly as you described below), he began to break out

> relatively frequently until we figured this out.

Thanks Nina. I gave her 500 mg of lysine last night before bed time.

How much is OK to give of this?

As for the reaction to a food, I read in the archives that for lots of

people, sores were food related. Her diet is already pretty

restrictive so I don't know what food could be causing this.

>

> You might also want to consider daily dose valtrex now that it appears

> as though you have a " viral kiddo. "

Yes I do believe that she's a viral kiddo, but I haven't addressed

this problem yet. Or rather, I should say that I haven't tried any Rx

anti-virals yet, just the naturals like OLE and Lauricidin but they

caused way too much yeast. I've read that Andy suggests taking

naturals anti-virals with Valtrex since they compliment each other,

but I just don't know how to manage the yeast effectively while she's

in school.

Does Valtrex cause problems with yeast?

[Guest guest]

>

> Lysine may help the sores. The problem could be sodium laureth sulfate

> in her toothpaste. My mom and I cannot tolerate it either and it

> caused sores and irritation for us. When we started using toothpaste

> without this detergent, we didn't have them anymore. Also, many of

> these type of issues: acne, mouth sores, red bleeding swollen gums went

> away for me when I eliminated dairy products.

I gave her 500 mg of Lysine last night. How much do you give? How long

does it take for the problem to go away?

She doesn't use any toothpaste at all, she's too sensitive in the

mouth. And for the food, I'll have to think about it, I have no idea

what food if any could be causing this.

Thanks for the help.

[Guest guest]

>

> Vitamin C with bioflavonoids may help with the red, sore gums. We used

> high doses. I had the sore, itchy gums when I would get sick. EVERY

> TIME. After I started taking Vit C with Bioflavonoids, I haven't had it

> for many many years. I no longer take it but I took it consistently for

> 2-3 years.

>

> TamiW

> Gavin's mom

I'm always interested when people say that Vit C helps with issues

because of the possible connection with the adrenals. Will try

increasing Vit C, it can't hurt! Thanks!

[Guest guest]

> My daughter bottom gums are red and painful and it really hurts her

> when I brush her teeth. And recently, I noticed that she also has

> sores in her inside bottom lip and on her tongue.

> I've read in the archives that herpes can cause sores, but are these

> on the lips or inside the mouth? I used to get herpes cold sores but

> they were always on the lips not in the mouth.

My kids have had herpes sores in both places. Lysine eliminated them.

A few times, sores were caused by food issues, and interestingly

enough, selenium eliminated those.

Dana

[Guest guest]

For a list of food sources of arganine, go to:

http://dietaryfiberfood.com/larginine-high.php

My PDR for supplements indicates that " typical dosage used for

possible prevention of herpes simplex virus recurrence is 500 mg to 3

grams daily. The average dose is 1 gram daily. Higher doses are

split throughout the day. " It also indicates that " Doses up to 3

grams daily are generally well tolerated. " and that higher doses may

cause GI symptoms.

I have heard that valtrex stirs up yeast, so I'm guessing that lysine

could do the same thing. It's all such a vicious cycle. So, for us,

we simply watch the food intake and give a precautionary l-lysine cap

(500 mg) along with any meal containing high arganine. It's worked

pretty well so far.

Good luck,

Nina

> >

> > We have learned to give Lysine every time our son ingests anything

> > with high levels of arganine (peanut butter, chocolate, etc). Once he

> > broke out (exactly as you described below), he began to break out

> > relatively frequently until we figured this out.

>

> Thanks Nina. I gave her 500 mg of lysine last night before bed time.

> How much is OK to give of this?

>

> As for the reaction to a food, I read in the archives that for lots of

> people, sores were food related. Her diet is already pretty

> restrictive so I don't know what food could be causing this.

> >

> > You might also want to consider daily dose valtrex now that it appears

> > as though you have a " viral kiddo. "

>

> Yes I do believe that she's a viral kiddo, but I haven't addressed

> this problem yet. Or rather, I should say that I haven't tried any Rx

> anti-virals yet, just the naturals like OLE and Lauricidin but they

> caused way too much yeast. I've read that Andy suggests taking

> naturals anti-virals with Valtrex since they compliment each other,

> but I just don't know how to manage the yeast effectively while she's

> in school.

>

> Does Valtrex cause problems with yeast?

>

[Guest guest]

chuckling in this very recent post, there is an url to a " food

list " site. wishing all the best, elizabeth

>

> For a list of food sources of arganine, go to:

>

> http://dietaryfiberfood.com/larginine-high.php

>

> My PDR for supplements indicates that " typical dosage used for

> possible prevention of herpes simplex virus recurrence is 500 mg to 3

> grams daily. The average dose is 1 gram daily. Higher doses are

> split throughout the day. " It also indicates that " Doses up to 3

> grams daily are generally well tolerated. " and that higher doses may

> cause GI symptoms.

>

> I have heard that valtrex stirs up yeast, so I'm guessing that lysine

> could do the same thing. It's all such a vicious cycle. So, for us,

> we simply watch the food intake and give a precautionary l-lysine cap

> (500 mg) along with any meal containing high arganine. It's worked

> pretty well so far.

>

> Good luck,

> Nina

[Guest guest]

I second the Lysine - 500mg at least per day until it subsides.

Another thing you may want to check out is hand-mouth disease

(sackie virus).

Check the hands for spots that turn to hard blister-type sores.

My son had this a few months back. Lysine will help.

Jen

>

> My daughter bottom gums are red and painful and it really hurts her

> when I brush her teeth. And recently, I noticed that she also has

> sores in her inside bottom lip and on her tongue.

>

> I've read in the archives that herpes can cause sores, but are these

> on the lips or inside the mouth? I used to get herpes cold sores but

> they were always on the lips not in the mouth.

>

> Any ideas about what is causing the sores and the red gums? And what I

> can give her that may help for both problems?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

right -- it's a food list of items containing high arganine, which

encourages herpes simplex in the absence of lysine...

> >

> > For a list of food sources of arganine, go to:

> >

> > http://dietaryfiberfood.com/larginine-high.php

> >

> > My PDR for supplements indicates that " typical dosage used for

> > possible prevention of herpes simplex virus recurrence is 500 mg to 3

> > grams daily. The average dose is 1 gram daily. Higher doses are

> > split throughout the day. " It also indicates that " Doses up to 3

> > grams daily are generally well tolerated. " and that higher doses may

> > cause GI symptoms.

> >

> > I have heard that valtrex stirs up yeast, so I'm guessing that lysine

> > could do the same thing. It's all such a vicious cycle. So, for us,

> > we simply watch the food intake and give a precautionary l-lysine cap

> > (500 mg) along with any meal containing high arganine. It's worked

> > pretty well so far.

> >

> > Good luck,

> > Nina

>