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Well once again I try to help somebody and some else takes offense

based upon some trivial part of the post that has nothing to do with

the information provided.

I don't know why everyone is so touchy on this group lately. But I

guess that's why you don't see too many of us helping anymore. We get

tired of constantly defending ourselves over things that honestly are

small.

Let me correct things then, ok SOME of us old timers except Anita do

not recommend Carlson's. I will explain why. I though my orignial post

said " us old timers " ..not ALL old timers. I had meant to put " some of

us old timers " but I was in a hurry and am human so I do make

mistakes, but that seems to be not tolerated lately on this board.

So to appease the masses who wish to pick apart any free help they

might get on this board...SOME OF US old timers recommend Nordic and

Green Pastures based upon OUR research of assays on these products and

since Carlsons' would not furnish one, we felt there was no way to

verify how pure their oil is, other than a claim on the bottle. We

were not willing to risk putting mercury back into our children and

felt it best to use oils that could provide that verification.

And I am not sure why you mentioned PPB's.

PPB's was not was I was referring to in my last post but PCB's which

are chemicals,that are found in some fish products and you do not want

to eat them. So I am not sure how PPB's got put into this. I never

mentioned those. (PPB's: parts per billion) (PCB's are polychlorinated

biphenyls).

I am sorry you bought three bottles of bad Nordic's. I don't use

Nordics. But that would be the people you purchased it from, because

the one bottle I did buy three years ago was fine. Fish oil should

never smell bad, I think I also stated that. In fact, it kept nicely

in the fridge for over a year. After that it began to smell and we

threw it away. You should have returned it. We chose to switch to

Green Pasture because we wanted high vitamin CLO. Otherwise we

probably would have kept using it. But that aside. Your problem is not

with my information. It was because you thought I included you in my

reference. I did not. In fact, honestly, I don't know you and I don't

confer with you offline as I do other " oldtimers " .

Well, I am clearing it that I did not refer to you personally. And

Carlson' standards may be good for you, but others have a right to

examine them themselves and make their own choice. If they can get a

hold of the assays. And maybe Green Pastures didn't work for you. But

that does not mean that no one else can know about it?? Or did I miss

something here.

Obviously not everything works for everyone, and you like your

Carlsons. That's fine.

I don't see the big deal because I chose not to use it because they

refuse to proove it was pure. Let's face I am not busting my hump to

get mercury out of my kid, so that I can pay for oil that contains it

and then feed that to him. I would not want another parent to do that

either.

So I apologize if you thought I spoke for you personally. That was not

my intention.

-- In , " Anita " <mysuperteach@...> wrote:

>

> Yes, I realize it is up to the individual to make a choice and I am

> aware of the posts you refer to. I am more comfortable with you not

> speaking for all of the " old-timers " on the board. Carlson CLO is

> indepedently tested. The tests can only test for so many PPBs and

> Carlson meets the standard for that.

>

> My own experience, buying 3 different bottles at 3 different times of

> Nordic Naturals has not been good. I had to return/dump all three

> bottles because they smelled so very fishy. I also stopped used a

> brand recommended by WAP as it didn't work for me. I develop

> very " lovely " but handy chicken skin when I'm low in omega 3s and in

> switching from Carlson to this other brand, my chicken skin came back

> very quickly.

>

> So, although I am aware of Carlson's (stupid IMO) decision not to

> provide assays to individual customers, they do have their products

> independently tested to standards stringent enough to satisfy me, esp

> in regard to vitamin A and D levels.

>

> Anita

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I would note that Carlson's is not one of the clo's us old

> timers on

> > > > the group recommend.

> > >

> > > Jan,

> > >

> > > Actually, I suppose I am an oldtimer and it is the oil I use.

> Could

> > > you clarify your reasons to people as to why you don't recommend

> it.

> > >

> > > Anita

> > >

> >

>

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>

> Well once again I try to help somebody and some else takes offense

> based upon some trivial part of the post that has nothing to do with

> the information provided.

I would say that implying you speak for the 5000 or so " old-timers "

on this list actually isn't trivial. Lots of people I know use

Carlson's. I asked you why you said what you said to verify I hadn't

missed anything crucial about the product, which I hadn't, and then I

pointed out polited that I prefer that people speak for themselves on

the group. That may seem trivial to you. It's not to me.

> I don't know why everyone is so touchy on this group lately. But I

> guess that's why you don't see too many of us helping anymore. We

get

> tired of constantly defending ourselves over things that honestly

are

> small.

> Let me correct things then, ok SOME of us old timers except Anita do

> not recommend Carlson's.

I think you're missing my point. Lots of people use Carlsons. Lots

of them I know who have been on the group longer than you. I don't

think any of us should speak for the thousands on this group.

I will explain why. I though my orignial post

> said " us old timers " ..not ALL old timers. I had meant to put " some

of

> us old timers " but I was in a hurry and am human so I do make

> mistakes, but that seems to be not tolerated lately on this board.

Why should we " tolerate " mistakes? I didn't make a big deal out of

this, but the reason that a large group like this is a good source of

information is that people can (and should) correct each other.

People make the effort to answer public forums like this so that

mistakes are noticed, corrected, and someone who comes along a year

from now can read a thread and get the best information possible.

>

> So to appease the masses who wish to pick apart any free help they

> might get on this board...SOME OF US old timers recommend Nordic and

> Green Pastures based upon OUR research of assays on these products

and

> since Carlsons' would not furnish one, we felt there was no way to

> verify how pure their oil is, other than a claim on the bottle. We

> were not willing to risk putting mercury back into our children and

> felt it best to use oils that could provide that verification.

I also think that Carlsons is stupid not to provide an assay to

anyone who asks, but in reality, one assay provided by a company in

regard to CLO isn't complete assurance either. CLO is tested very

regularily by companies like NN, Carlson, etc. Unless we get quite a

number of assays over time, it really isn't complete assurance that

the CLO we're buying is the quality we want.

>

> And I am not sure why you mentioned PPB's.

> PPB's was not was I was referring to in my last post but PCB's which

> are chemicals,that are found in some fish products and you do not

want

> to eat them. So I am not sure how PPB's got put into this. I never

> mentioned those. (PPB's: parts per billion) (PCB's are

polychlorinated

> biphenyls).

I mention PPBs because that is an important part of the discussion.

Mercury, etc, in PPBs in the CLO.

>

> I am sorry you bought three bottles of bad Nordic's. I don't use

> Nordics. But that would be the people you purchased it from, because

> the one bottle I did buy three years ago was fine.

Not sure what you mean by that. Because your bottle of NN was fine,

it must mean that all NN is fine and the problem was with the three

different suppliers I bought mine from? I wanted to use NN because

it was highly recommended but that didn't work for us. Returning

fish oil I import from the States wasn't feasible and so Carlson's

seemed a better product for us as I've never had to return/dump it.

Fish oil should

> never smell bad, I think I also stated that. In fact, it kept nicely

> in the fridge for over a year. After that it began to smell and we

> threw it away. You should have returned it. We chose to switch to

> Green Pasture because we wanted high vitamin CLO. Otherwise we

> probably would have kept using it. But that aside. Your problem is

not

> with my information. It was because you thought I included you in my

> reference. I did not. In fact, honestly, I don't know you and I

don't

> confer with you offline as I do other " oldtimers " .

It is irrelevant whether you know me or not. My post stated that I

prefer you not speak for " us oldtimers " . Whether you intended to or

not, that's what your post sounded like you were doing. There is not

unanimity on this issue and I think it's important to present that

accurately. Especially since these posts stay around a long time,

after the posters are perhaps around to clarify their intentions.

> Well, I am clearing it that I did not refer to you personally. And

> Carlson' standards may be good for you, but others have a right to

> examine them themselves and make their own choice. If they can get a

> hold of the assays. And maybe Green Pastures didn't work for you.

But

> that does not mean that no one else can know about it?? Or did I

miss

> something here.

I don't have a clue what you're talking about here. I was simply

sharing my experience. Not saying no one should use Green Pastures.

In fact, I wasn't even referring to green pastures but another of

their recommended CLOs here in the UK. I think people should know

that no product is perfect for everyone and if something that can be

as important to our kids as CLO doesn't seem to work, try another

brand.

Anita

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>

> Why should we " tolerate " mistakes?

Just to clarify, I am using tolerate here in the sense that you seem to

be, as in ignore.

Certainly, everyone makes mistakes. Myself, I feel confident posting

about something so important and complex as biomedical interventions

for our kids because I know that if I say something that is wrong,

unclear, debatable, etc, someone will likely point that out and help

refine the information.

My original post was polite. I see no problem asking someone to speak

for themselves and not for others. I see no reason to ignore mistakes,

lack of clarity, debate, etc. We would do so at great risk, IMO.

Anita