Re: Why is my child better on chelation??

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Mine too - he is so great on round it's amazing. We're doing dmsa and ala.

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Subject: [ ] Why is my child better on chelation??

Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more abstract

expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold Diet type

kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles under his

eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but it's just

amazing how well he does on ALA.

Thanks,

Pam

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It might be what Moria said, maybe our kids are low in sulfur? When

they are taking the ALA they are getting the sulfur they need?

>

> Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

> chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more abstract

> expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

> chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold Diet type

> kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles under his

> eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but it's just

> amazing how well he does on ALA.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

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,

How many rounds did you use just DMSA before you added ALA? My boys are high in

lead. So I know we need to do DMSA, but I am excited to see benefits from ALA.

Do you think I could DMSA alone for the first month and then add in ALA?

Dana

michellebondy wrote:

> It might be what Moria said, maybe our kids are low in sulfur?

When

> they are taking the ALA they are getting the sulfur they need?

>

>>

>> Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

>> chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more abstract

>> expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

>> chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold Diet type

>> kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles under his

>> eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but it's just

>> amazing how well he does on ALA.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Pam

>>

>

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Other possible factors are ALA is a strong antioxidant, and ASD kids

suffer from a lot of oxidative stress.

I also wonder if this indirectly effects inflammation. A lot of parents

report their kids seem a lot more " present " during a fever, and this may

be due to the fever keeping inflammation in check.

Like so many biochemical processes is may be a combination of factors.

michellebondy wrote:

>

> It might be what Moria said, maybe our kids are low in sulfur? When

> they are taking the ALA they are getting the sulfur they need?

>

>

> >

> > Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

> > chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more abstract

> > expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

> > chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold Diet type

> > kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles under his

> > eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but it's just

> > amazing how well he does on ALA.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Pam

> >

>

>

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Could we start with ALA for the first several rounds and then later add in DMSA?

My boys are high in mercury, lead, and arsenic.

Dana

Reynolds wrote:

> Other possible factors are ALA is a strong antioxidant, and ASD

kids

> suffer from a lot of oxidative stress.

> I also wonder if this indirectly effects inflammation. A lot of parents

> report their kids seem a lot more " present " during a fever, and this may

> be due to the fever keeping inflammation in check.

> Like so many biochemical processes is may be a combination of factors.

> michellebondy wrote:

>>

>> It might be what Moria said, maybe our kids are low in sulfur? When

>> they are taking the ALA they are getting the sulfur they need?

>>

>>

>> >

>> > Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

>> > chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more abstract

>> > expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

>> > chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold Diet type

>> > kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles under his

>> > eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but it's just

>> > amazing how well he does on ALA.

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> >

>> > Pam

>> >

>>

>>

>

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I was thinking for my child it might have something to do with sulfur

because he has problems with the sulfation pathway. I'm just not sure

whether it's not enough phenosulfurtranserase enzyme; or he can't

convert sufur to sufate; or there's something else going on. Hyper

has always been a recurring problem with him.

Regarding the fever and inflamation, he is actually worse from a

fever. When we started onthis journey, I used to try and keep him as

germ free as possible because any cold virus would always go into

pneumonia. He can now ward off viruses and his immune system is much

stronger.

It's just the strangest thing. He's so much different on the

chelator.. I would say just about recovered.

Thanks for the help.

Pam

> > >

> > > Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

> > > chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more abstract

> > > expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

> > > chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold Diet type

> > > kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles under his

> > > eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but it's just

> > > amazing how well he does on ALA.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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My daughter had a significant body burden of lead so we started with

DMSA only for a few months. We saw significant gains from just this, so

I'm glad we dealt with the lead before starting ALA.

But many people start with DMSA and ALA.

With lead definitely being an issue, I'd want DMSA in the fight right

from the start. By doing DMSA alone, you'll also quickly know if you've

got issues with DMSA specifically.

dana pope wrote:

>

> Could we start with ALA for the first several rounds and then later

> add in DMSA? My boys are high in mercury, lead, and arsenic.

>

> Dana

>

> Reynolds wrote:

> > Other possible factors are ALA is a strong antioxidant, and ASD kids

> > suffer from a lot of oxidative stress.

> > I also wonder if this indirectly effects inflammation. A lot of parents

> > report their kids seem a lot more " present " during a fever, and this

> may

> > be due to the fever keeping inflammation in check.

> > Like so many biochemical processes is may be a combination of factors.

> > michellebondy wrote:

> >>

> >> It might be what Moria said, maybe our kids are low in sulfur? When

> >> they are taking the ALA they are getting the sulfur they need?

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> > Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

> >> > chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more abstract

> >> > expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

> >> > chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold Diet type

> >> > kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles under his

> >> > eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but it's just

> >> > amazing how well he does on ALA.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks,

> >> >

> >> > Pam

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >

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Unfortunately, my child didn't do better on chelators, I don't know

exactly what that means, but now that we have stopped everything but

a few supplements (taking a break for awhile), he is doing GREAT! I

think he was just REALLY toxic.

No question in my mind whether I will keep going with ALA, soooo

worth all the gains. He is mainstreamed half day and sometimes talks

just like he is typical. We are getting great facial expressions too

that we have never seen before LOL. He's like a flower blossoming

before our eyes.

> > >> >

> > >> > Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on

ALA

> > >> > chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more

abstract

> > >> > expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on

the

> > >> > chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold

Diet type

> > >> > kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles

under his

> > >> > eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but

it's just

> > >> > amazing how well he does on ALA.

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks,

> > >> >

> > >> > Pam

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

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, Where did you purchase DMSA and what is the protocol?

Kathy

Re: [ ] Re: Why is my child better on chelation??

> My daughter had a significant body burden of lead so we started with

> DMSA only for a few months. We saw significant gains from just this, so

> I'm glad we dealt with the lead before starting ALA.

>

> But many people start with DMSA and ALA.

>

> With lead definitely being an issue, I'd want DMSA in the fight right

> from the start. By doing DMSA alone, you'll also quickly know if you've

> got issues with DMSA specifically.

>

>

>

>

>

> dana pope wrote:

>>

>> Could we start with ALA for the first several rounds and then later

>> add in DMSA? My boys are high in mercury, lead, and arsenic.

>>

>> Dana

>>

>> Reynolds wrote:

>> > Other possible factors are ALA is a strong antioxidant, and ASD kids

>> > suffer from a lot of oxidative stress.

>> > I also wonder if this indirectly effects inflammation. A lot of parents

>> > report their kids seem a lot more " present " during a fever, and this

>> may

>> > be due to the fever keeping inflammation in check.

>> > Like so many biochemical processes is may be a combination of factors.

>> > michellebondy wrote:

>> >>

>> >> It might be what Moria said, maybe our kids are low in sulfur? When

>> >> they are taking the ALA they are getting the sulfur they need?

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >> > Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

>> >> > chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more abstract

>> >> > expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

>> >> > chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold Diet type

>> >> > kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles under his

>> >> > eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but it's just

>> >> > amazing how well he does on ALA.

>> >> >

>> >> > Thanks,

>> >> >

>> >> > Pam

>> >> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

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We follow Cutler protocol for chelation.

We have used DMSA from a compounding pharmacy as well as DMSA from VRP.

http://www.vrp.com/ProductPage.aspx?ProdID=8112

Hudson wrote:

>

> , Where did you purchase DMSA and what is the protocol?

> Kathy

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Why is my child better on chelation??

>

> > My daughter had a significant body burden of lead so we started with

> > DMSA only for a few months. We saw significant gains from just this, so

> > I'm glad we dealt with the lead before starting ALA.

> >

> > But many people start with DMSA and ALA.

> >

> > With lead definitely being an issue, I'd want DMSA in the fight right

> > from the start. By doing DMSA alone, you'll also quickly know if you've

> > got issues with DMSA specifically.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > dana pope wrote:

> >>

> >> Could we start with ALA for the first several rounds and then later

> >> add in DMSA? My boys are high in mercury, lead, and arsenic.

> >>

> >> Dana

> >>

> >> Reynolds wrote:

> >> > Other possible factors are ALA is a strong antioxidant, and ASD kids

> >> > suffer from a lot of oxidative stress.

> >> > I also wonder if this indirectly effects inflammation. A lot of

> parents

> >> > report their kids seem a lot more " present " during a fever, and this

> >> may

> >> > be due to the fever keeping inflammation in check.

> >> > Like so many biochemical processes is may be a combination of

> factors.

> >> > michellebondy wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> It might be what Moria said, maybe our kids are low in sulfur? When

> >> >> they are taking the ALA they are getting the sulfur they need?

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

> >> >> > chelator? He's so much more " on; " more receptive with more

> abstract

> >> >> > expressions. He's much closer to being neurotypical when on the

> >> >> > chelator. He would also be described as more of a Feingold

> Diet type

> >> >> > kid with hyperactivity, distractibility, and dark circles

> under his

> >> >> > eyes. Not sure if the two characteristics are related, but

> it's just

> >> >> > amazing how well he does on ALA.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Thanks,

> >> >> >

> >> >> > Pam

> >> >> >

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >

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>

> Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

> chelator?

For my son, it appears it was because he was also mineral toxic, and

ALA did reduce levels of certain minerals here.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana, did you give extra minerals while chelating? I wonder about

minerals with my daughter as well. I wonder if I should only supp with

zinc.

> >

> > Anyone have any idea why my child is so much better when on ALA

> > chelator?

>

>

> For my son, it appears it was because he was also mineral toxic, and

> ALA did reduce levels of certain minerals here.

>

> Dana

>

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>

> I was thinking for my child it might have something to do with sulfur

> because he has problems with the sulfation pathway.

Most people who are mercury toxic have sulfur problems --- but they

don't all have the same sort of problem. Some have too much and

some have too little. If your child has too little, then ALA

could help a lot, and so would other things.

I was going to give you a link to the SULFUR section of the

page called " andy_index " on my site -- but something is wrong

with earthlink right now and my site doesn't answer right.

So here is what I *think* it is -- but this could be wrong:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/andy_index.html#sulfer

best,

Moria

[Guest guest]

There is also onibasu.com - go to the wiki - the button thing is on

the top right of page. In the wiki, there is a page on sulfation.

Moria's site rocks, but while waiting, could check there. wishing you

the best, elizabeth

> >

> > I was thinking for my child it might have something to do with sulfur

> > because he has problems with the sulfation pathway.

>

> Most people who are mercury toxic have sulfur problems --- but they

> don't all have the same sort of problem. Some have too much and

> some have too little. If your child has too little, then ALA

> could help a lot, and so would other things.

>

> I was going to give you a link to the SULFUR section of the

> page called " andy_index " on my site -- but something is wrong

> with earthlink right now and my site doesn't answer right.

> So here is what I *think* it is -- but this could be wrong:

>

> http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/andy_index.html#sulfer

>

>

> best,

> Moria

>

[Guest guest]

The link Moria posted looked wrong (aha, sulfur with an e - just

went there, link pasted below for the sulfur page.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html#sulfur

wishing all the best, elizabeth

> > >

> > > I was thinking for my child it might have something to do with

sulfur

> > > because he has problems with the sulfation pathway.

> >

> > Most people who are mercury toxic have sulfur problems --- but they

> > don't all have the same sort of problem. Some have too much and

> > some have too little. If your child has too little, then ALA

> > could help a lot, and so would other things.

> >

> > I was going to give you a link to the SULFUR section of the

> > page called " andy_index " on my site -- but something is wrong

> > with earthlink right now and my site doesn't answer right.

> > So here is what I *think* it is -- but this could be wrong:

> >

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/andy_index.html#sulfer

> >

> >

> > best,

> > Moria

> >

>

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>

> Dana, did you give extra minerals while chelating? I wonder about

> minerals with my daughter as well. I wonder if I should only supp with

> zinc.

My #2 and #3 only needed zinc, selenium, magnesium, and potassium.

My #1 also needed copper.

My #4 needed a multi mineral supplement.

Dana