Re: writing in the air stim

November 29, 2008

Here is how Dana helped her son:

http://www.danasview.net/dec04.htm

>

> My son " writes in the air " constantly, like, 98% of the time he's

> awake. I'm going to try the high dose Vitamin A as soon as it comes

in because i consider this a visual stim. Can anyone share success

stories with this helping their child's writing in the air? Any thing

else i can try? We're chelating (round 40) and doing the required

chelating supplements, plus rotating food, enzymes, probiotics, CLO.

> TIA,

> Sherry

>

November 29, 2008

>

> My son " writes in the air " constantly, like, 98% of the time he's

> awake.

At my house, folic acid was the primary supplement that eliminated this.

Other things that helped were B12, B1, anti-fungals, and anti-virals.

But folic was primary.

Dana

November 29, 2008

> >

> > My son " writes in the air " constantly, like, 98% of the time he's

> > awake.

>

> At my house, folic acid was the primary supplement that eliminated

this.

>

> Other things that helped were B12, B1, anti-fungals, and anti-virals.

> But folic was primary.

>

> Dana

***He's been on folinic acid for over three years, not high does, but

by now you would think he'd be fully loaded......i will try more anti-

virals after the high dose vit. A. Thank you.

November 30, 2008

My son went through a " phase " I call it of writing words in the air and

writing in the air answers to questions and we were worried but it went on

for some time while he was learning to read...how old is your son? Is it

related to learning to read or write? I am new to learning all this and I am

just wondering how folic acid and B vits help with this particular

behaviour? What the connection might be?

Bekah

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:42 PM, s_hoobler <sherryhoobler@...>wrote:

>

> > >

> > > My son " writes in the air " constantly, like, 98% of the time he's

> > > awake.

> >

> > At my house, folic acid was the primary supplement that eliminated

> this.

> >

> > Other things that helped were B12, B1, anti-fungals, and anti-virals.

> > But folic was primary.

> >

> > Dana

> ***He's been on folinic acid for over three years, not high does, but

> by now you would think he'd be fully loaded......i will try more anti-

> virals after the high dose vit. A. Thank you.

>

November 30, 2008

> ***He's been on folinic acid for over three years, not high does, but

> by now you would think he'd be fully loaded......i will try more anti-

> virals after the high dose vit. A.

If you are giving B12 and/or TMG, those deplete folic acid. So any

supplementing of the folic that you do, would be going to the B12/TMG,

and not to increasing stores in the body. So after three years of

folic, your child might still be deficient.

My son was SEVERELY folic deficient. There was one period of several

months, where I gave him 40mg 3x per day. This was approx 1 bottle of

folic per day. Most kids don't need nearly that much, but some do.

How much folic do you give per day? Try giving an extra 800mcg, see

if that reduces his writing-in-the-air. If it actually *increases*

it, then he would no longer need the folic. Folic was one of the

supps that actually *caused* the same problem that initially it

eliminated, once my son no longer needed supplementation.

Dana

November 30, 2008

Hi Sherry, my son was diagnosed as high functioning autism 4 days ago.

He is constantly doing this writing in the air also. He stands next to

signs, copying the writing in the air too. If you know of a reason why

they do this, could you let me know please!!!! Am knew to all this.

Thanks, Lou x

>

> My son " writes in the air " constantly, like, 98% of the time he's

> awake. I'm going to try the high dose Vitamin A as soon as it comes

in

> because i consider this a visual stim. Can anyone share success

stories

> with this helping their child's writing in the air? Any thing else i

> can try? We're chelating (round 40) and doing the required chelating

> supplements, plus rotating food, enzymes, probiotics, CLO.

> TIA,

> Sherry

November 30, 2008

Hi all,

from my " for what it's worth " department:

I am persuaded that our children often write in the air because they're

taught to by educators and therapists--it's often a first or second step

in learning to read/write (later, the " air tracing " becomes tracing on

paper or it's taught simultaneously). Why would ASD children do it in

other settings or in " inappropriate " settings? Well, i don't know, but

i wouldnt find it surprising given that a big part of their challenge is

" social inappropriateness " . Could folinic/folic acid impact this

behavior? I believe it's plausible inasmuch as folinic acid helps

social behaviors become more appropriate (at least it has for my own two

daughters both of whom have the medical diagnosis of ASD).

Hope this is helpful,

Jeff

November 30, 2008

i believe you are right about this...as a homeschooler i seen my son doing

more intense writing in the air when learning to read...he also does a lot

of repetitive hand motions that are in his mind re-enactments of fave shows

etc. Could it be that our kids just do these things more intensely and

repetitively than others. I would like to know how folic acid helps with

this and how to determine if I should start him on it? How much for a 5yo?

Bekah

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:37 PM, icedraisin <pratamedmig@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> from my " for what it's worth " department:

>

> I am persuaded that our children often write in the air because they're

> taught to by educators and therapists--it's often a first or second step

> in learning to read/write (later, the " air tracing " becomes tracing on

> paper or it's taught simultaneously). Why would ASD children do it in

> other settings or in " inappropriate " settings? Well, i don't know, but

> i wouldnt find it surprising given that a big part of their challenge is

> " social inappropriateness " . Could folinic/folic acid impact this

> behavior? I believe it's plausible inasmuch as folinic acid helps

> social behaviors become more appropriate (at least it has for my own two

> daughters both of whom have the medical diagnosis of ASD).

>

> Hope this is helpful,

>

> Jeff

>

November 30, 2008

What is the safe dosage for folic acid? What kind do I buy? Is is liquid or

tablet? Any side effects? My son is almost 4 at about 38 pounds and PDD-NOS

and does this a lot. I would like to try this. He is currently reading sight

words and writing them on paper. I have not talked to my DAN about it yet but

it has been going on for several months. Is it safe to start folic acid without

his approval since he is on so many other supplements? Anything it could react

with? We do not currently have a viral protocol in place, but I am dying to

start one. I don't know if he has virals, but it couldn't hurt him could it?

PLEASE HELP!! Thanks!

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From: " rebekah byson " <bybekah@...>

My son went through a " phase " I call it of writing words in the air and

writing in the air answers to questions and we were worried but it went on

for some time while he was learning to read...how old is your son? Is it

related to learning to read or write? I am new to learning all this and I am

just wondering how folic acid and B vits help with this particular

behaviour? What the connection might be?

Bekah

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:42 PM, s_hoobler <sherryhoobler@...>wrote:

>

> > >

> > > My son " writes in the air " constantly, like, 98% of the time he's

> > > awake.

> >

> > At my house, folic acid was the primary supplement that eliminated

> this.

> >

> > Other things that helped were B12, B1, anti-fungals, and anti-virals.

> > But folic was primary.

> >

> > Dana

> ***He's been on folinic acid for over three years, not high does, but

> by now you would think he'd be fully loaded......i will try more anti-

> virals after the high dose vit. A. Thank you.

>

December 1, 2008

>>I would like to know how folic acid helps with

> this and how to determine if I should start him on it? How much for

a 5yo?

I don't know why folic eliminated about 90% of this problem for my

son, but it did. Most kids seem to need 800-1600mcg folic per day.

Some kids need folinic and some need Folapro. My son required

carnitine for proper absorption of the folic.

Dana

December 1, 2008

> What is the safe dosage for folic acid? What kind do I buy? Is is

liquid or tablet?

It appears that most kids need 800-1600mcg. My son needed more.

I used tablets.

>>Any side effects?

At my house, it did require carnitine for proper absorption, and it

did tend to increast yeast. Some kids need folinic, some need Folapro.

Dana

December 1, 2008

>

> My son went through a " phase " I call it of writing words in the air

and

> writing in the air answers to questions and we were worried but it

went on

> for some time while he was learning to read...how old is your son?

Is it

> related to learning to read or write? I am new to learning all this

and I am

> just wondering how folic acid and B vits help with this particular

> behaviour? What the connection might be?

> Bekah

>

*** My son is six. He's been reading since he was three and is not

hyperlexic. He " writes " numbers, letters, sentences, names

everything, all day long. Been doing this for well over a year,

probably closer to two. Before he was verbal (2 1/2)he would be

sitting in our van and when the CD player was on he would have one

hand held up with the CD # and the other hand held up with the track

#, when the track changed, so would the # being held up with his

hand. Did you follow that?? LOL When we eat, he " writes " on the

table, when we play games he " writes " on the carpet. It probably is

part obsession. I'd tried high dose inositol, but that didn't do a

thing. I have to go back through my notes to see when i stopped the

folinic acid and when i added it back in. It didn't seem to change

the " writing " though.

Sherry

December 1, 2008

> > ***He's been on folinic acid for over three years, not high does,

but

> > by now you would think he'd be fully loaded......i will try more

anti-

> > virals after the high dose vit. A.

>

> If you are giving B12 and/or TMG, those deplete folic acid. So any

> supplementing of the folic that you do, would be going to the

B12/TMG,

> and not to increasing stores in the body. So after three years of

> folic, your child might still be deficient.

>

> My son was SEVERELY folic deficient. There was one period of

several

> months, where I gave him 40mg 3x per day. This was approx 1 bottle

of

> folic per day. Most kids don't need nearly that much, but some do.

>

> How much folic do you give per day? Try giving an extra 800mcg, see

> if that reduces his writing-in-the-air. If it actually *increases*

> it, then he would no longer need the folic. Folic was one of the

> supps that actually *caused* the same problem that initially it

> eliminated, once my son no longer needed supplementation.

>

> Dana

***Yikes, a bottle a day! I'm giving nothing compared to that. I had

stopped for over six months, started again, giving 400mcg 3X a day.

Recently added MB12 and never used the TMG. I will up this and give

with carnitine. I've tried taking away computer time, time-outs, and

evening putting his arm down myself, nothing works, this is one

powerful stim! Thanks again,

Sherry

December 1, 2008

>

> Hi Sherry, my son was diagnosed as high functioning autism 4 days

ago.

> He is constantly doing this writing in the air also. He stands next

to

> signs, copying the writing in the air too. If you know of a reason

why

> they do this, could you let me know please!!!! Am knew to all this.

> Thanks, Lou x

>

***I'm thinking this is habit/obsession. VERY hard to break. I'm going

to try upping the folinic acid as per Dana and see what happens. Really

makes the kids stand out, dosen't it? I've had people tell me, oh, he's

figuring out math problems and others who ask if he has autism.

Sherry

December 1, 2008

My little guy is 12 and verbal - we ask him what he is 'writing' in

the air and sometimes he is writing numbers/letters/words and other

times he is 'drawing' pictures. We give him paper and pencil to use,

plus verbal cues to remind him not everyone writes in the air all the

time, but many do it some of the time. We all laugh about it,

including him and it subsides. Then he will do it to get a laugh.

Best,

Rick

http://www.CuteLittleSucker.com

> >

> > Hi Sherry, my son was diagnosed as high functioning autism 4 days

> ago.

> > He is constantly doing this writing in the air also. He stands next

> to

> > signs, copying the writing in the air too. If you know of a reason

> why

> > they do this, could you let me know please!!!! Am knew to all this.

> > Thanks, Lou x

> >

> ***I'm thinking this is habit/obsession. VERY hard to break. I'm going

> to try upping the folinic acid as per Dana and see what happens. Really

> makes the kids stand out, dosen't it? I've had people tell me, oh, he's

> figuring out math problems and others who ask if he has autism.

> Sherry

>

December 2, 2008

This reminds me of a hand in the air stim that my 5yo son does...he will

mimic scenes from a favorite show with his hands in an obsessive can't stop

way. Also we have a stim that only occurs in the winter months. We have a

Christmas display at our local park that he loves and for ever he is taking

his hands and imitating the position of the various display figures (santa,

bears, disney characters etc). He has done this ever since he was 3 and he

means to do it...he has a amazing memory to recall all the display in order

and how they are positioned but it is a little disconcerting when he is

" lost " in a store just dazed walking about doing these odd movements with

his hands. So far our OT has said to just tell him that is a " game " to play

at home but it really gets disruptive around our house in the winter.

This seems related to the writing in the air. WHAT IS THIS? WHY? I am trying

to figure out what my child is thinking? On the one hand it seems as if he

is enjoying himself he obviously loves the park display...but doing this

with his hands all day is not what we want to see, right?

So folic acid has been helpful for these types of things...yeah? i would

like some more info on results people have seen with these things. Behaviour

as well as supps.

Bekah

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:51 PM, rwb000 <gtm1@...> wrote:

> My little guy is 12 and verbal - we ask him what he is 'writing' in

> the air and sometimes he is writing numbers/letters/words and other

> times he is 'drawing' pictures. We give him paper and pencil to use,

> plus verbal cues to remind him not everyone writes in the air all the

> time, but many do it some of the time. We all laugh about it,

> including him and it subsides. Then he will do it to get a laugh.

> Best,

> Rick

>

> http://www.CuteLittleSucker.com <http://www.cutelittlesucker.com/>

>

> > >

> > > Hi Sherry, my son was diagnosed as high functioning autism 4 days

> > ago.

> > > He is constantly doing this writing in the air also. He stands next

> > to

> > > signs, copying the writing in the air too. If you know of a reason

> > why

> > > they do this, could you let me know please!!!! Am knew to all this.

> > > Thanks, Lou x

> > >

> > ***I'm thinking this is habit/obsession. VERY hard to break. I'm going

> > to try upping the folinic acid as per Dana and see what happens. Really

> > makes the kids stand out, dosen't it? I've had people tell me, oh, he's

> > figuring out math problems and others who ask if he has autism.

> > Sherry

> >

>

December 3, 2008

Just a positive perspective on this. I think many ASD kiddos have a very

uniquely set up artistic

mind. I have heard adults with autism explain how they see things differently

and sometimes

in magnificent patterns. They can make patterns and art in their minds with

objects like no one else...So

it can be seen as a stimm ...but may in fact be ..that they are very gifted.

Some of the best art comes

from people on the spectrum : )

On the other hand..... until our kids are met with acceptance in their unique

abilities..these behaviors

can worry us parents.. My son doesn't write in the air but if he starts to do

this ..I know I will be

right there with you, looking for help : ) ...Just wanted to give you a little

piece of positive.

EB

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From: rebekah byson <bybekah@...>

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Subject: Re: [ ] Re: " writing in the air " stim