Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 It would be helpful, for people to comment, if you gave a complete list of the supplements. >Hi all >I recently let my son go a few days without supplements. He had missed >a weekend chelation round because of allergies/cold so I thought it >was a fair time to try going without. The result? He had the best day, >had more energy than I've seen in a long time. Today, I gave him all >his supps again and he was so lethargic all day. So, now what? He has >been fighting them lately, maybe he doesn't need them anymore? Should >I be cutting out the extras, like the mito supps? I'm wondering if I >should cut back to the essentials for minerals replacement and >flushing metals? >Kes > > -- Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I found this same thing recently with my daughter. I stopped all of her biotin, cut down on magnesium (way down), stopped CLO and switched to Vit A fish oils a couple times a week and she is calmer and less irritated. She is doing much better without so many things and it's been over a week now. The only time I will increase her yeast meds is during chelation rounds, but I have also found that her yeast isn't a huge issue anymore during chelation and we have only done 13 rounds so far. I don think sometimes there are too many supps. I am focusing more on bacteria, parasites and liver now and the big thing being metals. My daughter doesn't even get B vits at the moment because I found they made her crazy, high pitched squealing and hyper. I do give her minerals though and enzymes. I really think a lot of DAN! docs prescribe way too many things which are bandaids in a lot of cases, instead of just removing or healing what needs to be healed. Just my opinion. > > Hi all > I recently let my son go a few days without supplements. He had missed > a weekend chelation round because of allergies/cold so I thought it > was a fair time to try going without. The result? He had the best day, > had more energy than I've seen in a long time. Today, I gave him all > his supps again and he was so lethargic all day. So, now what? He has > been fighting them lately, maybe he doesn't need them anymore? Should > I be cutting out the extras, like the mito supps? I'm wondering if I > should cut back to the essentials for minerals replacement and > flushing metals? > Kes > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 I found this same thing recently with my daughter. I stopped all of her biotin, cut down on magnesium (way down), stopped CLO and switched to Vit A fish oils a couple times a week and she is calmer and less irritated. She is doing much better without so many things and it's been over a week now. The only time I will increase her yeast meds is during chelation rounds, but I have also found that her yeast isn't a huge issue anymore during chelation and we have only done 13 rounds so far. I don think sometimes there are too many supps. I am focusing more on bacteria, parasites and liver now and the big thing being metals. My daughter doesn't even get B vits at the moment because I found they made her crazy, high pitched squealing and hyper. I do give her minerals though and enzymes. I really think a lot of DAN! docs prescribe way too many things which are bandaids in a lot of cases, instead of just removing or healing what needs to be healed. Just my opinion. > > Hi all > I recently let my son go a few days without supplements. He had missed > a weekend chelation round because of allergies/cold so I thought it > was a fair time to try going without. The result? He had the best day, > had more energy than I've seen in a long time. Today, I gave him all > his supps again and he was so lethargic all day. So, now what? He has > been fighting them lately, maybe he doesn't need them anymore? Should > I be cutting out the extras, like the mito supps? I'm wondering if I > should cut back to the essentials for minerals replacement and > flushing metals? > Kes > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Sorry that should read " I DO think sometimes there are too many supps. " > > > > Hi all > > I recently let my son go a few days without supplements. He had missed > > a weekend chelation round because of allergies/cold so I thought it > > was a fair time to try going without. The result? He had the best day, > > had more energy than I've seen in a long time. Today, I gave him all > > his supps again and he was so lethargic all day. So, now what? He has > > been fighting them lately, maybe he doesn't need them anymore? Should > > I be cutting out the extras, like the mito supps? I'm wondering if I > > should cut back to the essentials for minerals replacement and > > flushing metals? > > Kes > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Yep. Sometimes it is good to stop (or reduce), take a step back, and restart to see if anything that once was good (or neutral) is now causing a problem or simply unnecessary. We had that happen with TMG. It seemed to ramp up language when we first gave it. Used it for a year and then stopped for a year (chelating during this time, too). When we restarted it, TMG was a nightmare supplement! Seems the need was no longer there and it actually became a negative. Don't know all you are giving, but I agree that there can be such a thing as too many supplements. Pam > > > > Hi all > > I recently let my son go a few days without supplements. He had missed > > a weekend chelation round because of allergies/cold so I thought it > > was a fair time to try going without. The result? He had the best day, > > had more energy than I've seen in a long time. Today, I gave him all > > his supps again and he was so lethargic all day. So, now what? He has > > been fighting them lately, maybe he doesn't need them anymore? Should > > I be cutting out the extras, like the mito supps? I'm wondering if I > > should cut back to the essentials for minerals replacement and > > flushing metals? > > Kes > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 > I recently let my son go a few days without supplements. He had missed > a weekend chelation round because of allergies/cold so I thought it > was a fair time to try going without. The result? He had the best day, > had more energy than I've seen in a long time. Today, I gave him all > his supps again and he was so lethargic all day. So, now what? I did this several times, when it became apparent to me that my son no longer needed one or more of the supps I was giving. Wait a week, then add back one at a time, at about 1/4 the previous dose, see which ones he still needs and which ones he no longer needs. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Thanks everyone for your replies. He is on CLO magnesium calcium vitamin c vitamin e selenium liver life iodine adrenal extract candex molybdenum acetyl l carnitine ibedenodone colloidal gold zinc taurine He also gets epsom salt baths so he is being supplemented with magnesium that way. thanks guys! Kes > > It would be helpful, for people to comment, if you gave a complete > list of the supplements. > > >Hi all > >I recently let my son go a few days without supplements. He had missed > >a weekend chelation round because of allergies/cold so I thought it > >was a fair time to try going without. The result? He had the best day, > >had more energy than I've seen in a long time. Today, I gave him all > >his supps again and he was so lethargic all day. So, now what? He has > >been fighting them lately, maybe he doesn't need them anymore? Should > >I be cutting out the extras, like the mito supps? I'm wondering if I > >should cut back to the essentials for minerals replacement and > >flushing metals? > >Kes > > > > > > > -- > Ralph Nader on the need for moral courage: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 We occasionally took a break off of supplements for 2 days or even a week sometimes while he chelated. This was after a solid 6 months in. We also would run out of one thing and sometimes have to take a week or two to afford to replace it. This often told us what the supplement helped with. You could do the start all over thing where you add back one thing at a time again, every 2 or 3 days to see if there is anything he doesn't need anymore. We always dosed supplements on round though. I used muscle testing every week to determine what to put in the pill minder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 I did exactly what Dana did.(Thanks for all the great advice, Dana). I strongly recommend starting over every month or two. The only things that have been near constant for us are Vitamin C (in the form of Amla) and Cal-mag-D powder in the same capsule. I give this to my children in the morning with breakfast and I try to remember to give it with dinner too. I do give several other supplements before and during chelation cycles, I always try to make sure there is some reason or symptom I am giving them for though, not just because someone else is or because I heard it was " good " . It's all been a learning experience. Listen to your child's body. > > I recently let my son go a few days without supplements. He had missed > > a weekend chelation round because of allergies/cold so I thought it > > was a fair time to try going without. The result? He had the best day, > > had more energy than I've seen in a long time. Today, I gave him all > > his supps again and he was so lethargic all day. So, now what? > > > I did this several times, when it became apparent to me that my son no > longer needed one or more of the supps I was giving. > > Wait a week, then add back one at a time, at about 1/4 the previous > dose, see which ones he still needs and which ones he no longer needs. > > Dana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 There is definitely such a thing as too many. Think of how much the liver and kidneys need to process when they are taking all those capsules, many of which do have fillers, etc. When my eldest recently went onto a homeopathic, he was so annoyed at having to take so many supplements that we made a deal - a 3 day break during which he could take whatever supplement he felt like, and I'd observe how he was behaving. Somehow it was much better. He kept taking CLO, TMG/fol/B12 and probiotics, and dropped CoQ-10, carnitine, etc. The homeopathic was very effective for a couple weeks; we saw much better mood and energy. Now however I think he is needing something. We are going to focus on TCM for liver and " qi " support which is the most important I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 I think you are right about the amount of energy needed to process the supplements in the first place. we've been going to the hot springs almost every weekend so he may be getting so many minerals transdermally. So, given that we chelate with DMSA at 1/2 mg per lb... I'm thinking we have to keep zinc, selenium, vitamin c and magnesium on board. Would that be the bare minimum so I could start testing the rest of the supps? Sorry for the delay in getting back to this thread. My son turned 5 this weekend so it's been a bit hectic. Kes > > There is definitely such a thing as too many. Think of how much the liver and kidneys need > to process when they are taking all those capsules, many of which do have fillers, etc. When > my eldest recently went onto a homeopathic, he was so annoyed at having to take so many > supplements that we made a deal - a 3 day break during which he could take whatever > supplement he felt like, and I'd observe how he was behaving. Somehow it was much better. > He kept taking CLO, TMG/fol/B12 and probiotics, and dropped CoQ-10, carnitine, etc. The > homeopathic was very effective for a couple weeks; we saw much better mood and energy. > Now however I think he is needing something. We are going to focus on TCM for liver and > " qi " support which is the most important I think. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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