Re: Very high copper - what to do? - DANA/anyone

[Guest guest]

Irene,

How much zinc are you giving?

My son is about the same size as yours (35 lbs?) and we give 75mg/day

split into 5 doses. 3 doses are with food and other supps and the

other 2 doses are with his Candidase on an empty stomach (early

am/late pm). We initially gave zinc for high hair copper and the

copper came down. We had to increase the zinc to deal with chewing

problems. I've tried " forgetting " a dose or two/day of the zinc and

the chewing returns so we've settled at this dose for a while.

(Max's Mom)

>

> Our son's hair test shows very high copper, with copper all the way

to

> the end of the page, as high as you can go. (this is a follow up

hair

> test to one done 6 months ago, pre chelation, back then it was high

> but not in the red, and we were giving lots of high copper foods

then,

> which we stopped, so we were surprised by this new test) We are

giving

> zinc three times a day, and we added in molybdenum, also three

times a

> day, about 50 mg of this with each meal(he is 3 and 30 lbs) - is

this

> enough to combat copper? We also started Liver Life. Will this

help

> with copper? What else can we do? Is milk thistle necessary? Also,

> we are continuing with ALA chelation. He receives 3 mg per dose

along

> with 10 mg DMSA. Is it ok to continue with ALA while copper is so

> high? He seems okay with this low dose. Are there any things/

signs I

> should be looking for to tell us it is not ok?

>

> Our DAN! says that his copper could be high if we have copper pipes

> and shower him with water from these pipes. This may be, but

somehow,

> I felt this was too pat an answer, and I could not ignore the ultra

> high copper in his hair test.

>

> Would appreciate some advice. Thanks.

>

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

Are you by any chance supplementing calcium? I think, but can't

prove (and haven't hair tested again to try to establish), that

calcium caused my son's high hair copper. Copious amounts of zinc

and molybdenum (1000 mgs per day in divided doses of the latter)

didn't bring it down at all. But if I had to guess, pulling the

calcium out of his supplements has. I only did this when I couldn't

figure anything else to try and I read in Amalgam Illness that

calcium can cause copper retention. Anyways, just a thought.

As for chelating with ALA with high copper, Andy says you can do it

very, very gently, leaving enough time between rounds.

Anne

>

> Our son's hair test shows very high copper, with copper all the

way to

> the end of the page, as high as you can go. (this is a follow up

hair

> test to one done 6 months ago, pre chelation, back then it was high

> but not in the red, and we were giving lots of high copper foods

then,

> which we stopped, so we were surprised by this new test) We are

giving

> zinc three times a day, and we added in molybdenum, also three

times a

> day, about 50 mg of this with each meal(he is 3 and 30 lbs) - is

this

> enough to combat copper? We also started Liver Life. Will this

help

> with copper? What else can we do? Is milk thistle necessary?

Also,

> we are continuing with ALA chelation. He receives 3 mg per dose

along

> with 10 mg DMSA. Is it ok to continue with ALA while copper is so

> high? He seems okay with this low dose. Are there any things/

signs I

> should be looking for to tell us it is not ok?

>

> Our DAN! says that his copper could be high if we have copper pipes

> and shower him with water from these pipes. This may be, but

somehow,

> I felt this was too pat an answer, and I could not ignore the ultra

> high copper in his hair test.

>

> Would appreciate some advice. Thanks.

>

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

check the pfeiffer clinic website

william walsh is an expert in Cu and Zn/Cu ratio

we had high Cu in my first hair test (still posted in files)

experts told me to increase bile flow with milk thistle, glycine and

taurine, i think physphatidyl choline also helps sine Cu is excreted

by bile flow, so having it come out the hair is not so good

i also started Zn 45mg (15mg 3 x per day) for 45lb child, reccommended

dose is 20mg + 1mg per lb of kid and separate that total dose into 4

the biggie for lowering Cu is Molybdenum (Mo)

Andy says 10-30mg per 1 lb of kid we quickly moved up to 625mg per day

spread out into 3 doses. I say the yeast monster rear its ugle head so

i killed it with gse, probiotic, and whatever else i could fire at it

not a pretty sight but it worked. i reduce dose to 375mg and now back

up to 500mg and seeing very nice improvements

Cu toxcity can have similar symptoms as Hg - digestion issues, behavior

issues etc.

Also look to eliminate Cu - it is in a lot of stuff- they try to

suppliment you with the stuff every chance they get, i found it it soy

milk, power bar ( both of which were excellents sources of protein for

us) also found it in O's cereal

As far as water is concerned, if you have acid water and Cu pipes then

the Cu from the pipes and lead from the solder joints can get into the

water. i also read it can be a component in swimming pool and lake and

pond algeacide so dont drink it (i think my girl did)

andy said to put some tap water in a cup (dont run it first)just

straight from the tap then add ammonia if it turns blue you may have Cu

in the water otherwise not, we started bottled water anyhow

i also read that ALA inhibits Cu excretion so you may want to limit ala

rounds to 1 or 2 per month as i was told and work on lowering the Cu

i may know some more about this since it my latest project but i am

running out of steam let me know if you want more info i have some

other links to share

[Guest guest]

>

> check the pfeiffer clinic website

http://www.hriptc.org/metal_metabolism.html

> william walsh is an expert in Cu and Zn/Cu ratio

>

> we had high Cu in my first hair test (still posted in files)

>

> experts IN THIS GROUP told me to increase bile flow with milk

thistle, glycine and

> taurine, i think physphatidyl choline also helps sine Cu is

excreted

> by bile flow, so having it come out the hair is not so good

>

> i also started Zn 45mg (15mg 3 x per day) for 45lb child,

reccommended

> dose is 20mg + 1mg per lb of kid and separate that total dose into

4

>

> the biggie for lowering Cu is Molybdenum (Mo)

> Andy says 10-30mcg (UNITS ARE MCG) per 1 lb of kid we quickly moved

up to 625mcg per day

> spread out into 3 doses. I say the yeast monster rear its ugle head

so

> i killed it with gse, probiotic, and whatever else i could fire at

it

> not a pretty sight but it worked. i reduce dose to 375mcg and now

back

> up to 500mcg and seeing very nice improvements, i am starting to

see more normal behavior for my 4 yrar old ( we are not done by a

long shot but it feels like its getting better)

>

> Cu toxcity can have similar symptoms as Hg - digestion issues,

behavior

> issues etc.

>

> Also look to eliminate Cu - it is in a lot of stuff- they try to

> suppliment you with the stuff every chance they get, i found it it

soy

> milk, power bar ( both of which were excellents sources of protein

for

> us) also found it in O's cereal

>

> As far as water is concerned, if you have acid water and Cu pipes

then

> the Cu from the pipes and lead from the solder joints can get into

the

> water. i also read it can be a component in swimming pool and lake

and

> pond algeacide so dont drink it (i think my girl did)

> andy said to put some tap water in a cup (dont run it first)just

> straight from the tap then add ammonia if it turns blue you may

have Cu

> in the water otherwise not, we started bottled water anyhow

>

> i also read that ALA inhibits Cu excretion so you may want to limit

ala

> rounds to 1 or 2 per month as i was told and work on lowering the Cu

>

> i may know some more about this since it my latest project but i am

> running out of steam let me know if you want more info i have some

> other links to share

>