RE: Very high copper - what to do? - LAURA/SOPHIE

[Guest guest]

You both warn about ALA chelation with really high copper. We just started a 3

days on 4

days off schedule with ALA and DMSA. So far, our son seems okay. Again we use

only 3 mg

ALA, with 10 mg of DMSA, is this " gentle " enough chelation do you think in

Andy's book with

copper literally as high as it could go? We are going to up the molybdenum we

are giving only

50 mg per meal, I see it should be much higher, more like 300 mg per meal wit a

30 lb child.

Does molybdenum increase yeast? Also, we just bought some milk thistle. Can

this be given

with meals? I see you mention Sophie that glycine and taurine increase bile flow

and help

with copper excretion. I seem to recall that my son's neurotransmitter test

said he was high

in taurine. But if he was, would he have high copper, wouldn't his bile flow be

good in this

case? I remember Andy saying that this test is not that reliable. So I don't

know what to do

about the taurine.

Appreciate it if you could answer these questions, either or both of you.

Thanks. Irene

[Guest guest]

Irene,

sorry, not or Sophie, but maybe I can add a bit....

ala chelation would be something of a concern with high copper if you

were using ala only. It is ala only over time that can drive up

copper, by inhibiting excretion I beleive the book said.(don't quote

me here on the exact reasons..I have a head cold right now...so I'm a

bit foggy) You are using dmsa with the ala. So this is not likely to

drive up the copper. At least not according to what I read in Amalgam

Illness on ala and copper. So I'd continue with dmsa/ala.

Ultimately, it's going to be chelation that corrects the copper

anyway, since mercury has driven it up. Many people just do dmsa only

for a long while in the presence of copper, but careful reading says

it's the ala only that can be a problem.. You're ala dose seems very

reasonable in this case and it is given with a higher dose of dmsa.

The molybdenum sounds fine (check files for dose by weight but I don't

think you'd go much higher in someone that size).

If not already give zinc, his weight plus 20 mg. Both will help

correct the copper too.

Milk thistle can be given any time. It will help the liver and it

should be given with chelation.

Avoid high copper foods like nuts, chocolate for now.

Molybdenum did not increase or decrease yeast here. As far as I know,

it should have no effect on yeast levels. It did eliminate copper

symptoms in myself.

Taurine we use, but we began it for a different reason. It is calming.

Can't advise about the test, we did not do that one for the reasons

you said. If you used glycine, it'd be good for digestion, gut healing

etc. It's best to choose one thing at a time, if you feel that the

child may need it.

Definitely the milk thistle though.

>

> You both warn about ALA chelation with really high copper. We just

started a 3 days on 4

> days off schedule with ALA and DMSA. So far, our son seems okay.

Again we use only 3 mg

> ALA, with 10 mg of DMSA, is this " gentle " enough chelation do you

think in Andy's book with

> copper literally as high as it could go? We are going to up the

molybdenum we are giving only

> 50 mg per meal, I see it should be much higher, more like 300 mg per

meal wit a 30 lb child.

> Does molybdenum increase yeast? Also, we just bought some milk

thistle. Can this be given

> with meals? I see you mention Sophie that glycine and taurine

increase bile flow and help

> with copper excretion. I seem to recall that my son's

neurotransmitter test said he was high

> in taurine. But if he was, would he have high copper, wouldn't his

bile flow be good in this

> case? I remember Andy saying that this test is not that reliable.

So I don't know what to do

> about the taurine.

>

> Appreciate it if you could answer these questions, either or both of

you.

>

> Thanks. Irene

>

[Guest guest]

Irene,

i only added the milk thistle (not taurine or glycine yet)

here is what i am doing to lower Cu :

with breakfast - milk thistle 140mg 80% silymarin, 15mg Zn, 125mcg Mo

Vitamin C at least 500mg buffered powder

lunch - milk thistle 140mg 80% silymarin, 15mg Zn, 125mcg Mo

Vitamin C at least 500mg buffered powder

dinner - milk thistle 140mg 80% silymarin, 15mg Zn, 125mcg Mo

Vitamin C at least 500mg buffered powder

sometimes another 125mcg Mo dose inbetween lunch and dinner

i did see a yeast flair when i was giving 625mcg of Mo per day

in my reading i saw that Cu excretion, as a result of the protocol, can

produce more symptoms and also kick up yeast, and i did see this when

she appeared to be dumping Cu, i also saw more sterotypical symptoms

but im not sure if this was from the dumping or the yeast. dark circles

under the eyes, ring around the anus seems to indicate yeast for us

i am still in the learning phase and trying my best to keep on top of

the yeast monkeys

one thing anydy told me i will remember forever :

***** CLINICAL RESPONSE *****

to me this means that the behavior of the patient as a result of the

protocol takes presidence over anything written or spoken. if the kid

is showing improvement eventhough there may be more symptoms then the

protocol is likely working.

like i said last night i am seeing more normal behavior since starting

the Mo and eliminating Cu sources.

ask andy about ALA, i think he wrote if Cu is under 75 on the hair test

from ddi to limit ALA to 1 or 2 times per month, he is being

conservative and i believe if you add the Cu lowering protocol it

should help.

i think if i can keep it under control i will start dmsa and then add

ALA sometime soon after jan 1.

from my experience if you eliminate Cu sources and do the Mo you can

see results within 2-4 weeks. from my reading it says it can take or 1-

3 months.

-sophie